Peeping Through a Polarizerby
labudsComment: orussell
Canon EOS-300D Rebel 04/19/2004 02:11:07 PM
Well at least show us some decency and produce the original so we can tear to shreds. ;)
bestagents
FujiFilm FinePix S602Z 04/19/2004 01:29:11 PM
Great pic. This in teh 21st century, not the 18th. Digital editing is here to stay, another tool for the photographer.
Konador
Canon EOS-300D Rebel 04/19/2004 01:01:35 PM
Originally posted by Nazgul:
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Originally posted by Quickshutter:
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I believe that the actual photograph was one image, or it would have been dq'd as soon as the origional image was submited. I think it would be a good idea for Labuda to give a full documentation of how this photograph was created. (hint)
How in the world do you think it is possible that this is just one image???
It is one image, trust me, I've seen the original.
eikidigi
Canon EOS-10D 04/19/2004 12:32:08 PM
Use the Forum!!!!
stickylizard
Nikon Coolpix 3100 04/19/2004 11:58:06 AM
I still don't understand why this hasn't been DQed.
Nazgul
Canon EOS-10D 04/19/2004 10:26:05 AM
Originally posted by Quickshutter:
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I believe that the actual photograph was one image, or it would have been dq'd as soon as the origional image was submited. I think it would be a good idea for Labuda to give a full documentation of how this photograph was created. (hint)
How in the world do you think it is possible that this is just one image???
Quickshutter
Olympus C-750UZ 04/19/2004 10:11:19 AM
I believe that the actual photograph was one image, or it would have been dq'd as soon as the origional image was submited. I think it would be a good idea for Labuda to give a full documentation of how this photograph was created. (hint)
Kneeforu
Nikon D100 04/19/2004 08:41:55 AM
I thought advanced editing could still only use 1 photo. This to me clearly is two photos, which should be DQ'd.
dodee
Sony DSC-S85 04/19/2004 08:07:56 AM
I've found that I've taken something of a backwards route (at least from the norm here), having become more than proficient at Photoshop (8+ years experience) THEN taking an interest in photography because of that experience. That being said, I've sought this type of site out purely to improve my *photographic* skills, not those pertaining to *Photoshop*. While this entry is valid according to the current rule set, it points out glaring vagueness that should be addressed. There are clearly at least 3 separate photographs in this entry, probably 4 (hand holding polarizing filter, window grill, woman on couch, landscape/sky), and numerous layers to arrive at the final result.
If people insist on submitting this type of entry, I think there should be a separate contest for them. Otherwise, the only way to weed out this type of submission is to clarify the rules to specify that "using Photoshop to make the best picture it can be" means making ONE picture the best it can be, not elements of however many you choose.
I commend labuda's efforts and skills in Photoshop, but this is (at least in my understanding) a photography site/contest. I have the basic membership, which allows me only enter "lightly" edited photos. It wasn't the $2/month which deterred me from choosing the higher end membership, but my wanting to limit myself to actual photography to help myself get better at it. To those of you who HAVE the pay membership and are against this type of submission, my suggestion is a sort of civil disobedience. Simply cancel your pay membership until the rules have been amended to bring back the original intent of the contests.
Anyway, "hello" to everyone as this is my first posting here, and I look forward to everyone's constructive criticism for my future (and minimally edited) submissions.
Edit- the edit was for grammar/spelling*
Edit- having re-read the rules for "advanced editing," this submission should have immediately been disqualified based on the "single photo" rule. Two fold, actually. Not only is this clearly not one photograph, but I have my sneaking suspicions that the source photo for the woman was not the entrant's own. Should that not be the case, my apologies in advance. I also apologize for my comment regarding rule clarification, as they actually ARE clear. I guess the problem is lack of enforcement of them? In that case, I adjust my civil disobedience suggestion to be "Simply cancel your pay membership until the rules are enforced appropraitely to bring back the original intent of the contests."
Message edited by author 2004-04-19 08:25:23.
Beagleboy
FujiFilm FinePix S602Z 04/19/2004 07:18:45 AM
I think things are getting out of hand here. I'm surprised that this shot scored so high since it doesn't even "feel" like a photo.
Heck, I'd be ready to give back my one and only ribbon (which was received in part through PS, but not at this intensity) if it could help return emphasis back to the photography side of things instead of the editing freakshow we've seen lately. For the greater good...
EDIT
Oh yeah, and I find that you should post your workflow in your comments when submitting such images with heavy editing. Not so that we can copy you, but just to give us an idea on how much editing was really involved.
Message edited by author 2004-04-19 07:24:05.
laurielblack
Sony DSC-P32 04/19/2004 06:21:50 AM
This makes novices like myself want to pack it up and never take another picture because, well, what's the point? We can't compete with your expensive digital trickery, so why even bother? I don't feel bad for the midrange vote I gave your picture because even my untrained eye knew something was up with this one.
Rasai
Nikon D1X 04/19/2004 05:43:20 AM
Aleks,
I achieved one of my goals with my "Window" entry. To submit a photo that people doubt as being 'real' & knowing that if it were recommended for disqualification it would be validated as such, even if the basic editing rules were in place for this challenge. It's a shame it wasn't recommended for DQ within the first few minutes, as the score tended to go up from the point in time it was validated. I'll bet I feel better about my score than you do/did. What are you trying to prove, to whom? Am I missing something?
Nazgul
Canon EOS-10D 04/19/2004 05:17:51 AM
This should be DQ´d.
If this is photography I´m going away with kiwi to become a monk!
jailbird
Canon EOS-300D Rebel 04/19/2004 04:13:27 AM
waaaaaaaaay out of brief and much more over rated
[no offence but is this a photography site or what???
e301
Nikon Coolpix 5400 04/19/2004 04:01:21 AM
Congrats Aleks - we seem to have trodden a very fine line. Right now, I'm afraid neither of our images will be allowed to stand, however. I suggest Print Screen on the front page while you can :-)
Ed
pitsaman
Canon EOS-300D Rebel 04/19/2004 03:31:39 AM
Here says location"my bedroom"?
The red roofs on those houses look like a post card from Italy or Spain,Montreal homes are using shingles,not red bricks!And the greenery,kind of too early for Canada?
The whole photo looks fake and if it realy is you should be banned from the site!
coolhar
Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS 04/19/2004 03:13:51 AM
How can you defend taking down the details you had put in Photographer's Comments? That's tantamount to an admission of guilt.
TooCool
Canon EOS-300D Rebel 04/19/2004 02:52:42 AM
Once again, you fooled everyone. Hope you feel good as good about yourself as I do when I get up in the morning...
TC
Message edited by author 2004-04-19 02:54:06.
nborton
Canon EOS-10D 04/19/2004 02:43:18 AM
i can only imagine the PMs that you are receiving. at least you can get some credit as the person who not only manipulated his photos, but also a possible adjustment of the rules or direction of the site.
i for one feel it's a good thing you submitted that past few shots to show some loop holes in the rules that need to be thought out and changed if the site wants to truely be about photography first.
agwright
Canon EOS-10D 04/19/2004 02:34:01 AM
Love to know how you done this Aleks , Congratulations on your ribbon
cbeller
Nikon D70 04/19/2004 01:36:33 AM
I'm curious as to why you removed the details of how you created this shot from your Photographer's Comments.
K-Rob
FujiFilm FinePix S602Z 04/19/2004 12:57:04 AM
I figured that the nature of this picture would cause some discussion. Although it's a fantastic image overall, not sure if it will remain here or not. And as it turns out the 1st place image might have the same problem. As Rooster said, Good Luck!
Sonifo
Canon EOS-300D Rebel 04/19/2004 12:44:38 AM
I don't think this is fair. Sorry but it doesn't deserve a ribbon when you take a picture of another picture.
Creative but just not fair.
Rooster
Canon EOS-300D Rebel 04/19/2004 12:31:03 AM
I knew this one was yours Aleks. Dunno if it will stand up to scurtiny tho. Good luck my friend!
Congrats on your first 2nd place ribbon!
Comments Made During the Challenge
lnede
Olympus E-20P 04/18/2004 10:15:49 PM
Very original. One of my favorites. Love the colors.
banmorn
FujiFilm FinePix S602Z 04/18/2004 08:45:46 PM
I keep wondering about this one....it is so very well done, but yet I keep wondering. SO, rather than wonder, I'll say it is damn fine and should be at the top of the heap. 10....OK so I'm still wondering a little. I'll wait!
shutterfly
Nikon Coolpix 5700 04/18/2004 04:32:24 PM
Very cool!
peecee
FujiFilm FinePix S602Z 04/18/2004 01:43:29 PM
If I could fault this at all it would be the hand looks slightly over processed and false.
But what a super image and a ribbon I feel. 9
obstetrify
Olympus C-300Z 04/17/2004 05:13:53 PM
Very ingenious. Quite surreal
Mad-D
Nikon D70 04/17/2004 04:38:46 PM
This is a great photo, but there seems to bee way too much potoshop work for my taste. Anyway a fantastic idea, very professional. Give it a 9
DarthJamo
Canon EOS-10D 04/17/2004 09:35:37 AM
Very, very cool. This looks like it was a bear to complete in Photoshop. The theme is perfect for this shot. I wouldn't be suprised if you win. There are 8 that I have voted as my favorite and this is one of them. This is definately a sold 9.
alvaro
Canon EOS-300D Rebel 04/17/2004 06:27:03 AM
Brooklyn513
Minolta DiMAGE A1 04/16/2004 03:49:38 PM
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Message edited by author 2004-04-19 06:31:58.
neilmwilson
Canon EOS-300D Rebel 04/16/2004 09:21:24 AM
great idea
flawlwss exucution
got my blue ribbon
hope you tell us how
undieyatch
Olympus E-10 04/16/2004 12:57:18 AM
imaginative...... use of the filter closely resembles ps7 logo....... I want my ps to open with this.
RedHotKK
Epson PhotoPC 750Z 04/15/2004 11:02:03 PM
This is truly amazing.
GinaRothfels
Olympus C-2100UZ 04/15/2004 09:10:24 PM
Excellent shot.
DJLuba
Nikon D100 04/15/2004 11:15:00 AM
Brilliant. This should ribbon.
BobsterLobster
Panasonic DMC-FZ10 04/15/2004 10:02:22 AM
Superb picture in every way. Inspired idea. Wonderfully executed. Great model. Good clarity and saturation. Composition works well. I'd love more details about how you did this. Should become one of DPC's favourite pictures. 10
geewhy
FujiFilm FinePix S602Z 04/15/2004 08:20:52 AM
A lot of brainpower went into this one..tremendous stuff.
Given that everything else is sharp..The soft focus on the hand is the only slight drawback for me on what is otherwise a superb image and probable winner.
Koriyama
Nikon D70 04/15/2004 08:17:29 AM
What a marvelous idea. 10
bill_hk2002
FujiFilm FinePix S2 Pro 04/15/2004 07:47:23 AM
This looks overprocessed to me. On this monitor, the hand and the model look like they were rendered. Apologies if that is not the case.
Rasai
Nikon D1X 04/15/2004 05:49:04 AM
Looks like you'll do well in a digital art career!
Typo/spelling corected.
Message edited by author 2004-04-19 05:28:21.
bigjvoltage
Minolta DiMAGE Xt 04/14/2004 07:10:39 PM
really nice shot
nottogood
Sony DSC-F717 04/14/2004 06:29:34 PM
hott
soup
Canon EOS-300D Rebel 04/14/2004 06:18:19 PM
this is definately a piece of work.
having a hrad time not thinking its been heavily manipulated.
good luck
egillibsen
Konica KD-400Z 04/14/2004 03:37:50 PM
I like this one a lot. Neat PS work :-) Would have liked to see the face though. Nice job.
carlacryptic
Nikon Coolpix 8700 04/14/2004 01:39:23 PM
That made me smile - thanks. :) - 8
caba
FujiFilm FinePix S2 Pro 04/14/2004 12:38:45 PM
Most creative piece on this challenge, you should win in my book.
willem
Sony DSC-F707 04/14/2004 06:45:40 AM
Assuming you have done this within the rules, it is a clever picture. However, I don't like it, if feels very artificial. The background , the window and the hand with polariser are all in focus, which gives it an artifical feeling in my opinion. I also don't see why the landscape is in here. Why not just the woman on the couch with the blue sky around it ?
Olyuzi
Olympus C-2100UZ 04/14/2004 12:43:17 AM
This is an absolutely astonishing image! What a great idea! I love how the clouds intermingle with your model's (W?) body. Her posture within the polarizer is excellent as well. Color is so vivid and composition is impeccable. The distored view of the landscape below adds yet another wonderful dimension to this feature rich picture. Very surreal and real all at the same time. Astounding how good this image is...I wish I could give it more than a 10.
JasonPR
FujiFilm FinePix S602Z 04/13/2004 10:45:43 PM
If you achieved this legally (and I don't mean in some sneaky rule skirting manner) then my hats off to you! This is a great idea and good execution although it does look quite contrived. Still a 10 from me.
omnibus
Olympus C-700UZ 04/13/2004 10:15:52 PM
Great idea and photo
kevrobertson
Minolta DiMAGE E223 04/13/2004 07:51:08 PM
gotta be the winner
Influential_Eyes
Sony DSC-F707 04/13/2004 05:54:52 PM
This is very nice, great subject ;) !
brownt
Canon EOS-300D Rebel 04/13/2004 03:41:11 PM
Beautiful!!! I think this is a great shot for this challenge!! You've captured the colours so well, I like the red of her shoes, it stands out well, the idea of the polariser looking through is so good!! The only little nitpick is the amout of light on the hand and the right hand side of the window frame, it's a little too much. Very well done though, full marks!
ChrisW123
FujiFilm FinePix S602Z 04/13/2004 02:54:40 AM
Looks heavily PS minipulated, but cool anyway. :) You should have toned down the hand color a little (make it darker). As it is, it steals your eye from the subject a little.
tomzinho
Canon PowerShot S30 04/13/2004 01:11:35 AM
i think i need to come and check out your windows!
Katspetkat
HP PhotoSmart 735 04/13/2004 12:37:50 AM
I hope you have an explanation for this one. I love it, and I would love how to do that. Very cool effect.
Digital Quixote
Nikon D70 04/12/2004 11:18:05 PM
Stunning idea, well executed in a photo. Superb lighting. Well rendered reflection. Sorry to say I think you missed the full potential of the photo by bypassing the nude catagory.
torrenzano
Nikon D100 04/12/2004 11:03:03 PM
my favorite. to me windows are about a way of seeing...9
ddmckinney1954
Canon EOS-300D Rebel 04/12/2004 10:28:59 PM
very creative
nborton
Canon EOS-10D 04/12/2004 09:43:19 PM
one of the most creative shots i've seen on here in a while. very nice job.
micknewton
Canon EOS-10D 04/12/2004 09:26:26 PM
There appears to be a greenish halo around the hand, and the window frame seems a bit green also. Otherwise it's a nice photo.
Tranquil
Olympus C-5050Z 04/12/2004 08:54:14 PM
You creep! :) Very unique and inventive. I love how she is almost floating ona cloud...Great shot here hope it does well!
laurielblack
Sony DSC-P32 04/12/2004 08:02:38 PM
Almost too surreal to be, well, real.
the-O-ster
Nikon D70 04/12/2004 07:38:03 PM
pretty amazing...?
Marjo
Sony DSC-F717 04/12/2004 07:03:28 PM
Very creative! Excellent capture.
sfalice
Canon EOS-300D Rebel 04/12/2004 03:52:28 PM
Dali and perhaps even Magritte would be pleased with this one. Nicely done.
dixonp1
Canon EOS-300D Rebel 04/12/2004 03:35:34 PM
Very Cool !
Everyday Renee
Sony DSC-F717 04/12/2004 03:03:57 PM
That's pretty incredible. You did an outstanding job here. WOW.
justine
Canon EOS-300D Rebel 04/12/2004 01:33:30 PM
I love the creativity here. Good job, good luck. My only negative remark is the hand looks a bit un-natural...
orussell
Canon EOS-300D Rebel 04/12/2004 11:56:36 AM
Very clever take on the challenge. Almost looks like a composite but I can see it being done in-camera. My highest vote so far.
lockjawdavis
FujiFilm FinePix 3800 04/12/2004 11:21:53 AM
Reminds me of an 80s album cover
scottwilson
Sony DSC-F828 04/12/2004 11:09:05 AM
Good idea and very well done..8
hughletheren
Canon EOS-300D Rebel 04/12/2004 07:25:12 AM
This is a brilliant idea, very well executed - congtratulations.
rll07
Canon EOS-D60 04/12/2004 01:49:42 AM
awesome !! 10
K-Rob
FujiFilm FinePix S602Z 04/12/2004 12:39:54 AM
Wow, that some extreme editing. i'm not even sure what part is the actualy photograph. Is that a good thing or a bad thing........dunno yet.
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