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Challenge: Painting with Light (Advanced Editing I)
Camera: Nikon D100
Location: At Home
Date: Jan 25, 2004
Aperture: 10.0
ISO: 200
Shutter: 1/300
Galleries: Black and White
Date Uploaded: Jan 26, 2004

A shot of a Family while the sun was going down

Statistics
Place: 46 out of 120
Avg (all users): 5.5156
Avg (commenters): 5.2500
Avg (participants): 5.0741
Avg (non-participants): 5.8378
Views since voting: 1801
Votes: 192
Comments: 13
Favorites: 1 (view)


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 Comments Made During the Challenge
01/30/2004 05:53:23 AM
Like it... Very "clean" photo with regards to the other contestants, where most of them choose one or several bright colours to illustrate the point...
... The only thing that disturbs the picture is the thing that the child holds in his or hers hand? Distracts me into trying to figure out what it is,,, Is it the camera?

KOB
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01/30/2004 03:45:40 AM
Interesting idea! would like to see her full face in sihouette, bright spot on center (camera?) detracts from three figures
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01/29/2004 11:38:44 PM
I dont know how to vote on this subject but I think this is super I like the image and the imagination here well done
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01/28/2004 09:13:33 PM
Too much in the frame, thought i do not mind the frame. THere is a little bit of something metaillic looking , could that be a ring, pardner? are you getting hitched by a minute justice of the peace... hmmmm. works a bit but just too tight. hope the ring is not.
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01/28/2004 04:30:05 AM
Great cropping. The hats are great.
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01/27/2004 11:30:12 PM
One of the most interesting silhouettes I have seen for some tim - particularly managing to get the hint of light in the central reflection but I am copying in some text that I have also sent to some of the other entries.
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I would like to explain a little more my reasons for reducing the score on this entry. That way even if you disagree/agree, you will understand my rationale.

Firstly, -
I have been lucky for the last 25 years of my 30 in photography to have been able to judge (I dread to think) many hundred competitions for local photographic societies, magazines, industry and professional photographic organisations some with very considerable prizemoney/professional awards/photographic qualifications. The method I and other judges are enforced to use is the method I continue to use. This has its limitations. Normally with a competition it would be that you were looking at a print or slide. That makes a huge difference. In many competitions the opportunity is there to see (handwritten) exposure times, details, technique etc. That also helps.The DPchallenge forum is the first time I have judged photographs on-line. There are many problems with this. Different monitor calibrations being possibly the most problematical. Lower resolution of photographs remove some of the subtlety and nuance of a picture which may be apparent in a print. This results in having to make a "what you see is what you get" judgement. Not ideal in any way.

Normally in competitions, many hundreds of photographs are placed in front of you and you have only 2 or 3 seconds to eliminate the first batch it is important that it "appears" to fit the criteria. This is the sticking point. You may have used the correct method/technique and the picture could be 100% but if in that 2/3 seconds it did not "appear" to be painted with light - thats where the rejection comes. Very unfair I know, but can you see where I am coming from?

Having to check techniques where there was ambiguity would make the task impossible.
I also think it fair to say that in an educational setting - when teaching photographic technique - "painting with light" does still have a very narrow definition. That is not to say that the end photograph has to look like it has been "PWL". The end result could, if that is the required end, still look ordinary. Interiors are a classic example. In order to get sufficent illumination of a large auditorium for example, painting with light would almost certainly be used but you would not want the end result to look as if it had been "PWL". That picture could therefore be a classic example of "PWL" but in a competition could be about as much use as a chocolate tea-pot!

The problem with this sort of competition is that two people could submit almost identical photographs, Both beautiful, both appearing to be lit in the same way - One may have thought of "PWL" in the photographic sense (moving light or built up light source) the second thinking of "PWL" in the artistic sense - (a beautiful picture simply using light to make an object the image) - How do you judge these? Do you see my difficulty - It is almost a case of asking you "Please don't do it so well so I can see how you did it!"

I do hope I have been able to put my point of view across and that I have not been misunderstood.
Text is difficult to write without sometimes it being read in a harsh way when in fact had the words been spoken, it would have been interpreted in the way it was meant.

David
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01/27/2004 10:43:42 AM
One of the top three pictures in this contest
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01/26/2004 12:50:14 PM
I Iike the hats - I wish the one in the middle didn't overlap with the woman's face - I'd like to see her full silhouette. I don't detect a moving light - I think the picture is better without it, but I have to bring it up 'cause that is the competition.
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01/26/2004 08:06:26 AM
interesting how there is emotion in this image even though you cannot see their faces. great silouette!
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01/26/2004 07:57:22 AM
Something appears to be happening in the middle of this shot, but I'm not sure what. I'd lose the kid and concentrate on the couple next go 'round. Nice tones in the B & W.
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01/26/2004 01:02:06 AM
I feel that one thing is missing:
The use a non-stationary light source as the primary method of illuminating your subject in a creative manner.
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01/25/2004 07:27:20 PM
Where's the non-stationary light source??
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01/25/2004 07:14:44 PM
I'm not sure what that is between the 2 people, but I wish it wasn't there. It's really getting in the way of the story of the shot, I think.

Message edited by author 2004-03-13 16:43:51.
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