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07/01/2002 01:00:01 PM · #1 |
Let's discuss this photograph. We need to talk about some photos after the challenge is over.
I LOVE this photo. it's a GREAT execution and the photographer is RIGHT ON!
I must be incredibly stupid because I don't see the 'city life' in this photo at all. I read the photographer's comment and details. The title of the photo does allow for some creative interpretation, however.
This photo scored 10th position in the challenge and lots of comments ont the photo mention not meeting the challenge and being weak on the challenge...
I believe that this is an excellent example of how an incredible photograph will do well, regardless of the challenge topic?????
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07/01/2002 01:06:12 PM · #2 |
I was happy to see that this was not brought down because of lack if imagination on the viewers part.
I got from the title what the photo was supposed to be, but it did not really work for me. The shadow did not look menacing to me.
It was very creative though.
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07/01/2002 01:07:23 PM · #3 |
I didn't get the "city life" part of this at first either - probably because I live in a pretty safe place and paranoia doesn't enter my thoughts as part of city life.
however - I do admit that I changed my vote on this after several people commented in a forum about how they liked the shot as describing life in the city. It opened me to think of the shot in a different way and then I felt I understood it more.
I'd love to know more about how it was done. |
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07/01/2002 01:08:26 PM · #4 |
| I agree with you completely. It's a phenomenal image..i originally scored it a 9, but after returning to it i couldn't see the relation to city life and re-scored it a 6. |
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07/01/2002 01:09:54 PM · #5 |
i think it's a phenomenal photo and the execution part of it is not that complex.. it just takes a little time and patience for a shot like that to work out. After reading everything i have read about the photo, I can make the connection to city life. i could not make that connection on my own just by looking at the photo.
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07/01/2002 01:14:17 PM · #6 |
Yes. :-)
Wait a minute...that's too short a reply for me.:-P
Paranoia is a great photo, was one of my top 10 and does not "clearly" meet the challenge. I liked it because it said to me that lots of folks in the city are paranoid...scared or things.
My wife gets on me all the time for not locking the car doors all the time or locking our house if I am just running down to the quick-mart for a minute. In my little 'burg I just don't feel that threatened or "Paranoia".
I don't see where fireworks are all about city life but I loved that photo and it was my favorite.
BTW, my photo was a little bit "open ended" too. But the photo wasn't just about injectable drugs or drug addiction in the city. the photo has some connection with a book I read in college and a passage from it went "The city had a pulse, a rythm like a heartbeat and the streets were the arteries carrying it's lifeblood around and around."
Thats a paraphrase but I recalled it immediatley when I saw the challenge topic City Life and thought ..hmmm...city life...arteries...photography..colors...you get the idea :-) |
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07/01/2002 01:37:35 PM · #7 |
I'm afraid my photo failed to reach the viewers due to geographical differences. "Tranquility in the City" was a look at the more quiet side of life. One comment mentioned that their was no City. But any English Viewer would tell you that without a Cathedral(in England) a City cannot be called a City. I will have to re-thinkmy photos in future and try to capture something that will relate more towards the American Market. You live and learn :-)
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07/01/2002 01:59:31 PM · #8 |
Olya is an awesome photograhper and a nice person to talk to :) Her photos are always great :)
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07/01/2002 03:02:02 PM · #9 |
I admit that I also didn't get the connection to "city life" in the first place. But after reading the details I understand now and wish I would have scored it better (I gave a 7). It shows a lot of creativity!
I know it's not the right place but I once again vote for showing the photo details during the challenge. This would give the photographer more room to explain him/herself. For me it just doesn't make sense that a wonderful photo like "Paranoia" isn't rated as high as it deserves. This means that the more straightforward photos are potentially higher rated than the ones which have a little twist and thus are less boring. |
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07/01/2002 03:52:31 PM · #10 |
Having once lived on the poorer side of Chicago, I emediatelly identified with the image. Actually the fear is not immaginary. I was actually sitting with someone on a train when her necklass was snatched. More than once a pick pocket jumped from the very crowded bus then turned and laughed at us as the bus continued on. There were routs and times you simply did not travel.
I think the problem people are having is that they do not recognize when an image is a symbol of something intangible. This next challenge is going to be very difficult. |
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07/01/2002 04:22:27 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by aelith:
Having once lived on the poorer side of Chicago, I emediatelly identified with the image. Actually the fear is not immaginary. I was actually sitting with someone on a train when her necklass was snatched. More than once a pick pocket jumped from the very crowded bus then turned and laughed at us as the bus continued on. There were routs and times you simply did not travel.
I think the problem people are having is that they do not recognize when an image is a symbol of something intangible. This next challenge is going to be very difficult.
Yes, this may be so, but without the title it is just 'One Big Eye' well done. I agree with the jimster. However, the consensus today may be that a title can make the photo and that the challenge topic is meaningless as long as the picture is good.
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07/01/2002 04:32:41 PM · #12 |
| I conceed the point. The title told it all. aelith |
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07/01/2002 08:36:50 PM · #13 |
First, if we are gonna do this for another photo, make sure the first poster links to the picture.
My comment on this photo was "Without your title I wouldn't be able to figure out how this fits the challenge. WIthout the challenge, I would think this is a great photo. "
My first sentence is true to the core. I had no idea what the hell I was looking at an eyeball until I read the title. Once I saw the title I knew what the photographer meant immediately. My second sentence is misleading. I actually did like this for the challenge and scored it an 8 (I'm a conservative grader so there is rarely more than 6 picutures within 8-10).
When I'm anywhere, I always try to stay completely aware of my surroundings. If I see anyong behind me I'm always looking in a shop window to see if that person is still there. If I'm with a woman I'll always keep her in front of me and I'll usually stand on the side she's wearing her hand bag. I'm very paranoid, so that picture worked really well for me.
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07/01/2002 08:55:54 PM · #14 |
I do not know what is wrong with 10th place, it seems that people did not really vote it down much for not meeting the challenge. Vote wise, I think it got the respect it deserved. I would be quite happy with 10th.
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07/01/2002 08:59:49 PM · #15 |
Just a thought...
I forget the exact wording of the challenge, but each of the challenges seem to be worded intentionally vague.
For instance, Transparent was "Take a shot of anything that's semi-transparent. Play with distortion and colors in objects like cups, eye glasses, stained glass. Be creative, and good luck."
Fear is : "'This one might take a little more thought. Photograph your best interpretation of 'Fear' in any shape or form."
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but the challenges themselves seem to request that we use a VERY liberal, creative interputation of the challenge. I've begun to think some folks are a bit too judgemental concerning the artistic interputation of others.
That being said, Paranoia spoke volumes to me about city life. I thought the challenge was nailed. Some photos are questionable (imo) while others leave me totally befuddled. I try to give the artist the benefit of the doubt and will only take off 1 or possible 2 points if I don't get it.
Just because we don't get something doesn't mean there isn't something to get.
Qyl
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07/01/2002 11:09:19 PM · #16 |
The photo just clicked with me immediately, even in the thumbnail. I lived in Sydney for a long time, which is a city of 3 million people, when I was going to Uni there. One night I was on a bus going to see my boyfriend when a guy who was high on acid and already bleeding from smashing a window at some bar (he was bragging about that) started a fight with another guy on the bus. I got elbowed in the head at one point. The driver stopped the bus, and managed to get the guy to leave, but as he was walking away he turned, looked directly at me watching him leave, and ran back and punched in the window next to my head! I ducked and ended up with shattered safety glass all over my back, in my hair, in my ears, and all through my General Relativity text book. I had my GR exam the next morning!
It's easy for me to connect paranoia with city life. I never feel completely safe in a city. Sometimes that can be a kind of high, even exhilirating, but other times it's just really terrifying. It's really the essence of city life for me, which I guess is why you can see that aspect in my photo too - a lot of people commented on it being spooky.
"Kicking Back" caught the other side of city life for me... something I can't quite explain, but there's a feeling of community in small pockets of subcultures in cities that just doesn't exist in small towns, where people who are different are isolated. I think it's just the hint of tattoo on the laughing woman's leg, and the comfort and happiness in that photo that says that to me. So... hmmm... I don't know what I was saying, but I gave them both 10s and those are the reasons why :) |
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07/02/2002 04:06:04 AM · #17 |
I am sure there are several photos that go over my head here since I am new to photography - but if you don't understand the shot how are you supposed to rate it? I do understand that I am probably missing the point and will let the person know that in my comments (there is one in the current challenge that comes to mind). But my voting will reflect that with a lower score. I can't just assume that if I don't "get it" it must be good.
Tina
Originally posted by myqyl:
Just a thought...
Just because we don't get something doesn't mean there isn't something to get.
Qyl
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07/02/2002 05:46:09 AM · #18 |
I think this whole "anti-title" thing is getting out of hand. If a title is required to let the viewer know what's going on in the photographer's head, so be it. It's all part of the "art". I think we need to really calm down on the "this photo only meets the challenge because of the topic" crap. It's severely limiting our creativity.
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07/02/2002 06:58:14 AM · #19 |
mci....you hit the nail on the head.
This is a photography site and not chemistry 101 where every formulation has to be exact.
I tell you honestly. When I read comments on photos that really attack something I read "hostility". A strange thing to feel coming from folks looking and voting but it's true. Where that is coming from..I can't say.
The most negative thing I ever feel is nothing. I can't say I have ever looked at a photo and then the title and said..even in my head.."Well, if it wasn't for the title it would never meet the challenge...grrrr".
A title is part of any art. Sculpture, painting, photo. It's part of the artists vision. Just go with it. Enjoy it. But all the anger is really strange :-/ |
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07/02/2002 07:19:39 AM · #20 |
tjuneau13
I can't just assume that if I don't "get it" it must be good.
Mine is living proof of this right now. I am getting battered about the title not fitting. It is being described in the comments as having been created totally wrong - I feel I am loosing points because they don't understand how it was done. (I checked the little box that said I followed the rules) but...... I am at the mercy of the masses. (I still like it). |
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07/02/2002 07:40:50 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by hokie:
A title is part of any art. Sculpture, painting, photo. It's part of the artists vision. Just go with it. Enjoy it. But all the anger is really strange :-/
I've been thinking about this "fear" challenge and how titles are going to play into it. I think this is going to be a very different challenge for everyone. Fear is not a tangible object. We can't debate that "this photo has no fear in it" like we can "this photo is not of a transparent object." The entire challenge is metaphorical. Therefore, I think titles are going to play a huge part in making the viewer understand what the photo says about fear. I know I've already had a few ideas that really rely on a title to hammer the point home.
It's going to be an interesting challenge.
- mike
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07/02/2002 07:51:12 AM · #22 |
Well..I will not comment on what I am going to do....nada. I don't know what I am going to do :-P
But if I feel the fear in the photo...you will get a 10 from me this week. I really think this is going to be a hard challenge. |
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07/02/2002 07:57:25 AM · #23 |
I like photos that make me think about how they were created - that is part of the great part of this site in that it opens us all up to learning new ways to take pictures and create art. I am not going to give anyone lower points because I don't know how they got the shot - as a newbie here most of the pictures are like this for me!
I was refering more to those photos which are very abstract or rely on a different interpretation of the challange where I may not make the connection to how it meets the topic. For me those are really hard to vote on because I go in knowing that I am most likely missing the point the artist was trying to make.
Tina
Originally posted by Gotcha:
tjuneau13
I can't just assume that if I don't "get it" it must be good.
Mine is living proof of this right now. I am getting battered about the title not fitting. It is being described in the comments as having been created totally wrong - I feel I am loosing points because they don't understand how it was done. (I checked the little box that said I followed the rules) but...... I am at the mercy of the masses. (I still like it).
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07/03/2002 08:16:35 PM · #24 |
I reallly like this.
Originally posted by myqyl:
Just a thought...
I forget the exact wording of the challenge, but each of the challenges seem to be worded intentionally vague.
For instance, Transparent was "Take a shot of anything that's semi-transparent. Play with distortion and colors in objects like cups, eye glasses, stained glass. [i]Be creative, and good luck."
Fear is : "'This one might take a little more thought. Photograph your best interpretation of 'Fear' in any shape or form."
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but the challenges themselves seem to request that we use a VERY liberal, creative interputation of the challenge. I've begun to think some folks are a bit too judgemental concerning the artistic interputation of others.
That being said, Paranoia spoke volumes to me about city life. I thought the challenge was nailed. Some photos are questionable (imo) while others leave me totally befuddled. I try to give the artist the benefit of the doubt and will only take off 1 or possible 2 points if I don't get it.
Just because we don't get something doesn't mean there isn't something to get.
Qyl
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07/03/2002 08:18:05 PM · #25 |
Word!
Originally posted by mci:
I think this whole "anti-title" thing is getting out of hand. If a title is required to let the viewer know what's going on in the photographer's head, so be it. It's all part of the "art". I think we need to really calm down on the "this photo only meets the challenge because of the topic" crap. It's severely limiting our creativity.
- mike
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