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07/01/2002 02:09:33 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Zeissman:
Comparing a baby getting weighed for the first time to someone going to the bathroom shows me that you have a very skewed view.
Why, just because i don't agree with your thought process? They are both a valid represantation of city life. I think you're reading far too much into what this site is about. People take photos related to a certain topic and viewers vote on them.... very simple.
Like i said before, just because it's a baby getting weighed shouldn't grant it any special priviliges.
You also said, "I think it should be ranked higher because it was a very good picture of a very important event."
This is not an important event for me at all and i don't see any reason to give it high marks.
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07/01/2002 02:17:15 PM · #27 |
I hope people remember, that my argument was not that this should have won, maybe not even top 20. But definitely not second to last.
I actually do not care for most of the baby shots, but I like this because it is a slice of life, and captures an event in action.
People complain about cliche baby shots, but that is also what they expect. This was definitely not cliche.
And I still cannot fathom how someone can say that this did not meet the challenge.
Sorry about the rude tone. To my previous posts.
Also, photos should be given some consideration regarding subject matter, and situation. Not everything is controllable. The critique should really take into account what the photographer can control. Taking an action shot is not the same as doing a studio shot.
Maybe we should have a photojournalism challenge.
* This message has been edited by the author on 7/1/2002 7:08:54 PM.
* This message has been edited by the author on 7/1/2002 8:16:03 PM.
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07/01/2002 05:07:14 PM · #28 |
Zeissman - Thank you very much for "sticking up" for my picture. I didn't expect to win, I NEVER expect to win - but I was pretty shocked to see it did that poorly. I know from the get go that photos of babies get alot of low votes simply because some just see a child and dislike those types of photos and vote accordingly. I thought about 'City Life' for several days, and like the other 42% of the photos, I decided to take a picture of a person - a city is made up of people: no people - no city... Anyway, my neighbor happens to be my best friend and asked me to be in the delivery room for their second child. Some people will never understand that overwhelming feeling of elation towards a delivery. Sadly, some will never get the chance to be a part of it either. (I also got to see my niece born a few years back) Sorry, I know I'm rambling - so the opportunity was knocking, and I thought it would be a great chance to take a photo of a child without it being tagged as a 'cliche'. To each their own. :P
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07/01/2002 05:24:51 PM · #29 |
| There are 3 million of those in my city - I must admit however, when I look at a baby, I think of innocence or mothers. I liked the picture and I knew you went out on a limb with this one.... But cut some slack here folks - lets not tourniquet creativity over a technicality. For what its worth, I feel you were robbed. |
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07/01/2002 08:05:50 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by faerieaeone:
hhmm well KD, I wasn't refering to that shot. Although I do think #46 is a nice shot. I was refering to the shot of the doll head #98, I liked the color, the lines, the simplicity, it looks retro. As far as portraying city life,well.. you don't see many things like that in the windows of country folks.
Thanks all who stuck up for me. I am surprised by the way a lot of you look at the pictures. My picture was supposed to depict how a lot of people are and have become in the city. Yes I look at things from an artistic point of view. A lot of the other pictures were good, some were very busy and cluttered. I wanted mine to be different, bold and with a meaning, that unfortunately a lot couldn't see. Don't forget that photography is a form of art.
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07/01/2002 08:51:08 PM · #31 |
My whole point was, so many people complain about cliche, but when we go outside of that, we get hammered for not being cliche.
I think the winner was really the only one that captured both city and life really well. Too many of the photos were just city and no life. And of course, the "cliche" bum shots. One of which I really liked (that was the first idea into my head).
I think this photo captured life extremely well, and it definitely happens in the city. There are very few shots of life that are only related to the city in this challenge. I grew up in a town of 10,000 but still went to a mall regularly.
It seems that most people here think they are as open minded about art as they need to be, but I know I could sure rethink a few votes. I dismissed picture of a portrait when I voted.
It is too bad that kid shots automatically get limited, but oh well, know your audience.
Good luck in the next challenge.
Originally posted by cthenk:
Zeissman - Thank you very much for "sticking up" for my picture. I didn't expect to win, I NEVER expect to win - but I was pretty shocked to see it did that poorly. I know from the get go that photos of babies get alot of low votes simply because some just see a child and dislike those types of photos and vote accordingly. I thought about 'City Life' for several days, and like the other 42% of the photos, I decided to take a picture of a person - a city is made up of people: no people - no city... Anyway, my neighbor happens to be my best friend and asked me to be in the delivery room for their second child. Some people will never understand that overwhelming feeling of elation towards a delivery. Sadly, some will never get the chance to be a part of it either. (I also got to see my niece born a few years back) Sorry, I know I'm rambling - so the opportunity was knocking, and I thought it would be a great chance to take a photo of a child without it being tagged as a 'cliche'. To each their own. :P
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07/01/2002 10:29:20 PM · #32 |
Frank Stella, Andy Warhal and David hockney were not openly accepted by the masses either. Now they are Icons in their own right. Just keep up the good work Jean-it wont always be understood.
Originally posted by Jean:
Originally posted by faerieaeone:
[i]hhmm well KD, I wasn't refering to that shot. Although I do think #46 is a nice shot. I was refering to the shot of the doll head #98, I liked the color, the lines, the simplicity, it looks retro. As far as portraying city life,well.. you don't see many things like that in the windows of country folks.
Thanks all who stuck up for me. I am surprised by the way a lot of you look at the pictures. My picture was supposed to depict how a lot of people are and have become in the city. Yes I look at things from an artistic point of view. A lot of the other pictures were good, some were very busy and cluttered. I wanted mine to be different, bold and with a meaning, that unfortunately a lot couldn't see. Don't forget that photography is a form of art.
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07/01/2002 11:21:13 PM · #33 |
I'm willing to try to explain why I didn't give the baby taxpayer shot a high vote. (Just my opinion so don't shoot me!) I think that the title is the only thing that really tried to pull it into the challenge. It wasn't a bad picture, but the challenge is just that. It's a challenge. Just because you took a great picture of a baby that week (and I do think it's a good shot) doesn't mean that you can make it fit the topic.
Sure, it's a part of city life. It is also a part of ALL life. It could just as well fit in a challenge on rural life. I know that there was some debate over just how urban it had to be to classify as city life, and I was lenient. I didn't score someone down just because they didn't have a city to shoot. I don't think that was the case here though. |
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07/02/2002 05:23:58 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by lisae:
88: Kicking Back - This was my favourite photo in the whole challenge!!!!! It ranked so incredibly low, and I have almost no idea why.
Why thank you, you are too kind! Was one of about 30 that I took of
my wife and I enjoying a Saturday evening in the sunshine getting a bit
drunk after a hard days shopping, walking around and generally living in a city...
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07/02/2002 06:45:42 AM · #35 |
What I find sorta interesting is that this is a site for beginning or very amatuer digital photography but so many voters don't give credit on all aspects of a photo.
Meaning that there are many things that the photographers have to concentrate on to produce a quality image.
Technical skills like exposure levels, focus/depth of field issues, contrast and color corrections, etc
Then there are artisitic concerns like subject matter, composition, drama, communication levels, etc.
I see a lot of photos get really jammed (ie. screwed) for only one or two aspects missing the mark.
That baby photo is a good example. Technically that photo was good with no major issues and deserved at least a 4-5 on a vote just for technical merit. Even if that photo didn't meet the challenge, had no emotional content and touched on a subject someone may even go so far as to hate.
I guess I am just trying to give some support to folks who may get frustrated with solid efforts but seem to get jerked around at times just on small things :-)
I get jammmed a bit when I go to a lot of trouble for a shot..miss slightly on a color or tech issue and get jammed more for that than the voter giving credit for the difficulty of the shot in the first place :-/
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07/02/2002 07:14:34 AM · #36 |
I guess one of the things that is bothering my, is that paranoia was also told that it really did not meet the competition, but still got tenth.
But people really seemed to hold this against future tax payer. There were way too many 1-3''s, based on the fact that people did not like seeing a picture of a baby that was not bundled in a blanket, and held in mommies arms.
How many other photos in this challenge actually captured something unique to city life?
I see a lot of critiques that judge the photo on what the viewer wishes it was, rather than what the photo is. I sometime do this myself. That can be very helpful, but it can also be frustrating. I sometimes want to know how I can improve the photo itself, or get a better shot in the same situation.
I think this horse is dead now.
* This message has been edited by the author on 7/2/2002 11:21:43 AM.
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07/02/2002 07:26:15 AM · #37 |
| In the “on the road” challenge, Poop took last place. My guess is because it wasn’t pleasant to look at. I don’t think it had anything to do with it meeting the challenge or the technical aspects of the shot. |
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07/02/2002 07:31:07 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by Zeissman:
My whole point was, so many people complain about cliche, but when we go outside of that, we get hammered for not being cliche.
yes, but isn''t this exactly what was happening in another thread with the whole transparency debate, and weren''t you the major proponent of those pics ''exactly fitting the challenge?'' ; ) . . I dont know if you can have it both ways ...
I''m going to go out on a limb here with the ''taxpayer'' picture and guess that the negative reaction people had wasn''t as much because it ''didn''t fit the challenge'' but more because, I think alot of people thought that it was gross. i''m not saying that I myself couldnt detach myself from that - in fact, I thought it was an impressive catch, of something I see rarely and as such merited a decent vote.
but I''m guessing a LOT of people saw that pic and went ''yuck.'' I know that when I was voting in my office on my lunch hour several of my coworkers saw it and that''s exactly what they said. this does not reflect on you, cthenk, but again, people are not accustomed to seeing that, and in our sanitized society, that is pretty danged intense.
I think you should take it as a compliment people had such a strong reaction. : )
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07/02/2002 07:37:25 AM · #39 |
Magnetic....heheh...your co-workers might think you are into some strange kiddie porn..better watch it <:-O
But you are right...The United States..for all it's claim to be so "open minded" is hung up on some strange sh1t. |
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07/02/2002 08:11:21 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
yes, but isn''t this exactly what was happening in another thread with the whole transparency debate, and weren''t you the major proponent of those pics ''exactly fitting the challenge?'' ; ) . . I dont know if you can have it both ways ...
I''m going to go out on a limb here with the ''taxpayer'' picture and guess that the negative reaction people had wasn''t as much because it ''didn''t fit the challenge'' but more because, I think alot of people thought that it was gross. i''m not saying that I myself couldnt detach myself from that - in fact, I thought it was an impressive catch, of something I see rarely and as such merited a decent vote.
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I think I was being misunderstood. I was actually trying to give a broader interpretation of the challenge. At least that is what I thought I was saying. I never said that anything had to exactly fit the challenge. There seemed to be some confusionsion between tranparent, transperancy, and semi-transparency, and how it applied to the description.
I was just letting people know how I resolved that. I never said any photo had to posses certain elements. I just gave a few definitions that I thought would clear things up. Obviously, that did not work out as I planned.
It definitely illustrated that there was a lot of confusion about the challenge.
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07/02/2002 09:04:19 AM · #41 |
| Its just a game Zeissman. Look how many pictures in this challenge are lacking any kind of distortion. Even though the challenge clearly said to play with distortion. Look how many are black and white, but the challenge calls for color in objects.... I find all this fascinating. Dealing with the human element is tricky. |
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07/02/2002 09:18:24 AM · #42 |
Mine is one lacking any real distortion. I used color. I give myself a pretty wide lattitude to bend the challenge to suit my need, and I try to do the same for others.
Some people did not like the tinted black and white photos, but I think that was still within the spirit of the challenge.
Hey, anyone else have a photo they thought should have done better? Or surprised did so well?
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07/02/2002 09:20:25 AM · #43 |
I think all of mine have finished fairly in comparison with the rest of the photos in the challenge. I think I got luck on the one win I have had... there were some great photos in the black and white challenge...
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07/02/2002 09:31:00 AM · #44 |
| But look how open the challenge was for creativity. Anything, black and white. I love that - That is what sparked my interest in playing with you guys......n gals |
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07/02/2002 09:46:17 AM · #45 |
i didn't have time to submit or vote last week but i did catch the taxpayer photo and thought it was neato-cool and clever and would have voted it high for that alone, however, i would have had to knock it down some because (to me) it didn't meet the challenge of "city" life, because the event as depicted isn't limited to "city" life...the photo didn't make it clear "where" it was......now, if the photo showed it happened in the back of a cab on a city street, well, that would have been different ;o)
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07/02/2002 02:32:38 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by Zeissman:
Hey, anyone else have a photo they thought should have done better? Or surprised did so well?
Well, I for sure had a mind opening experience this time! I really don't know if I should have titled it "Drunk Frat Boy" or "Weekend Warrior", or what, but I have to admit I was pretty blown away at the reaction it got! But it is really my fault for not taking into consideration how other people would see it, since I am so used to this sort of thing. Ah, live and learn!
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07/02/2002 04:20:28 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I think all of mine have finished fairly in comparison with the rest of the photos in the challenge. I think I got luck on the one win I have had... there were some great photos in the black and white challenge...
Really not trying to respond, I just can't seem to get to the bottom of this page, so I am trying to see if I can post then read it.
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