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 11/12/2009 12:19:41 PM · #1
I am tired of seeing people get their great images disqualified because some stupid software stamped its name into the file. I just saw Magnumphotography's image that was DQed and it inspired me to write this. I know many of you already know this but I'll go on for those who don't or are not sure. I think the SC should be doing this because of the many DQ's we have been seeing lately but that's another matter.

Folks, the easiest way to not screw up your files is to use the Copy/Paste commands. Go to your card using explorer in Windows and just simply copy the files onto your hard drive into a new folder, that's it. Exact copies will be made. Now just copy the file you want to work on from those new files you created and paste it in another folder you created or on your desktop, that will be your working copy and the original will stay original, don't save it with some software, just leave it there until you get asked to validate your submission. This is for those who shoot jpegs exclusively. Those who shoot RAW should already know this stuff.

Or

Use Lightroom.

If anyone wants to add to this or simplify it even more, please do.

Let's stop the SC from DQing superb images that deserve their respective ribbons. ;|

Message edited by author 2009-11-12 19:00:05.
 11/12/2009 12:25:40 PM · #2
Originally posted by Jac:
... because some stupid software stamped its name into the file.
I agree, I hate when that happens. Stupid software.

Here's Magnumphotography's DQ'd photo, fyi:

11/12/2009 12:25:50 PM · #3
I always keep the raw file on the card until well after voting, do any programs ever touch the original on the card?
 11/12/2009 12:30:39 PM · #4
Originally posted by PapaBob:
I always keep the raw file on the card until well after voting, do any programs ever touch the original on the card?

Yup, Windows gallery, if you futz while viewing from the card. Others too I'm sure.
 11/12/2009 12:34:31 PM · #5
Originally posted by PapaBob:
I always keep the raw file on the card until well after voting, do any programs ever touch the original on the card?

No/Yes. RAW files will always be OK. It's only the JPEGs you have to worry about, and those can be modified on any writable media when you're working with them.

Message edited by author 2009-11-12 17:35:21.
 11/12/2009 12:45:56 PM · #6
I always shoot in RAW for this very reason.
 11/12/2009 12:50:04 PM · #7
Originally posted by VitaminB:
I always shoot in RAW for this very reason.


You should be shooting raw because the raw holds more data than a jpeg, hahaha

Message edited by author 2009-11-12 17:50:21.
 11/12/2009 12:54:00 PM · #8
I dont even trust lightroom to not mess with downloading my photos from the cards, I always copy and paste the files from the cards to the hard drive and yes I always shoot RAW as well.


11/12/2009 12:56:43 PM · #9
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
Originally posted by VitaminB:
I always shoot in RAW for this very reason.


You should be shooting raw because the raw holds more data than a jpeg, hahaha


While this is true, I have to admit that the reason I switched over from Jpeg to RAW in camera was because of DPC validations. Even if I am out shooting, and at risk of running out of card space, I still shoot in RAW just in case.

The extra info has turned out to be nice as I learned how to photoshop better, because I can edit photos from my archives and have more data to play with.
 11/12/2009 01:30:55 PM · #10
I always copy and paste, that's all I've ever done. It's easy and quick and has got to be easier than using some program to transfer your pics from your card to your computer.
 11/12/2009 01:50:10 PM · #11
Seeing that I am responsible for Ryan Magnumphotography joining this site, and as one of the two people in the Halloween shot that got DQ'd, I can tell you this:

a) Ryan is a master at lighting and does hardly any post-processing;
b) That image is a single capture;
c) That shoot was a helluva lot of work and fun; and
d) He always shoots RAW and jpeg.

I believe he submitted only the jpeg when SC asked him for validation. I was shattered to see the DQ...and as I knew of it before he did, he wasn't too happy to learn of the SC's decision to DQ that image, either. I suggested he appeal to the SC and submit both the RAW and jpeg of that image. To my knowledge he has done so, but I personally have never heard of the SC overturning a DQ, or if they do they keep mighty quiet about it.

11/12/2009 01:51:56 PM · #12
No they have overturned DQ's before .
 11/12/2009 02:14:50 PM · #13
Originally posted by snaffles:
I suggested he appeal to the SC and submit both the RAW and jpeg of that image. To my knowledge he has done so, but I personally have never heard of the SC overturning a DQ, or if they do they keep mighty quiet about it.

He didn't, nor did he respond to a 2nd request for the original. FWIW, the original JPEG probably exists, too. It looks like the file was exported from iPhoto, and iPhoto automatically rotates portrait images to the correct orientation (modifying the file in the process). If you open the iPhoto Library, the correct file will still be preserved in the "Originals" folder for that date. Of course if he shot RAW, it would be easier to just submit that.
 11/12/2009 02:15:18 PM · #14
Originally posted by JulietNN:
No they have overturned DQ's before .


Then there is hope...thanks Juliet! We were/are both tremendously disheartened by the DQ.

Like I said, Ryan is incredible when it comes to lighting, I can thank him for the fact that my dancing skeletons and riding student are now in the top 5 on my homepage - all 6s, thank you very much. We get together, go off and shoot, either in the country where I am, or in the city, where he is.

He encourages me to use a tripod (that Manfrotto is never far away from him, trust me!) has taught me about long exposures and deep DOF, all in a non-critical manner...'Hey Susan, try this, see what happens first, then change things'...NEVER nasty criticism like 'That f***ing sucks! Go sell your camera and take up stamp collecting!' He trusts my eye, and we send each other pics on pretty much a daily basis, asking for feedback on the shots.

He is basically my private photography tutor, and seeing that he has been into photography for most of his life, Ryan really knows his stuff. That's why he relies on his knowledge of lighting to make a shot, and doesn't fall back on excessive pp to improve a poor shot. He did very minor pp on the Halloween shot - I should know, I was there watching him do it!

And that's how he operates.

I am so glad I met him. DQ this time or not, I know as a matter of fact that he will ribbon, and it won't be brown. It's just a matter of when.
 11/12/2009 02:16:20 PM · #15
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by snaffles:
I suggested he appeal to the SC and submit both the RAW and jpeg of that image. To my knowledge he has done so, but I personally have never heard of the SC overturning a DQ, or if they do they keep mighty quiet about it.

He didn't, nor did he respond to a 2nd request for the original. FWIW, the original JPEG probably exists, too. It looks like the file was exported from iPhoto, and iPhoto automatically rotates portrait images to the correct orientation (modifying the file in the process). If you open the iPhoto Library, the correct file will still be preserved in the "Originals" folder for that date. Of course if he shot RAW, it would be easier to just submit that.


He works in iPhoto, but does shoot RAW and jpeg.
 11/12/2009 02:22:29 PM · #16
Originally posted by snaffles:
He works in iPhoto, but does shoot RAW and jpeg.

Yes, you mentioned that. I'm just saying that either would be fine, and it may be easier to send the RAW version if you can't access the original JPEG. It sounds like this DQ could have been avoided, but we waited three days after the second request with no response from the photographer.
 11/12/2009 02:33:36 PM · #17
Originally posted by scalvert:
No/Yes. RAW files will always be OK. It's only the JPEGs you have to worry about, and those can be modified on any writable media when you're working with them.


Hmmm, I've been wondering about this for a while. I tend to rename RAW files after they're on my drive. Will re-naming RAW files result in a DQ?
 11/12/2009 02:41:45 PM · #18
Originally posted by Medoomi:
Will re-naming RAW files result in a DQ?

Nope. It probably wouldn't even affect a JPEG.
 11/12/2009 02:44:54 PM · #19
Originally posted by scalvert:
but we waited three days after the second request with no response from the photographer.


arkk that could be the sticking point there Snaffs, he didn't respond!
 11/12/2009 02:59:48 PM · #20
I had no idea that he had received a second request from SC for validation. I thought it was just the one.
 11/12/2009 03:47:28 PM · #21
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Originally posted by scalvert:
but we waited three days after the second request with no response from the photographer.


arkk that could be the sticking point there Snaffs, he didn't respond!


I would be pissed as well and most probably avoid anything D, P or C for a while too. ;\

Message edited by author 2009-11-12 20:47:53.
 11/12/2009 04:18:16 PM · #22
Ahhh, Well thanks for all your concerns. I too am a little confused, on what had happened. I did submit a jpeg of my image, with the image info, after I received a confirmation request. I remember seeing the date dpc received it, along with the thumbnail image. I did get a second request?, by email. Unfortunately, I miss under stood. I am relatively new to dpc and this was my second overall confirmation request. So still trying to get things down. So please be aware, your original image submitted, will stay on the confirmation page. Even if you get a second request! This confused me into thinking, everything was fine. So don\'t be fooled into thinking you are safe. I wish the second request,( actually more of a statement), would have been more straight forward. Something like \" We have received your first confirmation image, for the challenge Halloween. Please resend the image, as it is Not in its original unaltered state. If that was the case, everything would have been fine.
This is what I received.
Note from Administrator:
Please upload your original AS IT CAME FROM THE CAMERA, and NOT a version that has been edited, extracted, viewed, or transferred using editing software. Feel free to contact us if you require any assistance in doing this.
I wish I knew this was a second request! So DPC, Please change this statement. Let us know it\'s a second request for validation. Just seems to much like a statement to me.

After finding out I got DQ\'d, I sent a message and the jpeg again. Still waiting to hear from DPC on it. This image was cropped, reduced highlights and resized for web. So well within the guidelines for advanced. Like Snaffles stayted, I did shoot in raw and jpeg. Unfortunately I used the jpeg for its stock black and white look. Not sure what happened, to make it not original.

I feel bad for Snaffles more than anything. She did such a great job, in this image! Would have been nice, to see here on my home page! Next time girl...

Any help will be appreciated, although I know it\'s probably to late.
Thanks all and to all that enjoyed this image, I say thank you for your comments, votes and support.
Ryan...

11/12/2009 04:31:24 PM · #23
Originally posted by Magnumphotography:
After finding out I got DQ\'d, I sent a message and the jpeg again. Still waiting to hear from DPC on it.

The second message was sent nearly 12 hours after you submitted a file, with the reason capitalized for emphasis. I don't see any tickets or files from you since then. How did you send it?
 11/12/2009 04:43:13 PM · #24
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Magnumphotography:
After finding out I got DQ\'d, I sent a message and the jpeg again. Still waiting to hear from DPC on it.

The second message was sent nearly 12 hours after you submitted a file, with the reason capitalized for emphasis. I don't see any tickets or files from you since then. How did you send it?


I sent the second Jpeg with info, to Dpc general inquiry.
 11/12/2009 04:48:40 PM · #25
I learned the hard way about this when an HM got DQ'd; I'd been transferring jpeg files in using Adobe software and had no idea that it altered the photos in any way. I'm really sorry about your DQ Magnumphotography; it is still an utterly fantastic image!
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