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05/20/2004 12:52:09 AM · #1 |
Just a remark: a lot of (nice) shots look to me more dedicated to a DPC on "Vices" or "Hobbies" instead of "Habits" making the casting ambiguous.
Message edited by author 2004-05-20 05:24:47. |
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05/20/2004 06:38:37 AM · #2 |
I had noticed how many people seemed to think of "habits" as a bad thing.
There are some interesting takes on the idea in this challenge, though, as well as a couple of obscure references I am sure will score low.
There always seem to be a lot of not-quite-on-it entries in challenges:
Habits got "vices" "addictions" "bad manners" and "hobbies"
Opposites got a lot of "Opponents" and "Reflections"
Proportion got a lot of "Portion" and "Scale" images
Serendipity got a lot of "Luck" images
Rusted got "rust colored"
I think it is interesting how people group their ideas.
Message edited by Konador - Please don't make reference to specific entries. |
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05/20/2004 06:50:26 AM · #3 |
I think it's interesting how you folks suffer under the weight of semantics. Vices, addictions, bad manners, and hobbies can all be habits. At this rate, you'll have an ulcer just from trying to exclude everyone else's challenge ideas from your tiny box of "meets the challenge."
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05/20/2004 06:50:52 AM · #4 |
I took "habit" to mean a dependency like a drug user has a habit.
Just my slant (which is often wrong)
Steve |
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05/20/2004 07:11:20 AM · #5 |
| yes, it's very important to keep an open mind when looking at challenges, maybe a little more description to the challenge might help. But actually i sort of like it wide open. I do understand that semantics plays a big role in all of it, but in addition to keeping an open mind it's also a great thing to have an opinion and to state it. If we all came here without our boxes of opinion and how we see the world nothing would have any relevance and people would just submit picture after picture of random bs having no relation to the challenge. While too much structure chokes, working in a vacuum also kills just the same. |
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05/20/2004 08:00:34 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by StevePax:
I think it's interesting how you folks suffer under the weight of semantics. Vices, addictions, bad manners, and hobbies can all be habits. At this rate, you'll have an ulcer just from trying to exclude everyone else's challenge ideas from your tiny box of "meets the challenge." |
exactly! |
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05/20/2004 08:22:47 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by StevePax:
I think it's interesting how you folks suffer under the weight of semantics. Vices, addictions, bad manners, and hobbies can all be habits. At this rate, you'll have an ulcer just from trying to exclude everyone else's challenge ideas from your tiny box of "meets the challenge." |
And yet, if you decided almost everything is allowable under the semantics of the topic, it ceases to be a challenge right? The beauty of this website is that there is a natural balance between the two perspectives that, I think, regularly finds the real winners in each challendge.
Are the winners always the most artistic and compelling images? No, but if we wanted that we'd just go to NationalGeographic.com or something. Just my two cents. |
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05/20/2004 08:33:50 AM · #8 |
There is always a bunch of you "doesn't meet the challenge" complainers,go do some photo taking !
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05/20/2004 09:12:20 AM · #9 |
If the Challenge topic weren't a major proponent of this whole site, I would agree with the folks who get upset over what they refer to as 'semantics'. It is important to take a good photo and I don't shave off major points for not meeting the challenge but let's be fair; a photo of a flower doesn't meet the challenge. Period. You can argue all you want about photographing flowers (or cats, or whatever) as being the photographer's habit but that is besides the point. We all knew that to begin with. It just seems like mental laziness to me and it isn't fair to the spirit of the challenge.
I wouldn't argue that vice isn't habit. A habit isn't necessarily a vice but just because someone depicts a vice doesn't mean it isn't a habit. However, I don't find that hobbies (like ballooning) fit the description of habit. There are a few exceptions that I would have considered, such as knitting or crossword puzzles. In terms of sports, I would consider a regular fitness routine (biking, jogging, etc) as a habit. Basically, I draw the line in my own mind and that is really all anyone else does when they decide something doesn't meet the challenge.
Another for instance, I don't consider eating a habit, rather or necessity of life (might as well argue that breathing is a habit) but if the photographer depicts it in such a way to get the idea of 'good eating habits' across, I would accept that. I like to be fluid. At any rate, I only shave off one point for failing to meet the challenge. |
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05/20/2004 03:57:55 PM · #10 |
If you got an assignment to shoot a soap adverisment and the guy who was going to pay you said " get a picture of a happy dirty nine year old boy" and you came back with a picture of two birds flying in front of a lovely sunset, but you titled it "dirt flies away". Do you think you would be cashing a check from him?
I think of the challenge as being the assignment. Responding to it is part of a good photographic solution, right next to focusing the camera. I see people give ones to out of focus shots that respond to the challenge while giving nines to beautifull shots with little relation to the challenge. Oh well, that's what makes it interesting.
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05/20/2004 05:14:01 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
If you got an assignment to shoot a soap adverisment and the guy who was going to pay you said " get a picture of a happy dirty nine year old boy" and you came back with a picture of two birds flying in front of a lovely sunset, but you titled it "dirt flies away". Do you think you would be cashing a check from him?
I think of the challenge as being the assignment. Responding to it is part of a good photographic solution, right next to focusing the camera. I see people give ones to out of focus shots that respond to the challenge while giving nines to beautifull shots with little relation to the challenge. Oh well, that's what makes it interesting. |
Very apt analogy. |
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05/20/2004 05:24:46 PM · #12 |
I've had a few comments about my submission too, and I thought long and hard if it met the challenge. I even went to the extreme and looked up the word in the dictionary and here's what I found:
hab·it n.
A recurrent, often unconscious pattern of behavior that is acquired through frequent repetition.
An established disposition of the mind or character.
Customary manner or practice: a person of ascetic habits.
An addiction, especially to a narcotic drug.
Physical constitution.
Characteristic appearance, form, or manner of growth, especially of a plant or crystal.
A distinctive dress or costume, especially of a religious order.
A riding habit.
And in regards to my submission the first one really indicates that my submission is correct |
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05/20/2004 05:26:12 PM · #13 |
Actually, my comment was just that it was interesting how different people see different ideas.
I only give a low score for "doesn't fit the challenge" if it's egregious. (The photographer put no thought into it)
Otherwise, I just think of it as a challenge to myself to see what they were thinking.
When a large percentage of entries are "off" in the same direction, that says to me that I may need to widen my view the meaning.
After all, the meaning of words is in their usage, and can change over time. If the challenge were "Fribulous", and over half the entries were
pictures of rotting wood, another large chunk were of lace, and one was of a bug, one of a cat, one of a flower, and one blurry smear, we really wouldn't say the rotting wood and lace pictures were "not to the challenge", but the others were.
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05/20/2004 05:40:39 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by hannafate:
(edit) If the challenge were "Fribulous", and over half the entries were
pictures of rotting wood, another large chunk were of lace, and one was of a bug, one of a cat, one of a flower, and one blurry smear, we really wouldn't say the rotting wood and lace pictures were "not to the challenge", but the others were. |
I belive that most comments would rip the pictures of rotting wood for being an unoriginal subject. |
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05/20/2004 05:40:44 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by melismatica:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
If you got an assignment to shoot a soap adverisment and the guy who was going to pay you said " get a picture of a happy dirty nine year old boy" and you came back with a picture of two birds flying in front of a lovely sunset, but you titled it "dirt flies away". Do you think you would be cashing a check from him?
I think of the challenge as being the assignment. Responding to it is part of a good photographic solution, right next to focusing the camera. I see people give ones to out of focus shots that respond to the challenge while giving nines to beautifull shots with little relation to the challenge. Oh well, that's what makes it interesting. |
Very apt analogy. |
No one is talking about things that truly don't meet the challenge. I am talking about things that are absolutely and completely within reason part of the challenge, yet people exclude them. I love the challenge aspect of the site. I don't think it is anal to say that birds in front of a sunset don't qualify as a dirty boy. I do, however, think it is anal to say that a vice isn't a habit. Clearly you can see the difference. Please do not put words into my mouth.
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05/20/2004 05:45:40 PM · #16 |
| The revolving door at DPC spins yet once again. |
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05/20/2004 05:57:14 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by StevePax:
I do, however, think it is anal to say that a vice isn't a habit. Clearly you can see the difference. Please do not put words into my mouth. |
Agreed. I would second that. To say that a vice is not a habit is splitting hairs. I would say that if you split all vices out of my habits I think I would be utterly without habits . If I put words into your mouth I apologise. Perhaps I oversteped the bounds in my attempt to make the case that the response to the challenge in a short amount of time is what I like best about this site. |
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05/21/2004 05:53:57 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
[quote=StevePax]
I do, however, think it is anal to say that a vice isn't a habit. Clearly you can see the difference. Please do not put words into my mouth. |
I wasn't arguing with vice, rather, hobby, another word you used. I don't think it is anal to say that a hobby [i]isn't/i] a habit. Though there are some exceptions I would make such as knitting and crochet, repetitive tasks frequently taken everywhere that become almost second nature to some people. Sailing, woodworking, balooning, photography are not habits (yes, I know people bring there cameras everywhere but I don't see it the same way because it never becomes mindless or repetitive in the way that needlework can be).
hobby: (noun) An activity or interest pursued outside one's regular occupation and engaged in primarily for pleasure.
BTW, before I get slammed for calling knitting a mindless task, I don't mean that in a derogatory way. I love knitting and crochet. A lot of thought and creativity go into a knitted creation in the planning stages. Once you are in the actual knitting stage a lot of it is done while watching tv, reading, talking, walking, etc. (yes, some people knit and walk at the same time and there are even tools to accomodate this). |
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