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 05/06/2004 04:27:34 AM · #1
I received my first DQ request on my Rust challenge!! Very unexpected since it was a crappy entry in the first place! And that only on my 5th entry! Gotta celebrate.
 05/06/2004 04:30:39 AM · #2
congrats
 05/06/2004 05:21:19 AM · #3
I got one too. And only on my 94th entry. Feels good to know somebody thinks you cheated.

Quick question: I shot in RAW. Do I submit the RAW or developped file?
 05/06/2004 05:23:40 AM · #4
It is pretty exciting isn't it? To think that you accomplished something with your camera and little or no editing and yet someone thinks you used more?

Deannda
Congrats! :)
 05/06/2004 06:48:38 AM · #5
I've already been disqualified. I don't know what made someone send a DQ request on mine. I got disqualified for the time/date thing. I read about checking the time/date stamp after I had taken my shots. But i figured I wasn't going to come close to a ribbon, so who would bother asking for proof? I just wanted the comments anyway. Out of 96 votes (last I checked before I was DQd) I only got one comment. I'm mystified by what made someone think I cheated (since they couldn't know about my time/date stamp problem).
Here's the entry and the original. Of course, any comments or critiques are truly appreciated. If you've seen these posted on another thread, forgive me for being repetitive and ignore me. :D



05/06/2004 06:56:35 AM · #6
I got a request, too. My second in as many challenges -- I'm fairly mystified. Sorry to hear about the dq (especially if you wanted comments and didn't get many)

05/06/2004 06:59:53 AM · #7
Knowingly cheating, regardless of how well your photo will place, is not only rude and disrepectful to your fellow members, it is grounds for suspension from DPC. Hopefully you will adopt a less flippant attitude next time around.

Message edited by author 2004-05-06 11:00:10.
 05/06/2004 07:07:42 AM · #8
Originally posted by melismatica:
I've already been disqualified. I don't know what made someone send a DQ request on mine. I got disqualified for the time/date thing. I read about checking the time/date stamp after I had taken my shots. But i figured I wasn't going to come close to a ribbon, so who would bother asking for proof? I just wanted the comments anyway. Out of 96 votes (last I checked before I was DQd) I only got one comment. I'm mystified by what made someone think I cheated (since they couldn't know about my time/date stamp problem).
Here's the entry and the original. Of course, any comments or critiques are truly appreciated. If you've seen these posted on another thread, forgive me for being repetitive and ignore me. :D


This kind of reply kind of bothers me. It's very similar to saying..."I cheated, but no one will ever know, so I'll just do it anyway". I think it's unfair to submit a photo that you KNOW will be disqualified if questioned. It's unfair to the people who went out of their way to submit a valid legal entry.
 05/06/2004 07:20:00 AM · #9
I just registered for this site.... but after reading this thread, I think I made a mistake. I can't believe someone would be so malicious as to disqualify someone because their freakin' time and date setting was off. At first I thought this was some sort of error, but it looks like many of you are jumping on the bandwagon to chastise this person for a meaningless violation. Who cares?

Yeah, I know... if I don't like it, I can just keep walking. I believe I will. I would like to know if there's a way to cancel my registration? I have no desire to participate in this site's "challenges" and trivial arguing. Nor do I care to receive any email notices from this site. Can the admins please delete my registration?

Thanks.
 05/06/2004 07:22:53 AM · #10
Originally posted by mariomel:
Quick question: I shot in RAW. Do I submit the RAW or developped file?


I submitted the RAW file.
 05/06/2004 07:23:55 AM · #11
Originally posted by skiphunt:
I just registered for this site.... but after reading this thread, I think I made a mistake. I can't believe someone would be so malicious as to disqualify someone because their freakin' time and date setting was off. At first I thought this was some sort of error, but it looks like many of you are jumping on the bandwagon to chastise this person for a meaningless violation. Who cares?

Yeah, I know... if I don't like it, I can just keep walking. I believe I will. I would like to know if there's a way to cancel my registration? I have no desire to participate in this site's "challenges" and trivial arguing. Nor do I care to receive any email notices from this site. Can the admins please delete my registration?

Thanks.


What makes this site different from every other site is the time frame restrictions. If we didn't care about the date, then we would be just another photo critique site. The date is one of the most important things for the challenges. To submit a photo that was not taken within the dates, is not meaningless to me, or to the site. Sorry if you don't like it. But that's what we are.
 05/06/2004 07:28:27 AM · #12
How about if somebody does a circular crop? Is there such a thing, even? should that be grounds for disqualification, as the picture is no longer "true", with white space being where the rest of the picture should be?
 05/06/2004 07:29:40 AM · #13
To upload for a challenge .. YOU are asked, Date of Exposure-YOU do have to answer and check a box: Yes, this photograph was taken with a digital camera on or between ___ 2004 and __2004

People are human and make errors. Just don't do it again and move on to the next challenge. It's not for money folks.....virtual ribbons.

Message edited by author 2004-05-06 11:30:49.
 05/06/2004 07:31:24 AM · #14
Originally posted by letenele:
How about if somebody does a circular crop? Is there such a thing, even? should that be grounds for disqualification, as the picture is no longer "true", with white space being where the rest of the picture should be?


Under the 'Basic Editing' rules, depending on how the crop was done, it might be classed as a border, or it might be classed as rule breaking. Under the 'Advanced Editing' rules, it would probably be fine either way.
 05/06/2004 07:33:57 AM · #15
Originally posted by letenele:
How about if somebody does a circular crop? Is there such a thing, even? should that be grounds for disqualification, as the picture is no longer "true", with white space being where the rest of the picture should be?


This has actually been addressed under the old rules; if the original image is round, such as from a circular fisheye, then a round crop is totally appropriate. This image of mine:



is anexample of exactly that. Under the basic editing rules, this is legal. If the original image had not been circular, however, I would have been DQ'ed, and rightfully so (I did receive a DQ request on the image).
Interestingly, as far as I know, this is the only image of this type ever submitted for a challenge.
 05/06/2004 07:37:42 AM · #16
Originally posted by skiphunt:
I just registered for this site.... but after reading this thread, I think I made a mistake. I can't believe someone would be so malicious as to disqualify someone because their freakin' time and date setting was off. At first I thought this was some sort of error, but it looks like many of you are jumping on the bandwagon to chastise this person for a meaningless violation. Who cares?

Yeah, I know... if I don't like it, I can just keep walking. I believe I will. I would like to know if there's a way to cancel my registration? I have no desire to participate in this site's "challenges" and trivial arguing. Nor do I care to receive any email notices from this site. Can the admins please delete my registration?

Thanks.


I hope you do reconsider. It may seem like bickering to you now, however as hbunch7187 stated, the challenge timeframe is a defining feature of the site. The objective is to "challenge" us to go out each week and experiment. The outcome, for many (myself included) has been a greatly increased interest and pleasure in trying new things photographically. this naturally results in becoming a much better and well-rounded photographer.
If that's your objective, you could really enjoy the site. I hope you will stick around, there is alot of value here, and it is a great, tight-knit community as well.
 05/06/2004 07:41:13 AM · #17
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
Originally posted by melismatica:
I've already been disqualified. I don't know what made someone send a DQ request on mine. I got disqualified for the time/date thing. I read about checking the time/date stamp after I had taken my shots. But i figured I wasn't going to come close to a ribbon, so who would bother asking for proof? I just wanted the comments anyway. Out of 96 votes (last I checked before I was DQd) I only got one comment. I'm mystified by what made someone think I cheated (since they couldn't know about my time/date stamp problem).
Here's the entry and the original. Of course, any comments or critiques are truly appreciated. If you've seen these posted on another thread, forgive me for being repetitive and ignore me. :D


This kind of reply kind of bothers me. It's very similar to saying..."I cheated, but no one will ever know, so I'll just do it anyway". I think it's unfair to submit a photo that you KNOW will be disqualified if questioned. It's unfair to the people who went out of their way to submit a valid legal entry.


And unfair to those who are voting in equal good faith. :(
 05/06/2004 07:42:16 AM · #18
Originally posted by admart01:
I got a request, too. My second in as many challenges -- I'm fairly mystified. Sorry to hear about the dq (especially if you wanted comments and didn't get many)


I got one! Out of something like 96 votes as of last night. I like to make a clear comment on why I voted low because I want to be helpful. I don't mind (too much, hee hee) how low my score was but I did mind people scoring so low and not saying why. It's okay about the DQ. I'd love to know what the person who recommended it thought I did to cheat. Hopefully, I'll always remember to check the date/time stamp from here on. I doubt it though. :D I guess in a challenge with this many entries there are going to be a lot of DQ recommendations and I bet a lot of DQs because of the time/date thing.
05/06/2004 07:43:35 AM · #19
Originally posted by skiphunt:
I just registered for this site.... but after reading this thread, I think I made a mistake. I can't believe someone would be so malicious as to disqualify someone because their freakin' time and date setting was off. At first I thought this was some sort of error, but it looks like many of you are jumping on the bandwagon to chastise this person for a meaningless violation. Who cares?

Yeah, I know... if I don't like it, I can just keep walking. I believe I will. I would like to know if there's a way to cancel my registration? I have no desire to participate in this site's "challenges" and trivial arguing. Nor do I care to receive any email notices from this site. Can the admins please delete my registration?

Thanks.


The whole point of DPChallenge is to take your best photograph within the time contraints.
It is clearly spelled out in the rules.
If you still wish to be taken off the registration list, you can email the admins under the help>contact menu.
05/06/2004 07:45:21 AM · #20
Originally posted by melismatica:
I've already been disqualified. I don't know what made someone send a DQ request on mine. I got disqualified for the time/date thing. I read about checking the time/date stamp after I had taken my shots. But i figured I wasn't going to come close to a ribbon, so who would bother asking for proof? I just wanted the comments anyway. Out of 96 votes (last I checked before I was DQd) I only got one comment. I'm mystified by what made someone think I cheated (since they couldn't know about my time/date stamp problem).
Here's the entry and the original. Of course, any comments or critiques are truly appreciated. If you've seen these posted on another thread, forgive me for being repetitive and ignore me. :D


I am not sure what you intended from your post, but what i read is that you thought it was OK to violate the rules as long as you were not going to score well? So it is not cheating unless you are caught?

If that mindset is pervasive it might explain why we are getting so many DQ's when proof is requested. Makes me wonder if maybe 40% of the entries are illegal!

chris
 05/06/2004 07:48:58 AM · #21
Originally posted by skiphunt:
I just registered for this site.... but after reading this thread, I think I made a mistake. I can't believe someone would be so malicious as to disqualify someone because their freakin' time and date setting was off. At first I thought this was some sort of error, but it looks like many of you are jumping on the bandwagon to chastise this person for a meaningless violation. Who cares?

Yeah, I know... if I don't like it, I can just keep walking. I believe I will. I would like to know if there's a way to cancel my registration? I have no desire to participate in this site's "challenges" and trivial arguing. Nor do I care to receive any email notices from this site. Can the admins please delete my registration?

Thanks.


Read the rules. If you cannot agree to work within the rules, then PLEASE leave the site to those of us that will obey the rules.

As to the 'error' of date or time - is it an innocent error or intentional? How are we to know? We are to take your word for it? The decision has been made regarding the date and time issue on submissions, and there is NO wiggle room. That is the only fair way.
 05/06/2004 07:50:46 AM · #22
Originally posted by mk:
Knowingly cheating, regardless of how well your photo will place, is not only rude and disrepectful to your fellow members, it is grounds for suspension from DPC. Hopefully you will adopt a less flippant attitude next time around.


Um...if you are responding to me, you didn't read carefully. I DIDN'T CHEAT! I didn't know about the time/date stamp in my camera. I took the picture on 4/29/04 but my camera was set to some date in 1999.
Since my daughter was born in 1990, and she is definitely not 9 years old in this photo, I think I can defend myself pretty sensibly against cheating. The only reason I was given for disqualification was because of the date; my adjustments complied with the Basic Editing rules. I don't think submitting the photo even though I knew if I had to offer proof it would be DQ'd could be considered 'flippant' disregard for the rules. I know when I took the photo so I can sleep soundly, thanks. I was DQd anyway, so what's all this threatening of suspension? Give me a break. It's my second challenge.
05/06/2004 07:54:03 AM · #23
Originally posted by melismatica:
Originally posted by mk:
Knowingly cheating, regardless of how well your photo will place, is not only rude and disrepectful to your fellow members, it is grounds for suspension from DPC. Hopefully you will adopt a less flippant attitude next time around.


Um...if you are responding to me, you didn't read carefully. I DIDN'T CHEAT! I didn't know about the time/date stamp in my camera. I took the picture on 4/29/04 but my camera was set to some date in 1999.
Since my daughter was born in 1990, and she is definitely not 9 years old in this photo, I think I can defend myself pretty sensibly against cheating. The only reason I was given for disqualification was because of the date; my adjustments complied with the Basic Editing rules. I don't think submitting the photo even though I knew if I had to offer proof it would be DQ'd could be considered 'flippant' disregard for the rules. I know when I took the photo so I can sleep soundly, thanks. I was DQd anyway, so what's all this threatening of suspension? Give me a break. It's my second challenge.


It was this phrase:
Originally posted by melismatica:

I read about checking the time/date stamp after I had taken my shots. But i figured I wasn't going to come close to a ribbon, so who would bother asking for proof? I just wanted the comments anyway

that triggered this.

Well, no one accused anyone of cheating.. but at the same time, we want people to understand that we do take the date/time seriously.
 05/06/2004 07:56:54 AM · #24
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
Originally posted by melismatica:
I've already been disqualified. I don't know what made someone send a DQ request on mine. I got disqualified for the time/date thing. I read about checking the time/date stamp after I had taken my shots. But i figured I wasn't going to come close to a ribbon, so who would bother asking for proof? I just wanted the comments anyway. Out of 96 votes (last I checked before I was DQd) I only got one comment. I'm mystified by what made someone think I cheated (since they couldn't know about my time/date stamp problem).
Here's the entry and the original. Of course, any comments or critiques are truly appreciated. If you've seen these posted on another thread, forgive me for being repetitive and ignore me. :D


This kind of reply kind of bothers me. It's very similar to saying..."I cheated, but no one will ever know, so I'll just do it anyway". I think it's unfair to submit a photo that you KNOW will be disqualified if questioned. It's unfair to the people who went out of their way to submit a valid legal entry.


Like I said to the other nitpicker, it is hardly fair to accuse me of cheating because I went ahead and submitted an entry I worked hard on, in spite of a technicality. I took hundreds of photos that day. I never expected to be a ribbon contender AND I took the shot within the time of the contest. How is that cheating, excactly? Because of a stupid technicality? Should I post a copy of my daughter's birth certificate? The date on my camera was set to 1999, my daughter was 9 years old then. She is quite clearly not nine years old in this photo.


05/06/2004 07:59:23 AM · #25
Did you not read my last post?
Please cease with the name calling.
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