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06/24/2002 08:05:50 AM · #1 |
People voting.....listen..please.
It has been said before but it iw worht repeating.
Commenting with a question isn't going to do a lot of good.
The photgrapher that took the photo you have put a question on cannot respond to defend himself.
Plus...if you see a photo whose topic seems obscure..give the photgrapher the benefit of the doubt that he may have an IQ and have something to say in his image that is not written in black and white.
Maybe there is a question that he is encouraging YOU to ask YOURSELF.
But for goodness sakes guys...go with the experience a little bit. Allow photography to be about art as much as about documenting 3 dimensional space. Assume that there are adult artists out here that might be able to show YOU something. Maybe the voting is as much for the voter to learn as it is for the photgrapher? |
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06/24/2002 08:08:17 AM · #2 |
I have started signing my comments and including the score I gave... maybe more could do this?
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06/24/2002 08:10:39 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by hokie:
People voting.....listen..please.
It has been said before but it iw worht repeating.
Commenting with a question isn't going to do a lot of good.
I write questions as parts of comments a lot...I like to think it's helpful to give the photographer an idea of what the viewer thinks of when looking at the photo. If the question pops into my head "what the hell is that?" or "where is that lovely light coming from?" it's not because I expect an answer, it's just to give the photographer an idea of what questions come up when looking at the work so he/she can decide if they'd like for viewers to be able to answer those, or if they'd rather leave it so they can decide for themselves.
Most of my comments are fairly stream of conscoiusness anyway.
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06/24/2002 08:14:56 AM · #4 |
I take your comments more seriously because of the way you vote. (Thanks).
And to the Morons who are giving 1̢۪s, perhaps they think a 1 is best????
Maybe we need to label the 1-10 scale. 1=lowest & 10=highest.
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06/24/2002 05:35:31 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Gotcha:
...Maybe we need to label the 1-10 scale. 1=lowest & 10=highest.
There is a label already |
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06/24/2002 07:05:49 PM · #6 |
| I'd like to add that posting a comment that you don't think the challenge was met is just as useless. If you want to vote it down because you don't see how it met the challenge fine, I disagree with it but hey its your vote. However dont bother telling me you don't think it met the challenge - I did think it met the challenge whther you do or not (and I think most people entering would agree that they feel they met the challenge in their mind) telling me that your voting me low simply because you can't see how it relates only annoys me, it doesn't help me become a better photographer in any way since it isnt a constructive criticism. Maybe it would help me do better in the challenge, but I'm not interested if I have to limit my interpretation of the challenge. |
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06/24/2002 07:12:40 PM · #7 |
No one has to limit their interpretations of a challenge. If I commented on your photo as not meeting the challenge, it's because I didn't find your relationship to it. That's what separates these 'challenges' from any normal open photo competition. If I vote low or high, I always try to include the reason for it in the comment.
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06/24/2002 07:28:17 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by rjhawkin:
Originally posted by Gotcha:
[i]...Maybe we need to label the 1-10 scale. 1=lowest & 10=highest.
There is a label already[/i]
I don't see a label.......
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Thats it.
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06/24/2002 07:29:39 PM · #9 |
What we are debating at times is interpretation of something that is almost impossible to interpret until you can see the artist behind the photo.
I never question if someone is or is not moved by a photo. Some people like country music, some blues, some classical etc. I hope we have room here for all approaches.
If one person sees something I did and says "Wow, that is the coolest thing I saw this week" even though a hundred other people thought it sucked that is probably worth more than a hundred folks saying.."Yeah..it's ok..I'll rate it above average".
Only time I get nervous is when the hundred people that thought the photo sucked wants to grab the one person that liked it and beat them into submission :-) |
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06/24/2002 07:40:26 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Gotcha:
Originally posted by rjhawkin:
[i]Originally posted by Gotcha:
[i]...Maybe we need to label the 1-10 scale. 1=lowest & 10=highest.
There is a label already[/i]
I don't see a label.......
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Thats it.
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Where I see it, it says:
Very bad 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Very Good
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06/24/2002 07:47:29 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
No one has to limit their interpretations of a challenge. If I commented on your photo as not meeting the challenge, it's because I didn't find your relationship to it. That's what separates these 'challenges' from any normal open photo competition. If I vote low or high, I always try to include the reason for it in the comment.
But just because you couldnt find the relationship doesnt mean I didn't have one. I submitted because I felt it met the challenge - you telling me that you didnt think it did doesnt help me make a better picture, become more creative, or improve anything.
Im sorry but I found the shadow picture set rather uninspired (although I did like many of the pics). The first thing I did was think about all the ways shadow could be interpreted and damn theres a lot of ways not showing up in this challenge, shadow of death, shadow of a doubt, the shadow of debt, shadow government, one that did show up in the forums with a darker duplicate sheep (which was a very nice phot not submitted because of the narrowmindedness of the voters and that the photographer cared about it, etc...
If you dont understand how it met the challenge fine.
However, I think is somewhat condecending to have someone tell me I didnt meet the challenge, since if I didnt think I was doing so I wouldn't submit it. |
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06/24/2002 07:57:00 PM · #12 |
What jm is saying (which he has said before :-) and I agree with his right to feel this way ) that the photo didn't speak to him of shadows.
My way of dealing with this is I never give a 1 or a 2 anymore. I give you at least a 3 for simply trying to meet the challenge by submitting something for me to think about.
After that I just let the photo have a go at trying to get at me. That may mean colors, shapes, contrast, great challenge angle, incredible camera technique or whatever.
I see a lot of folks doing the same thing in not so many word I think. |
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06/24/2002 08:22:40 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I have started signing my comments and including the score I gave... maybe more could do this?
I for one appreciate your doing that. From reading your post here, I was able to place a 'voice' and value to the words.
BTW, I warned y'all it would be dark and fuzzy. *grin* JM have you had any further thoughts on why you didn't like it? So many didn't. sigh. It's so much better than what I posted first.
aelith
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06/24/2002 08:38:59 PM · #14 |
IMO dpchallenge is a different slant on taking pictures for their artistic merit, technical brilliance or emotive content.
The point of the challenge is to interpret the subject in a way that the audience can identify and relate to. Tat is the Challenge! If the photo is artistic, technically flawless and emotive all the better.
The voting and comments are an excellent guide to how well the photographer achieves this. Wether or not the photographer thought that it met the challenge really has no relevance.
(steps down off the soapbox) |
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06/24/2002 08:45:22 PM · #15 |
Be glad for any comment you left. A question is valid. If someone says. What is this about? You may want to try to be more literal next time. If someone says, this does not fit the challenge, try to fit the challenge better.
If you are not scoring as well as you would like, try to make sure your next photo answers the questions, or meets the challenge.
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06/24/2002 09:07:11 PM · #16 |
I don't mind the questions as much as the negative comments about how the picture SHOULD have been done. I actually do think about the pictures I take, and if the camera is tilted or there's noise present or part of the subject is obscured then there's probably a reason for it. Even if the reason is just that I found it more interesting.
Of course that doesn't mean that anyone else has to like my decision, but stating that there is something wrong or bad about it suggests that there is one and only one way to take good pictures (which is definitely not the case). I appreciate people making suggestions or even telling me when they disagree with my artistic decisions but out and out saying that it's wrong is just annoying. |
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06/24/2002 09:37:22 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Zeissman:
Be glad for any comment you left. A question is valid. If someone says. What is this about? You may want to try to be more literal next time. If someone says, this does not fit the challenge, try to fit the challenge better.
If you are not scoring as well as you would like, try to make sure your next photo answers the questions, or meets the challenge.
Umm No.
I'm not going to change my veiw on the challenge just because someone else says it doesn't fit, and I think someone who did is trying to conform to something in the worst possible way. Frankly I dont care about the score, I like the helpful comments (too few and far between though they are), and the people that get it are always nice to hear from.
But I'm not going to change the way I veiw the world for some non-prize. I'm only interested in this because it gives me material to think about to come up with interesting photos, the 'prize' i think reduces the value rather than increasing it. I hope you're not changing how you view the world to try to please everyone else who's voting.
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06/24/2002 10:35:13 PM · #18 |
Well, that is an interesting story, Puppet10, But I do not see what it has to do with this site. I, along with most of the people here, I'm sure, enjoy trying to meet these challenges and are interested in trying to create images that appeal to a wide audience. There is no shame in that, and that in itself does not mean that I am selling out or am not being true to myself and my style. I think what people say, good or bad is worth listening to but that doesn't mean I am not able to think for myself and decide what works for me. I hope I am never that closed minded. Of course I can still be happy with my work if nobody ever saw it but it is just plain fun to share it with others and to try to create images that lots of people can enjoy. I personally will welcome all comments and will not try to suggest to people what the should or should not say to me.
Tim
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06/24/2002 10:41:09 PM · #19 |
I actually like the fact that since joining dpchallenge, I am viewing the world in a different way. I am trying to shed the conformist attitude that as been forced into me since childhood. I am now starting to look at colours,lighting, shapes and structure in a whole new way. I find the whole experience quite refreshing.
On the subject of scores and comments, I have to take the good with the bad. As individuals we are all entitled to our own opinion which in most cases will not be that of others. This does not upset me unless the comment as no basis i.e. slagging of for the sake of it.
Like jmsetzler, I also sign and score my comments. At least that way the reader can make a judgement on how worthy my comment is. They may feel that " That Dogman can't take photos to save his life" in which case discard it, or they may feel "Dogman, yes,I like some of his photos" he may have a point. Its up to you to decide
I know for a fact that I rate Johns comments highly and quite a few others. Take it on the chin, keep smiling and enjoy. Remember, you don't win a car or $10,000. This site is about having fun with your hobbie and for us less accomplished photographers, about picking up crumbs of information that may improve us. ;-)
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