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12/01/2008 07:28:19 AM · #101 |
You have rated 171 of 171 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 9 images (5%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.9532.
So masters, you need to repay us, please go to any other challange and vote us all 10s :) |
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12/01/2008 07:28:47 AM · #102 |
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
Sorry to slap your ego, but, this is after all my opinion among thousands of members.
I am sure some one else may think genius on the imagery to help sooth my slap. |
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:
You are most definatly entitled to your opinion. But sometimes opinions are better kept to oneself. And please
don't concern yourself with offending my ego. I'll be the first to admit that most of my stuff is mediocre at best. Perhaps your ego got a slap when you weren't invited to participate in this particular challenge and your low scoring reflects a bit of animosity. Then maybe you're a Master critic and I'm terribly mistaken. If the latter is to be the real reason, then please do accept my sincere apology. |
He's right.
I'm surprised, truth be told, but when you consider the level of anticipation and expectation, what are the chances of there being 170+ spectacular images?
I'm sitting fat & sassy on a 5.3xxx, and it's probably not terribly far off the mark.
It was a somewhat risky venture for this venue.
Had I submitted the original unedited image, I would be hard pressed to move over a 4.0, and my reason for entering in the first place was twofold......to do so because it was one of my goals, and to showcase how much I've learned since being here.
My image is nicely edited from the raw material, I'm happy with the result, and it IS a good example of my improvement......in my own way, on my own level, it is a "Master"-ful piece of work.
Comparatively? That's another story.
Hey, Thom tells ugly truths.....nobody wants to hear them some days, but I hardly think it's motivated out of any shattered ego about his own scores.
Personally, I'm amazed at the way he takes the time out of his life to continue his "The Photographer" thread.
I'm seeing that as an indication of how he knows exactly where he stands in the big picture in the real world.
Anyone with the kind of vast exposure to the world's finest artists certainly knows some humility, don't you think?
Dude!!! Where DO you find the time??????.....8>)
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12/01/2008 07:42:44 AM · #103 |
Expected it to be a tad bit higher but not bad for my first photo in two months (and waiting till the last day lol)
Votes: 96
Views: 203
Avg Vote: 6.2813
Comments: 4
Favorites: 1
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12/01/2008 07:45:16 AM · #104 |
My basic goal was to not embarrass myself in this company. My stretch-goal was to make the top 50%. I think I̢۪ve met the first but this score may not make the second.
Votes: 90
Views: 162
Avg Vote: 6.4111
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 12/01/08 12:10 pm
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12/01/2008 07:46:16 AM · #105 |
~6ish
fun to recognize styles / pictures & etc .. |
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12/01/2008 07:53:55 AM · #106 |
Bah! You didn't take into account the square root of the emotion integral multiplied by the brown ribbon equivalence derivative.
Originally posted by Larus:
You really suck at math, 5.6 would be a 4.6 :)
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by hotpasta:
6.8 could be the new 5.8 in this challenge... :) |
So then ... 5.6 is the new 3?
Votes: 75
Views: 132
Avg Vote: 5.6933 |
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12/01/2008 07:54:27 AM · #107 |
100-vote check-in
Votes: 100
Views: 170
Avg Vote: 6.8200
Comments: 4
Favorites: 1
(that's over a full point above my November FS entry) |
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12/01/2008 07:59:24 AM · #108 |
Keep your expectations low and you'll never be dissapointed...I always say. ;)
There are some nice shots. Much of the same you'd see up in the Top 20-30 of any regular big Challenge or Free Study but I'm a little bummed that some people served up the same old perenial winners in their arsenal. Not much new in the bunch but above average, I guess.
I'm reserving my 10(s) this time around, since we're judging the top doggies in town. I found one so far...mmmmmaybe.
Message edited by author 2008-12-01 13:00:25. |
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12/01/2008 08:01:38 AM · #109 |
Votes: 100
Views: 162
Avg Vote: 6.5000
Comments: 4
Favorites: 1
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12/01/2008 08:13:35 AM · #110 |
I've voted on about 25% so far, so I'm hoping the next 75% will prove me wrong, but. ..
The overall quality is about what I expected to see it be. There are some nice shots in there.
What disappointed me is that I was hoping (for some reason, couldn't explain why, if I had to) that there would be some of the atypical stuff in there.
One of the main reasons people give for leaving is that they have "outgrown" dpc and/or that they are doing new things that are "dpc friendly."
I was harboring the secret desire that those people would enter the shots that typically don't do well so that perhaps a teeny-tiny step would be made to broadening what is known as a "dpc-friendly" entry.
Sadly, it would seem that most of the 25% I've seen entered what they thought would do well. Again, I've still got 3/4s to go, so maybe I can edit this to say that I was pitifully wrong.
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12/01/2008 08:17:03 AM · #111 |
You have rated 70 of 171 images (41%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 1 images (1%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 7.2571.
I'm so BAD at voting!! I keep thinking of how awful I feel about what the update button's giving me...lol.
Will keep voting -- looks really great, y'all! |
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12/01/2008 08:22:47 AM · #112 |
Originally posted by karmat:
One of the main reasons people give for leaving is that they have "outgrown" dpc and/or that they are doing new things that are "dpc friendly."
I was harboring the secret desire that those people would enter the shots that typically don't do well so that perhaps a teeny-tiny step would be made to broadening what is known as a "dpc-friendly" entry.
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Not to hijack or flip the thread but I think a Juired Challenge would be the ONLY way to break out of the "same old...same old". Perhaps this Challenge proves it.
The same pool of voters will draw the same images that have always done well with that crowd. A seasoned jury who's seen'em all (100 times)will not be overly impressed with things that have been done time and time again.
eta: I didn't enter this one because getting stomped by the exact same images that I always get stomped by, pays very low dividends. I assume my absolute best, most agressive image in my entire year, wounldn't scrape the Top 30 with the same voters. In a Juried Challenge, I stand a chance of competeting.
eta 2: You may NEVER get back the old folks who have moved on (probably for good) BUT it's not to late to start nurturing in a new era.
Message edited by author 2008-12-01 13:36:06. |
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12/01/2008 08:28:20 AM · #113 |
Originally posted by karmat:
What disappointed me is that I was hoping (for some reason, couldn't explain why, if I had to) that there would be some of the atypical stuff in there. One of the main reasons people give for leaving is that they have "outgrown" dpc and/or that they are doing new things that are "dpc friendly."
I was harboring the secret desire that those people would enter the shots that typically don't do well so that perhaps a teeny-tiny step would be made to broadening what is known as a "dpc-friendly" entry. |
I think maybe that at that transcendent point of outgrowing competition, you've out-grown competition. So the people who've really moved on have really moved on and aren't going to come rushing back in droves, just because the challenge says 'masters' ?
I don't know what the stats are in terms of people who haven't entered in a while entering this time around, but there are no doubt plenty of people in the current masters category and challenge who are still regularly entering images that do well in the typical style.
455 eligible to enter, 171 entries.
Message edited by author 2008-12-01 13:47:10. |
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12/01/2008 08:31:31 AM · #114 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by karmat:
One of the main reasons people give for leaving is that they have "outgrown" dpc and/or that they are doing new things that are "dpc friendly."
I was harboring the secret desire that those people would enter the shots that typically don't do well so that perhaps a teeny-tiny step would be made to broadening what is known as a "dpc-friendly" entry.
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Not to hijack or flip the thread but I think a Juried Challenge would be the ONLY way to break out of the "same old...same old". Perhaps this Challenge proves it.
The same pool of voters will draw the same images that have always done well with that crowd. A seasoned jury who's seen'em all (100 times) will not be overly impressed with things that have been done time and time again. |
I concur.
[back to your regularly scheduled scores] |
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12/01/2008 08:43:16 AM · #115 |
Originally posted by karmat:
I've voted on about 25% so far, so I'm hoping the next 75% will prove me wrong, but. ..
The overall quality is about what I expected to see it be. There are some nice shots in there.
What disappointed me is that I was hoping (for some reason, couldn't explain why, if I had to) that there would be some of the atypical stuff in there.
One of the main reasons people give for leaving is that they have "outgrown" dpc and/or that they are doing new things that are "dpc friendly."
I was harboring the secret desire that those people would enter the shots that typically don't do well so that perhaps a teeny-tiny step would be made to broadening what is known as a "dpc-friendly" entry.
Sadly, it would seem that most of the 25% I've seen entered what they thought would do well. Again, I've still got 3/4s to go, so maybe I can edit this to say that I was pitifully wrong.
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I've voted almost 80%, and I can tell you that it's still same ol' same ol'. I, as well, was hoping like mad to see some wonderfully atypical stuff. Outside of 4 or 5 images so far, that isn't happening. It just goes to show that you can take the good photographers away from DPC, but you can't take the DPC away from the good photographers ;) |
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12/01/2008 08:47:39 AM · #116 |
I have to echo some of the sentiments expressed below...
I gave out 5 'nines', 25 'eights', and 44'sevens' on my first look through, and there are indeed some awesome shots in there, but there are also a heck of lot of shots that I was frankly surprised to see in a challenge like this.
I thought of this challenge as being an opportunity to go out and take the best, most interesting photo you could muster up in a months time, and I just feel like a lot of the images are very uninspired, snapshot-ish, and even technically flawed.
Just surprising to see them in a "masters free study". And I'm not claiming to be a master- I got the requisite ribbon count by virtue of the high volume of shots I've submitted to this site, I'm just saying I feel like a lot of "Masters" didn't really give their best effort this time around - I was expecting each image to be something special. |
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12/01/2008 08:49:23 AM · #117 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
I think maybe that at that transcendent point of outgrowing competition, you've out-grown competition. So the people who've really moved on have really moved on and aren't going to come rushing back in droves, just because the challenge says 'masters' ?
I don't know what the stats are in terms of people who haven't entered in a while entering this time around, but there are no doubt plenty of people in the current masters category and challenge who are still regularly entering images that do well in the typical style. |
I agree. People who are gone are probably gone.
Generally, people that win multiple Ribbons don't shoot to lose. There are some people that don't care that much about wining but I assume enough do care to the point where you see them stay within that pocket of sureness.
Given the security of being able to move away from safe zones you may see some interesting stuff happen. There's NO way the general voting population will allow for that. |
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12/01/2008 08:51:34 AM · #118 |
Originally posted by karmat:
What disappointed me is that I was hoping (for some reason, couldn't explain why, if I had to) that there would be some of the atypical stuff in there. |
The trouble is that you know what sort of shots the voters like and so if you want to score well you generally need to give them that. I'm all for atypical stuff but it gets you down when you see sub 4 votes all the time. I'd like to see the problem resolved but I don't know how :( |
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12/01/2008 08:57:36 AM · #119 |
| I wonder if any of you think my shot is the ordinary ones. :) I wish I had more than one comment :P |
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12/01/2008 08:59:54 AM · #120 |
Originally posted by Nuzzer:
The trouble is that you know what sort of shots the voters like and so if you want to score well you generally need to give them that. I'm all for atypical stuff but it gets you down when you see sub 4 votes all the time. I'd like to see the problem resolved but I don't know how :( |
It's simple. Stop caring about the score. It's also very difficult, if you aren't there yet.
I remember reading about that progression - you learn the camera, you take pictures seeking approval, copying styles, emulating other work, then maybe you get to a point of making pictures because you have something to say. Or making pictures because you can't not make pictures. At that point, the approval (cf. score) doesn't matter, at least, not so much. The images matter more than what other people think. But once you are around that point, you maybe don't go looking for approval so much any more (so entering contests isn't really very interesting)
Most the more engaging photography I see these days are parts of series or combined in projects. I'm not entirely convinced that the sort of images that get made would stand out well in isolation. There are stand out images within those of course, but the whole is often much greater than the pieces. Pulling them out in isolation doesn't work. The idea of a 'greatest hit' image gets a bit boring.
I had a series of portraits that worked well together - when I showed them as a group people got the point of them. If I showed one in isolation, comments were always directed at how different it was - but in combination with others that were similar, the comments shifted to what the images were actually about.
In my mind it is often the difference between the sorts of images you see in a coffee shop display vs. what you see in a gallery. The coffee shop often contains a set of disconnected images, the only common thread being they were all taken by one photographer. Usually they are all over the map in subjects and/or styles - much like you see in a typical DPC challenge or even portfolio. The gallery shows are usually consistent and cohesive across the images, expressing an idea, exploring a theme from different angles. A concept work, rather than a greatest hits album.
Message edited by author 2008-12-01 14:06:38. |
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12/01/2008 09:01:38 AM · #121 |
So one person complains that the site is too technically oriented, and another that some of the entries are technically flawed.
I'm tired of the over-concern with scores.
Thank you,
-Larry Who Needs Sleep
EDIT: Like Gordon said. :-)
Message edited by author 2008-12-01 14:02:22. |
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12/01/2008 09:21:20 AM · #122 |
I'll stick by my comment: If you have blur or soft focus or over/under exposure in your image and you didn't intend it, then your image is technically flawed and that is not good. That is NOT to say that those aforementioned 'flaws' can't be used intentionally/creatively/artistically, but when it looks accidental, then yes, I think it deserves a lower vote because we should aspire to have mastery over our cameras and what we do with them.
One last thing about votes - Votes tell you how people respond aesthetically to your image - not how deep it is or how worthy your image is of being put in the Louvre. I agree with Gordon - stop caring about the vote - unless you are interested in mastering the technical aspects of photography and improving your images to the point of being pleasing to a mass audience. I for one am seeing if I can reach THAT level before I move forward, much like painters are encouraged to prove they can master the established art techniques before they go off and create their own.
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12/01/2008 09:26:33 AM · #123 |
100 vote check in
Votes: 100
Views: 184
Avg Vote: 6.3600
Comments: 7
Favorites: 0
Some great comments, was hoping for a higher score though.
Karmat - Totally different shot than anything I've ever done or even seen here. Hours and hours of prep, shooting, and processing. I didn't enter a challenge for an entire month preparing for this one. Not much incentive to go outside the box these days if you are looking to score well.
Not complaining really. The shot come out exactly as I had in mind. Used some PP techniques that are new to me.
I agree with your thoughts on this, but it is hard for people to break out when there is no payback in the scoring.
And as uncool as it appears to be, I do want a good score on my images, even if I am shooting for someting other than typical.
Message edited by author 2008-12-01 14:26:59. |
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12/01/2008 09:32:51 AM · #124 |
I am currently at a 6.7. Although my shot my not be atypical for everyone, I tried to do something new for me. Technically, it is unlike any picture I have submitted in the past and I'm proud of it.
I think some of the "great ones" who have been here and left have used this site as a stepping stool for bigger and better things... and most of them could do it because they are actually photographers by trade. Most of us seem to be photographers by "free time" and this site is how we express ourselves and get our virtual awards. If you are a photographer by trade then you really don't need this site to get that little pat on the back that we all need. Hope that makes sense...
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12/01/2008 09:34:00 AM · #125 |
Votes: 100
Views: 210
Avg Vote: 6.9100
Comments: 14
Favorites: 2
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 12/01/08 02:18 pm
And no guesses of "yanko" either. If this holds up it'll be mission accomplished. |
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