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10/23/2008 07:58:03 AM · #201 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
That puts Obama in the certifiable clinical genius category.
Obama's campaign is apparently NOT HAPPY about The Washington Post preparing
to disclose this, |
There's a pretty apparent, strong anti-intellectual bias in the US and
particularly in the US political process.
I never thought being stupid was considered a valuable criteria to be a leader
until I ended up over here, but it seems to be held in high regard by a lot of
voters in the US. |
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10/23/2008 08:00:24 AM · #202 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
I'm sure all those wall street guys that got us into this economic mess are pretty intelligent to. Intelligence is a requirement to be president but in my opinion and while I'm sure Obama may be more intelligent than McCain I don't think the "intelligence factor" should matter that much. |
Shoot me NOW! |
That's the joy of living in a democracy/ republic. Everyone gets to vote, no matter how smart or how stupid and they all get to have opinions. Lots of opinions. |
I vote...No Joy!
I love the country but some of my fellow citizens really dissapoint. Those Town Hall meetings are some skeeery stuff.
BTW that comedy link I posted above has the video footage of McCain singing...
" Bomb, bomb, bomb...Bomb, bomb-Iran (to the tune of Barbara Ann by the Beach Boys).
Awesome!
eta: Living in NYC I know my fair share of Wall Street dudes and dudettes and a good deal of them are morons. A lot of overpaid pigs BUT there are a few that do know their shizzle. I wouldn't and don't trust any of them with my money.
Message edited by author 2008-10-23 12:25:00. |
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10/23/2008 08:32:10 AM · #203 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by zeuszen:
That puts Obama in the certifiable clinical genius category.
Obama's campaign is apparently NOT HAPPY about The Washington Post preparing
to disclose this, |
There's a pretty apparent, strong anti-intellectual bias in the US and
particularly in the US political process.
I never thought being stupid was considered a valuable criteria to be a leader
until I ended up over here, but it seems to be held in high regard by a lot of
voters in the US. |
And in Canada. We just elected a Prime Minister whose campaign ran largely on denigrating the intellectual background of Dion, his main rival, a professor and academic. An ad at their website, which they wound up having to apologize for, showed Dion in front of a blackboard lecturing an unseen class. They put words in his mouth that mocked his education and his intelligence, and at the end of it, a bird flies overhead and craps on him.
That is our current government. |
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10/23/2008 08:33:58 AM · #204 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
I lost the source-link, but here's a little info regarding Obama's potential IQ... |
Shhh! Intelligence bad. One a them liberal thangs. We gotta have a pro-America hero patriot in case somebody attacks us on the unemployment line. You betcha. He gots experience to make changes cuz he's already been there for, like, 26 years just waiting to shake things up. Yessiree. Maverick! Joe the Six Pack ain't gonna be living in no commie socialist country cuz we're gonna make sure money goes to rich people like AIG executives where it belongs. Country first! Cities next. |
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10/23/2008 08:34:12 AM · #205 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by zeuszen:
That puts Obama in the certifiable clinical genius category.
Obama's campaign is apparently NOT HAPPY about The Washington Post preparing
to disclose this, |
There's a pretty apparent, strong anti-intellectual bias in the US and
particularly in the US political process.
I never thought being stupid was considered a valuable criteria to be a leader
until I ended up over here, but it seems to be held in high regard by a lot of
voters in the US. |
When darkness surrounds us for long, it becomes familiar and the light blinds us. Plato's cave. |
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10/23/2008 08:39:15 AM · #206 |
Originally posted by Louis:
...And in Canada... They put words in his mouth that mocked his education and his intelligence, and at the end of it, a bird flies overhead and craps on him.
That is our current government. |
I recognize the crap. Bird too. |
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10/23/2008 08:52:50 AM · #207 |
Stupidity has become a virtue.
I keep thinking the US will become a 3rd World Country if we continue down the path we're on. Maybe not that bad (?) but we will we always be a shell of what we once were...and perhaps that's a good thing.
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" - John Blutarski (John Belushi- Animal House)
eta: Zeuszen is quoting Plato and I'm quoting Animal House. Do I feel kinda like Sarah Palin?
"You betcha"
Message edited by author 2008-10-23 12:58:37. |
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10/23/2008 09:20:49 AM · #208 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
I lost the source-link, but here's a little info regarding Obama's potential IQ:
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Not that I don't believe Obama is really intelligent, but I would caution an IQ reading from age 5 or 6. It is likely that at that age environmental forces could provide quite a bit of "noise" to the number. I would be much more impressed with an adult scoring 167 than a child. 6 people in 100,000 would be expected to have an IQ of 164. 1.4 people in 100,000 would be expected to have an IQ of 167. |
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10/23/2008 09:25:43 AM · #209 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I would caution an IQ reading from age 5 or 6. It is likely that at that age environmental forces could provide quite a bit of "noise" to the number. |
The other number was from high school, and pretty close to the first result. |
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10/23/2008 09:39:04 AM · #210 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I would caution an IQ reading from age 5 or 6. It is likely that at that age environmental forces could provide quite a bit of "noise" to the number. |
The other number was from high school, and pretty close to the first result. |
Ah, I missed that. Well, a score of 166 in high school is pretty impressive. Now intelligence naturally needs to be couples with knowledge and wisdom, but I'll take a Pres with an IQ of 166 any day! |
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10/23/2008 10:28:13 AM · #211 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by zeuszen:
That puts Obama in the certifiable clinical genius category.
Obama's campaign is apparently NOT HAPPY about The Washington Post preparing
to disclose this, |
There's a pretty apparent, strong anti-intellectual bias in the US and
particularly in the US political process.
I never thought being stupid was considered a valuable criteria to be a leader
until I ended up over here, but it seems to be held in high regard by a lot of
voters in the US. |
And in Canada. We just elected a Prime Minister whose campaign ran largely on denigrating the intellectual background of Dion, his main rival, a professor and academic. An ad at their website, which they wound up having to apologize for, showed Dion in front of a blackboard lecturing an unseen class. They put words in his mouth that mocked his education and his intelligence, and at the end of it, a bird flies overhead and craps on him.
That is our current government. |
I'm embarrassed Louis, please stop spreading real facts about our the west's government. ;] |
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10/23/2008 10:33:12 AM · #212 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
I don't want someone just learning about the world and foreign policy to be in charge at this critical time in our history. |
Then your greatest fear should be a Republican win followed by a sudden health problem... |
Here's a little comedy short that mentions "on the job training" a few times and bunch of juicy quotes regarding the economy, foreign policy and so on...
You can run but you can't hide. |
ROFLMAO!!!!!!
That's the funniest clip I've ever seen! Even funnier than the funniest stupid Bush clips!
Message edited by author 2008-10-23 14:34:35. |
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10/23/2008 11:36:38 AM · #213 |
Originally posted by cynthiann:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
I don't want someone just learning about the world and foreign policy to be in charge at this critical time in our history. |
Then your greatest fear should be a Republican win followed by a sudden health problem... |
Here's a little comedy short that mentions "on the job training" a few times and bunch of juicy quotes regarding the economy, foreign policy and so on...
You can run but you can't hide. |
ROFLMAO!!!!!!
That's the funniest clip I've ever seen! Even funnier than the funniest stupid Bush clips! |
There is one on George Bush that's hysterical but the one on Michael Moore is probably the best of all.
They go through, Michael Jackson, Jessica Simpson, 50 Cent... |
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10/23/2008 01:40:39 PM · #214 |
Amazing that THIS never made it on the air!
All credit for this link goes to  tpbremer. I am just moving it here from a locked thread. |
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10/23/2008 02:58:38 PM · #215 |
Hmmm IQ ? Maybe his IQ is 200. What I want to see is his Thesis from college.
I wonder why he won't show us that?
Originally posted by zeuszen:
I lost the source-link, but here's a little info regarding Obama's potential IQ:
Is Obama's IQ The Highest Certified Of Any President Ever?
As was noted earlier hits morning on Sirius Left, the former
Guidance Counselor of Obama's private Hawaiian school
has supplied The Washington Post with a certified copy of
Obama's Stanford-Banai IQ Certification, one of which was taken in 1966 when
he was a kindergardener in Hawaii before moving to Indonesia, and one which
was taken as entrance protocol as a freshman in his private (extremely
exclusive) Honolulu private highschool.
His IQ was clocked at 172 and 166 respectively (IQ's normally have a
fluctuation of 6 or 7 points from test to test so that discrepency is
normal).
That puts Obama in the certifiable clinical genius category.
Obama's campaign is apparently NOT HAPPY about The Washington Post preparing
to disclose this, because they fear it adds to his reputation as no an
"everyman" and being too "professorial".
But that aside...if elected, does this make Obama, the retainer of the
highest certified IQ of any president in American history? |
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10/23/2008 04:09:15 PM · #216 |
I have a question, it's not really a rant, but I found this thread and thought I might be able to get an answer from some of you.
Is there anywhere/anyone you can ask about what's going to be on the ballot this year?
It seems like every time I go to vote there are a bunch of other people (like judges) and things like some conservation something or other, that I can vote for. I'm not big on surprises so I thought that I could prepare myself for what would be on the ballot, but I can't find any information.
If anyone could point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it. |
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10/23/2008 04:11:15 PM · #217 |
| I will reply as a whole to all who have derided me for my comments on the relative intelligence of the two presidential candidates. I will point out that if pure academic intelligence were the only factor I would vote for Obama. The problem is that it is not the only factor to consider. I think that John McCain has more than enough intelligence to be president of the United States. Is Obama MORE intelligent? Perhaps. Intelligence in itself however is not and cannot be the deciding factor unless one candidate is a moron. I honestly believe that I am as intelligent as Obama. I don't however believe I would make a good president. There are so many other factors that MUST weigh in to a choice in this pivotal matter. If intelligence were the key factor then we should want a scientist who is on the leading edge of research to be our president.. I don't think we do. As I tell to my daughter and son, it is not the one who is the smartest who always succeeds but it is the one who is more dedicated and has put in the groundwork to achieve success that most often has a better outcome. I think this holds true for the office of president of the United States as well. John McCain has put in the groundwork and has a lifetime of experience in the matters of government and foreign policy. Obama does not. Smart does not make up for experience IMO. You can be the smartest kid on the block but if you lack knowledge of a particular area you won't do well on the test. Biden assures us that there will be a test. I don't trust that Obama would not fail. |
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10/23/2008 04:20:28 PM · #218 |
Originally posted by icu1965:
I have a question, it's not really a rant, but I found this thread and thought I might be able to get an answer from some of you.
Is there anywhere/anyone you can ask about what's going to be on the ballot this year?
It seems like every time I go to vote there are a bunch of other people (like judges) and things like some conservation something or other, that I can vote for. I'm not big on surprises so I thought that I could prepare myself for what would be on the ballot, but I can't find any information.
If anyone could point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it. |
try Ballotpedia
It isn't going to give you a breakdown of the judges, but it should at least provide a list of the state inititives.
ETA: Colorado has a nice thing called the blue book. Basically it lays out the inititives and judges, pretty much 90% of what will appear on the state ballot, and also provides a discussion of the ballot presented from both sides of an issue. It also gives a summary of the judges and their "profile" from the state judiciary board.
Message edited by author 2008-10-23 20:24:02. |
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10/23/2008 04:28:16 PM · #219 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
I will reply as a whole to all who have derided me for my comments on the relative intelligence of the two presidential candidates. I will point out that if pure academic intelligence were the only factor I would vote for Obama. The problem is that it is not the only factor to consider. I think that John McCain has more than enough intelligence to be president of the United States. Is Obama MORE intelligent? Perhaps. Intelligence in itself however is not and cannot be the deciding factor unless one candidate is a moron. I honestly believe that I am as intelligent as Obama. I don't however believe I would make a good president. There are so many other factors that MUST weigh in to a choice in this pivotal matter. If intelligence were the key factor then we should want a scientist who is on the leading edge of research to be our president.. I don't think we do. As I tell to my daughter and son, it is not the one who is the smartest who always succeeds but it is the one who is more dedicated and has put in the groundwork to achieve success that most often has a better outcome. I think this holds true for the office of president of the United States as well. John McCain has put in the groundwork and has a lifetime of experience in the matters of government and foreign policy. Obama does not. Smart does not make up for experience IMO. You can be the smartest kid on the block but if you lack knowledge of a particular area you won't do well on the test. Biden assures us that there will be a test. I don't trust that Obama would not fail. |
* Disclaimer: What follows is only my personal opinion. Nobody should get influenced with this. *
McCain thinks like and for the rich brats. Obama thinks from and for the grassroot. I dont think we need an experienced military leader who goes on aggression everytime he is challenged with a problem. Agreed experience does count. But not experience from teh armed forces. If you foresee US to be a war-based-capitalist society, true McCain would be a great president. I just see a different and slightly brighter future for us... away from overseas aggressions and narrowminded values.
Message edited by author 2008-10-23 21:00:47. |
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10/23/2008 04:30:32 PM · #220 |
Originally posted by vxpra:
Originally posted by icu1965:
I have a question, it's not really a rant, but I found this thread and thought I might be able to get an answer from some of you.
Is there anywhere/anyone you can ask about what's going to be on the ballot this year?
It seems like every time I go to vote there are a bunch of other people (like judges) and things like some conservation something or other, that I can vote for. I'm not big on surprises so I thought that I could prepare myself for what would be on the ballot, but I can't find any information.
If anyone could point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it. |
try Ballotpedia
It isn't going to give you a breakdown of the judges, but it should at least provide a list of the state inititives.
ETA: Colorado has a nice thing called the blue book. Basically it lays out the inititives and judges, pretty much 90% of what will appear on the state ballot, and also provides a discussion of the ballot presented from both sides of an issue. It also gives a summary of the judges and their "profile" from the state judiciary board. |
In Florida, a sample ballot was sent in the mail to all registered voters. When we voted in NY, the League of Women Voters mailed out sample ballots. Also, I have seen sample ballots in many newspapers.
Message edited by author 2008-10-23 20:31:21. |
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10/23/2008 04:36:49 PM · #221 |
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
Originally posted by vxpra:
try Ballotpedia
It isn't going to give you a breakdown of the judges, but it should at least provide a list of the state inititives.
ETA: Colorado has a nice thing called the blue book. Basically it lays out the inititives and judges, pretty much 90% of what will appear on the state ballot, and also provides a discussion of the ballot presented from both sides of an issue. It also gives a summary of the judges and their "profile" from the state judiciary board. |
In Florida, a sample ballot was sent in the mail to all registered voters. When we voted in NY, the League of Women Voters mailed out sample ballots. Also, I have seen sample ballots in many newspapers. |
Thanks so much for the quick replies!
LOL, our "sample" ballots, if they're put in the paper, are just that, samples. They never really put who will be on it, it's just a tool to help guide people how to use the ballot. |
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10/23/2008 04:43:02 PM · #222 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
I honestly believe that I am as intelligent as Obama. |
But are you as humble as Obama? ;P (just teasing) |
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10/23/2008 04:51:11 PM · #223 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
John McCain has put in the groundwork and has a lifetime of experience in the matters of government and foreign policy. |
Like what? Surely over the course of 26 years, you can offer some great examples of his foreign policy leadership. Most of what I've seen is downright scary. While you don't have to be the smartest person in the world to be an effective president, you should at least have policies that aren't stupid.
Originally posted by dponlyme:
I honestly believe that I am as intelligent as Obama. |
I was going to commend you for delivering that line with a straight face, but then I checked out your profile pic and remembered it wasn't. ;-) |
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10/23/2008 05:01:08 PM · #224 |
Originally posted by Prash:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
I will reply as a whole to all who have derided me for my comments on the relative intelligence of the two presidential candidates. I will point out that if pure academic intelligence were the only factor I would vote for Obama. The problem is that it is not the only factor to consider. I think that John McCain has more than enough intelligence to be president of the United States. Is Obama MORE intelligent? Perhaps. Intelligence in itself however is not and cannot be the deciding factor unless one candidate is a moron. I honestly believe that I am as intelligent as Obama. I don't however believe I would make a good president. There are so many other factors that MUST weigh in to a choice in this pivotal matter. If intelligence were the key factor then we should want a scientist who is on the leading edge of research to be our president.. I don't think we do. As I tell to my daughter and son, it is not the one who is the smartest who always succeeds but it is the one who is more dedicated and has put in the groundwork to achieve success that most often has a better outcome. I think this holds true for the office of president of the United States as well. John McCain has put in the groundwork and has a lifetime of experience in the matters of government and foreign policy. Obama does not. Smart does not make up for experience IMO. You can be the smartest kid on the block but if you lack knowledge of a particular area you won't do well on the test. Biden assures us that there will be a test. I don't trust that Obama would not fail. |
* Disclaimer: What follows is only my personal opinion. Nobody should get influenced with this. *
McCain thinks like and for the rich brats. Obama thinks from and for the grassroot. I dont think we need an experienced military leader who goes on aggression everytime he is challenged with a problem. Agreed experience does count. But not experience from teh armed forces. If you foresee US to be a war-based-capitalist society, true McCain would be a great president. I just see a different and slightly brighter future for us... away from overseas aggressions and narrowminded values. |
And sorry I have to ask this since you claimed you are as intelligent as Obama. What is your profession? And this is an honest question. I am just curious as to what leads people to forget the fact that intelligence shows itself. |
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10/23/2008 05:27:06 PM · #225 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
John McCain has put in the groundwork and has a lifetime of experience in the matters of government and foreign policy. |
Like what? Surely over the course of 26 years, you can offer some great examples of his foreign policy leadership. Most of what I've seen is downright scary. While you don't have to be the smartest person in the world to be an effective president, you should at least have policies that aren't stupid.
Originally posted by dponlyme:
I honestly believe that I am as intelligent as Obama. |
I was going to commend you for delivering that line with a straight face, but then I checked out your profile pic and remembered it wasn't. ;-) |
That last part was pretty funny... I don't look the brainiest in that picture do I? No I don't have examples of his foreign policy 'leadership' necessarily but the man has been involved in government and knowledgeable about foreign policy for a long time. He has lived the history that Obama can only read about. I think that is a very important factor.
I will be voting for McCain for this reason primarily: National Security. Having said that, there is much to like about Obama. He has all the characteristics of someone who can lead effectively. Wonderful speaking skills, charisma, etc. are his greatest asset. Top that off with a very healthy dose of intelligence and you've got a person capable of persuading the American People to do and think just about anything. A lot of Americans are simply sheep and will follow the voice of 'The One' or 'that one'. Not saying that all Obama supporters are sheep but quite a lot of them are. Intelligent people will look beyond his charisma and see that his economic policies of wealth redistribution are not going to work in a capitalistic society. It will retard the economy and unemployment will increase proportionally. The people who get the 'tax cuts' won't spend the money or invest it because they won't feel secure that they will have a job or that they won't lose it. This in turn will lead to even fewer jobs as all of the money given in these 'tax cuts' will effectively be out of circulation. Everything just spirals down from there. Meanwhile the rich stay basically rich and there are even more people who are poor. At least they will have health insurance... until that becomes unsupportable due to the tax base diminishing. |
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