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09/20/2008 02:20:46 PM · #1 |
A 14 year old girl (the sister of my cousin's friend) was asked if she would be uncomfortable wearing no more than her undergarments at a photography shoot. The girl replied 'no', and was asked to do so, and obeyed. She wishes to become a fashion model.
Before I begin fretting about whether or not I am with-holding information from the police, I should like to know whether this request was legal or illegal.
I understand that I am open to great criticism from people, and I will have to accept that with good grace, but I hope people will not automatically regard me as a fuddy-duddy who wishes to restrict creativity and bombard me with hateful comments. I am a woman concerned about a young girl. |
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09/20/2008 02:24:43 PM · #2 |
Amy, you do not say whether a parent was present, or knows of the incident. Why not start there?
You also do not state the geographical location in which the incident took place. That would be helpful. |
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09/20/2008 02:25:23 PM · #3 |
I'd be concerned too; I don't think this is legal until she is 16 or possibly 18 depending on local laws. Certainly not without written parental consent I'd say and maybe not even then.
Who would want to photograph a 14 year old in their underwear anyways, that seems a tad odd to me.....wouldn't be the first time some weirdo with a snazzy camera has come along to a young girl and promised her a modelling career and set her up in a photo shoot, with the pictures going goodness knows where later on.....
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09/20/2008 02:31:59 PM · #4 |
Unfortunately, I was not informed, whether a parent was there or not. The location is the West Midlands (not certain where you live but I am in England).
Earlier today, I experienced similar difficulties expressing myself, I should be more details, and I thank you for 'filling in the gaps'. Glad (but not relieved) that I am not worrying unnecessarily.
Cannot stop, but will read any further comments tomorrow. |
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09/20/2008 02:35:44 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by concernedcousin:
Unfortunately, I was not informed, whether a parent was there or not. The location is the West Midlands (not certain where you live but I am in England).
Earlier today, I experienced similar difficulties expressing myself, I should be more details, and I thank you for 'filling in the gaps'. Glad (but not relieved) that I am not worrying unnecessarily.
Cannot stop, but will read any further comments tomorrow. |
I'm in Scotland. Here, I think the limit for such photos would likely be 16, even with a parent's consent, though what sort of parent would allow someone to photo their underage child nearly nude is beyond me. Going by her age, I'd say it's almost definitely illegal and perhaps someone should look more deeply into the person offering to take these photos.
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09/20/2008 02:41:19 PM · #6 |
I agree, this really does sound wrong.
Message edited by author 2008-09-20 18:45:02.
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09/20/2008 02:50:43 PM · #7 |
Does anyone find it odd that THe OP and the last respondant have both registered just today to post and respond to this thread? Something doesnt feel right about this thread.
Matt
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09/20/2008 02:53:28 PM · #8 |
I happen to be friends with the person who first posted and thought i'd join in the discussion after i was informed on msn - anything wrong with that?
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09/20/2008 03:03:09 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Until_Proven_Guilty:
I happen to be friends with the person who first posted and thought i'd join in the discussion after i was informed on msn - anything wrong with that? |
No, but I would think that a more appropriate place to be asking these questions would be a)In front of her parents, b)in the offices of your attorney, or c)in a police report.
I am not a fan of those who would throw in jail a parent taking innocent photos of their children playing in the tub, but it seems (based on the very sketchy information given here) that there is cause for concern. You're obviously concerned, so talk to the authorities. |
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09/20/2008 03:09:41 PM · #10 |
I don't like to see innocent people get in trouble.
There is nothing innocent about asking a 14 year old female to strip down and pose in her underwear.
If her parents happened to take a snap shot during a pillow fight, that is innocent. Posing is a whole different matter. |
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09/20/2008 03:12:51 PM · #11 |
"...the sister of my cousin's friend...." right. Reminds me of the 'bring an obscure relative to work day' from Monsters Inc.
I'm skeptical.
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09/20/2008 03:17:00 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Does anyone find it odd that THe OP and the last respondant have both registered just today to post and respond to this thread? Something doesnt feel right about this thread.
Matt |
Me for one!
"the sister of my cousins friend", So you probably heard this at minimum probably third hand. I wonder what the police response to this would be.
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09/20/2008 04:13:09 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Does anyone find it odd that THe OP and the last respondant have both registered just today to post and respond to this thread? Something doesnt feel right about this thread.
Matt |
I don't find it odd at all. Sometimes when I'm searching specific information I find I need to join a site to either access info or to ask questions. Often I get what I need and never return.
This person obviously found us when trying to learn the legalities relating to photography. What *I* find odd is people who are suspicious of every new member... |
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09/20/2008 04:20:19 PM · #14 |
DPC is a logical place to seek information about photography related issues.
Please do not bite the newbies.
If you have a concern, please contact us privately or use Report Post to bring a thread to our attention. Thanks! |
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09/20/2008 04:45:48 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by L2:
DPC is a logical place to seek information about photography related issues.
Please do not bite the newbies.
If you have a concern, please contact us privately or use Report Post to bring a thread to our attention. Thanks! |
Absolutely nothing to do with this person being a newbie. If the question had been asked by a long time member my response would have been similar.
I understand that they would come to a photography forum to ask whether this is legal or not but to be honest they will probably get such a conflicting set of answers that they will be no better off. There are far simpler ways to find out the legalities of the matter.
It also seems a little odd that this person believes it is their responsibility to contact the authorities about something they heard may have happened from their 'cousins sisters best friend'. I'm sure this person has parents, close family friends, personal friends, Aunties, Uncles etc that could help if they are at all concerned.
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09/20/2008 05:01:55 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by dzone1:
It also seems a little odd that this person believes it is their responsibility to contact the authorities about something they heard may have happened from their 'cousins sisters best friend'. |
It was their cousin's friend's sister, not their cousin's sister's friend (because their cousin's sister would be their cousin)
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09/20/2008 05:04:17 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by L2:
Please do not bite the newbies.
Thanks! |
Can we nibble on them just a little????
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09/20/2008 05:12:57 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by JH:
Originally posted by dzone1:
It also seems a little odd that this person believes it is their responsibility to contact the authorities about something they heard may have happened from their 'cousins sisters best friend'. |
It was their cousin's friend's sister, not their cousin's sister's friend (because their cousin's sister would be their cousin) |
True, my mistake... you get that! |
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09/20/2008 05:44:49 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by concernedcousin:
A 14 year old girl (the sister of my cousin's friend) 1)was asked if she would be uncomfortable wearing no more than her undergarments at a photography shoot. 2)The girl replied 'no', and 3)was asked to do so, and 4)obeyed. She wishes to become a fashion model.
Before I begin fretting about whether or not I am with-holding information from the police, I should like to know whether this request was legal or illegal.
I understand that I am open to great criticism from people, and I will have to accept that with good grace, but I hope people will not automatically regard me as a fuddy-duddy who wishes to restrict creativity and bombard me with hateful comments. I am a woman concerned about a young girl. |
I find this very disturbing. Let me explain my points emphasized in bold above.
1. The Photographer took it upon him/herself to initiate an inappropriate question to a minor. (Minors age can vary for country to country but 14 I think would be considered a minor in any country).
2. A minor is not legally able to make such an informed discussion on her own by law.
3. The photographer asked her to do so without the consent of a legal parent or guardian.
4. She obeyed sounds as if the photographers "ask" was more of a "demand" or he/she used their position as a way of making the girl feel she had to do what was told of her to do.
Now I can't say for sure if a legal parent or guardian was there at the time of the shoot but with the OP'er statement it gives me the impression that NO legal parent or guardian was on scene at the time the question was asked, answered, ordered, and obeyed.
To me, even if the photographer had no intention of committing an illegal act, he/she may have done so by poor, irresponsible, and unprofessional actions. Igronace of law holds no defence
A photographer should hold him/herself to the highest degree of professionalism before, during, and after a photo shoot.
Just my opinion.
Message edited by author 2008-09-20 22:01:03. |
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09/20/2008 05:54:23 PM · #20 |
I have to agree with scott.
I think photographing a 14 year old girl with no close on is wrong.
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09/20/2008 06:16:02 PM · #21 |
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09/20/2008 09:32:44 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by LadyTara:
Who would want to photograph a 14 year old in their underwear anyways |
I've narrowed it down to 3 suspects:
Calvin Klein
Abercrombie & Fitch
Some Pervert |
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09/21/2008 05:45:24 AM · #23 |
Excellent responses, I appreciate each one, whether they are critical of me, suspicious of me or suspicious of the photographer, for at least you have taken the time and trouble to read and respond.
Linguistically, I do lack, in the sense that I will often select words which are not necessarily correct (classic example, I thought 'truthfulness' was 'virility' and wrote this in an assignment at university). I am improving however, and will continue to do so with practice. Therefore my posts cannot be analysed through subtleties such as single words.
I can appreciate the opinions of those who believe me to be an interfering busy-body, and respect that perspective fully. The shock of discovering that a 14 year old girl was potentially being groomed overwhelmed me, but rest assured, I am not intending to speak to the police.
The person I agree with most is BeeCee, for this is precisely my situation, I was searching for information, which is why I registered, but thank you to the other respondents as well.
I hope I have not made an abundance of enemies, and I apologise to anyone I have annoyed, angered or offended. |
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09/21/2008 06:19:16 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by LadyTara:
Who would want to photograph a 14 year old in their underwear anyways |
I've narrowed it down to 3 suspects:
Calvin Klein
Abercrombie & Fitch
Some Pervert |
You need to start a comedy tour. |
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09/21/2008 06:20:34 AM · #25 |
Sorry but this is just wrong. If the person can convince her to wear nothing but her underwear, IMO it wouldn't take much to convince her to wear nothing at all.
Message edited by author 2008-09-21 10:21:13. |
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