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06/18/2002 06:50:02 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Gotcha:
I'm Diggin this too,
I was sitting down to write personalized individual thanks notes to all that made comments on my picture. This web-sight has changed quite a bit over the last several days. I can no longer view the individual members. I hope this is a temporary situation...
I was able to go to a profile from the main list, and the links on the vote result page for your photo seem to link to the commenter's profile as well.
Your's was one of my top 4. I appreciate quality art, done not solely "for its own sake," but which can communicate on more than one level. You could submit a reshoot this week... |
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06/18/2002 07:16:35 PM · #27 |
| Thanks GeneralE, I still can't find the main list, or any profiles. Oh Well. |
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06/18/2002 07:21:27 PM · #28 |
If you can see the "menus" at the top of the page, look for the profiles under "Community."
Otherwise, you should send Langdon or Drew a note describing your problem, browser, etc. |
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06/18/2002 07:28:11 PM · #29 |
| Aaaaaw That's the ticket, I'm using a laptop today with an older version of windows. - none of the buttons at the top are available. I'm just a few miles away from you GeneralE(Union City Tonight)-We should go shoot the city life..... Thanks for the help. |
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06/18/2002 08:17:38 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Gotcha:
Aaaaaw That's the ticket, I'm using a laptop today with an older version of windows. - none of the buttons at the top are available...we should go shoot the city life..... Thanks for the help.
Glad to be of help. I'm still thinking about a "city" subject, and I have to go to the "country" this Saturday for a wedding. I wonder what the odds are of our picking the same subject anyway...I better avoid the Transamerica Building! |
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06/18/2002 08:52:38 PM · #31 |
| Do they have cities in the country?? I am headed back to L.A. tomorrow - so knock yourself out - Good Luck |
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06/18/2002 09:34:00 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Gotcha:
Do they have cities in the country?? I am headed back to L.A. tomorrow - so knock yourself out - Good Luck
Maybe I'll submit a photo of the country wedding and just title it "NOT!"
Have a safe trip -- I'll probably be down that way this summer (visit relatives) so maybe I'll ask you about recommended photo-ops then. |
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06/18/2002 10:43:45 PM · #33 |
Yeah, I dont know if anyone read my post (i posted it in current, when i should have put it in this one, oops) but yeah, before I took the picture I did a quick look around as we slowly came up to the crash, the cops were talking to someone and there were no ambulances etc around. It had been awhile since the crash actually happened, so I didn't feel bad about taking the picture. For sure, if i had seen anything that would make it morbid, I would have not taken it.
And i'm already addicted!! I visit the site everyday and go over my votes, check out what people have been talking about.. sooo addictive. My friends and family have heard me talk so much about this (i found this site like, what.. 2 or 3 weeks ago?) they now ask me "so whats the challenge now?" and such. I am SO excited that it is City Life this week! I live in downtown San Jose - perfect! But i'll probably take a crappy shot ;) I gotta learn my camera more. oh well!
Originally posted by karmat:
It's all an illusion. Stick around, though. Before too long, you'll be jaded and hopelessly addicted like the rest of us. :-)
FWIW, I like "Crash." I almost had a picture of a horrendous looking accident the final day of the challenge. A kayak was riding horizontally into the back seat of a SUV. OUCH. I didn't want to use it, though, unless I could find out that everyone was reasonably ok. I couldn't find out, blah, blah, blah.
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06/18/2002 11:20:59 PM · #34 |
| Man can I relate!!! This is my 3rd week and I look everyday. I have larned some things about photography and about myself. I love to have a challenge as I shoot photos all the time. Gives me something to work towards. And LOVE looking at everyone elses work. Now if I can only get the city shot as I live in the middle of nowhere USA. |
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06/19/2002 01:59:16 AM · #35 |
Welcome to both of you. I'm sure you'll find, or are finding, that this site is quite enjoyable and sometimes frustrating at the same time. Probably the most valuable lesson I'm learning from it is how to make my art communicate with an audience. I now understand that no matter what I do, not everyone will "get it" or like how I did it. I also know that's not a bad thing.
-Terry
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06/19/2002 02:58:03 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by Remie:
Originally posted by Dangerous_blues:
[i]I also happen to know which one is yours jm.......Scored it very well, because its a great shot!
Did you vote after you knew or before? Just curious :)[/i]
I voted after I knew. Why? |
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06/19/2002 04:50:05 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by conceptgraphics:
Originally posted by Remie:
[i]Originally posted by Dangerous_blues:
[i]I also happen to know which one is yours jm.......Scored it very well, because its a great shot!
Did you vote after you knew or before? Just curious :)[/i]
I voted after I knew. Why?[/i]
I'm just curious if Dangerous was influenced by it.
In this case jm is a respected member of this site who is making good pictures and is giving good comments. Besides that he's a moderator of this site. I can imagine these are reasons for people to please him and therefor give him higher votes and nice comments. Ofcourse it can also be a reason for people to vote him down, but I think that's more unlikely because people might think that a moderator can monitor everything on this site.
The voting-system on this site is clean and fair because we don't know who the photographers are untill voting has finished and I think it should stay that way. Therefor I just don't agree that photographers reveal their photo (or outtakes) before the voting has finished. Voters can be influenced by it, even ones that say they are not. To prevent any misunderstandings, I'm not saying you or Dangerous where influenced, I'm just saying that it can happen.
Just my opinion.
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06/19/2002 05:01:24 AM · #38 |
I agree with this, with the exception that an outtake that is not in any way similar to the submission isn't a problem.
Originally posted by Remie:
Originally posted by conceptgraphics:
[i]Originally posted by Remie:
[i]Originally posted by Dangerous_blues:
[i]I also happen to know which one is yours ... <snip>
Just my opinion.
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06/19/2002 05:07:35 AM · #39 |
Regarding the "anonymity" here.
Guys, you do realize that there are people already sharing amongst themselves what photos are what.
Some are freinds living in the same area, some are family members and some are just by happenstance.
Saying that knowing who did a photo will change your vote is like saying a teacher alter grades depending on which student submitted.
Does it happen? Sure. Will it always happen? Of course. I like the fact that the photographer can make the decision to show his photography to whoever he wants. If a voter feels the need to maintain the anonymous nature of the photos..don't look at the photographers work. I don't make mine public because I don't want just anybody knowing which one is mine.
But I would have no problem letting someone know which one is mine in a controlled setting where it is understood that if that photo is a 1 in their opinion.. they will vote it a 1. Maybe it's just all my time in art school study or brainstorming sessions in a design group where I am used to people being able to give honest critiques of stuff that everyone knows who did it but it doesn't stop us from speaking our mind. |
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06/19/2002 05:30:01 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by Remie:
Originally posted by conceptgraphics:
[i]Originally posted by Remie:
[i]Originally posted by Dangerous_blues:
[i]I also happen to know which one is yours jm.......Scored it very well, because its a great shot!
Did you vote after you knew or before? Just curious :)[/i]
I voted after I knew. Why?[/i]
I''m just curious if Dangerous was influenced by it.
In this case jm is a respected member of this site who is making good pictures and is giving good comments. Besides that he''s a moderator of this site. I can imagine these are reasons for people to please him and therefor give him higher votes and nice comments. Ofcourse it can also be a reason for people to vote him down, but I think that''s more unlikely because people might think that a moderator can monitor everything on this site.
The voting-system on this site is clean and fair because we don''t know who the photographers are untill voting has finished and I think it should stay that way. Therefor I just don''t agree that photographers reveal their photo (or outtakes) before the voting has finished. Voters can be influenced by it, even ones that say they are not. To prevent any misunderstandings, I''m not saying you or Dangerous where influenced, I''m just saying that it can happen.
Just my opinion.
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Not influenced at all. His shot is inspired!
* This message has been edited by the author on 6/19/2002 9:30:17 AM. |
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06/19/2002 06:00:04 AM · #41 |
With the particular photo that I have entered in this challenge, I could care less how the vote turns out. I have accomplished a personal goal with this photo and I am extremely happy with it.
I will, however, stop allowing anyone to know what my photo is prior to the end of the challenge. I usually post my photo to a couple of places for feedback, and some DPC members happen to visit those places. If it is a problem for some, I will fix it. I guess my problem is that I am usually quite proud of the photos I submit here. Too proud maybe :)
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06/19/2002 06:04:53 AM · #42 |
I think that i should reveal my photo to give anyone who thinks I have done wrong by sharing it an opportunity to punish me with the vote...
That would also reinforce my statement that I don't care about the score...
any takers?
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06/19/2002 06:05:30 AM · #43 |
| I really don't think it matters if people share their photos. I show mine to a group of online friends before I submit them, and we all talk about them, and some of them show me theirs, and we all go and vote. But there aren't anywhere near enough of us to influence the result, statistically speaking, even if we all voted each other's up unreasonably (and we don't). If I didn't get to do that, DPC would be a lot less fun than it is now. |
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06/19/2002 06:07:47 AM · #44 |
I like the anonymity aspect of the voting and trying to guess who may have taken what shot, but I don''t vote photos up or down if I know who they belong to. I''d rather wait and find out Sunday night, though.
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I think that i should reveal my photo to give anyone who thinks I have done wrong by sharing it an opportunity to punish me with the vote...
That would also reinforce my statement that I don''t care about the score...
any takers?
* This message has been edited by the author on 6/19/2002 10:07:20 AM.
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06/19/2002 06:12:35 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by lisae:
I really don't think it matters if people share their photos. I show mine to a group of online friends before I submit them, and we all talk about them, and some of them show me theirs, and we all go and vote. But there aren't anywhere near enough of us to influence the result, statistically speaking, even if we all voted each other's up unreasonably (and we don't). If I didn't get to do that, DPC would be a lot less fun than it is now.
I agree with this completely...
My photo this week is averaging over .5 below my normal average so I can't really say that my vote is being improved by anyone who has seen it already... The voting public doesn't like my entry this week as much as they have liked my past entries...
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06/19/2002 07:22:12 AM · #46 |
Well jm..My photo is averaging 1.5 below my average vote.
Am I disappointed? No.
Perplexed? In a way. But I have been here long enough to get used to the voting aspect. It's the isolation between the voters and the photographers that sorta throws me. It's too cold an experience for someone like me that is so new to producing their own photos (versus working with other people s photos).
I am with lisae. However, none of the folks I show my stuff to even come to this site to vote or submit. In some ways that is a good thing because I want my photos to appeal to folks outside the internet communities as well as inside. But some online contact/sharing of ideas is good too. |
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06/19/2002 07:32:33 AM · #47 |
I'm another one that shares my photo ideas, and sometimes my photos, with selected friends before the challenge deadline. I do this not because I expect or even want them vote me higher (I don't), but because I value their insight. In some cases, I'll incorporate their suggestions into my image before I submit it.
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06/19/2002 07:40:24 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
I agree with this, with the exception that an outtake that is not in any way similar to the submission isn't a problem.
In a thread a couple of weeks ago, it was mentioned that some outtakes may look like photos that are submitted by others that are in contest. Or might even look better :-)
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06/19/2002 07:44:18 AM · #49 |
I believe that there are 6 individuals at DPC who know what my submission is this week. I thought about it and I don't know if there are any more or not. I'm not worried about it either...
I agree with your comment on 'cold experience.'
When the voting ranges from a 1 to a 10, I think that 5 means your photo is just average. 6 would mean slightly above average, et cetera. My overall average of all my photos is just below 6.5, so this tells me that most of my work submitted here is just slightly above average.
I do realize that my interpretation of the 1-10 scale is not the same as everyone elses. To me, it's pretty simple though. 1 is very bad and 10 is very good. That's pretty simple.
When a photo wins a competition on this site, I would LOVE to see it's average score above 8.5. I'm not sure who said this earlier... maybe it was you... as we get more voters on the site, the scores will probably gravitate closer to the 5 mark. Maybe this is happening now... I have produced, IMHO, better photos recently and they score lower on the average as the site is growing in population. I hope that some of the changes on this site during its growth will help promote my own self worth as a photographer :)
How do I know if my photography is getting any better when my scores never change? If you look at my profile and my scores, i have only had two out of ten or so submissions that have scored outside the 6.00 - 6.50 range. I think these scores are 'good' but I definitely can't use the score to determine if I'm improving or not.
There is no defined baseline for the vote.
Originally posted by hokie:
Well jm..My photo is averaging 1.5 below my average vote.
Am I disappointed? No.
Perplexed? In a way. But I have been here long enough to get used to the voting aspect. It's the isolation between the voters and the photographers that sorta throws me. It's too cold an experience for someone like me that is so new to producing their own photos (versus working with other people s photos).
I am with lisae. However, none of the folks I show my stuff to even come to this site to vote or submit. In some ways that is a good thing because I want my photos to appeal to folks outside the internet communities as well as inside. But some online contact/sharing of ideas is good too.
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06/19/2002 07:45:15 AM · #50 |
Of course a photographer can show his photography to whoever he wants, but when it comes to a photo submitted to this site that is still in contest I think it's only fair to wait to publish the photo elsewhere untill the voting has finished. It's only one photo a week and let's not forget that the only reason that particular photo is taken, is because of this site. When it isn't for anonimity, then let it be out of respect for this site.
Even though I don't like it, I realize people probably already share their photos with others and discuss them, but I think as mentioned above I agree that's only happening in a limited way and has hardly any effect on the score. It's unavoidable, but I don't think it should be encouraged.
I like to see photos made by the other members of this site and therefor visit their sites and galleries occasinally to see what new photos they made. I really don't like it when I run into a photo that is still in contest then though. I think it's the photographers responsability to maintain the anonimity not the voters. If the photographer wants to show the photo to friends or family, then he should email it to them or place it on a page that's not accesable to everyone.
And why not discuss the photo after the voting? It's still the same photo with the same things to discuss about :) |
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