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08/26/2008 08:44:34 AM · #1
I'm wanting to put together a couple of different slideshows for a client.

From whom do I get permission for the background music... and how? I was under the impression that the only person you needed permission from is the publisher, but have recently heard otherwise.
08/27/2008 10:32:08 AM · #2
you need rights free music.
To put any music to pictures (movie, commercial, slideshow) you need what is called 'synch rights' and for that you need the publisher, performer and author(s) of the song - something that is hard to get unless you are a movie studio or TV producer.
08/27/2008 10:39:10 AM · #3
Wow, a chance to use this twice in one day.... buy music here: //www.stock20.com/gvr.php?rc=65xl2nv10033asd5v2x :D

As for permission, you need the permission of the copyright holder - that might be the artist or it might be the publisher... or it could be both (or other assignees). The best way to find out is to contact the band's rep.
08/27/2008 11:07:47 AM · #4
I do a bit of tech support for the Toronto branch of this company. They do music licensing...
//peermusic.com/
08/27/2008 11:09:43 AM · #5
Originally posted by idnic:

Wow, a chance to use this twice in one day.... buy music here: //www.stock20.com/gvr.php?rc=65xl2nv10033asd5v2x :D

As for permission, you need the permission of the copyright holder - that might be the artist or it might be the publisher... or it could be both (or other assignees). The best way to find out is to contact the band's rep.


Cindi how much does the music cost on the site?

Anyone know of any free rights free music?
08/27/2008 11:22:53 AM · #6
All songs - $20
08/27/2008 12:55:22 PM · #7
Originally posted by idnic:

Wow, a chance to use this twice in one day.... buy music here: //www.stock20.com/gvr.php?rc=65xl2nv10033asd5v2x :D

As for permission, you need the permission of the copyright holder - that might be the artist or it might be the publisher... or it could be both (or other assignees). The best way to find out is to contact the band's rep.


I was a little ahead of you there... got you a free song yesterday via one of your earlier threads. :) Thanks!
08/29/2008 05:02:57 AM · #8
OK, lets just say for giggles, that the client brings in music. They already own it, so all I'm doing is selling strategically placed photos on top of the music they already paid for. Will that work? LOL
08/29/2008 07:05:18 AM · #9
Originally posted by cynthiann:

OK, lets just say for giggles, that the client brings in music. They already own it, so all I'm doing is selling strategically placed photos on top of the music they already paid for. Will that work? LOL

No. When you buy a CD you're buying the right to listen to it by yourself. You are not buying the rights to broadcast it in any way (like playing in your store or as on-hold music on the phone), or to use as a ring tone or sync to pictures or use it on your website.

Just like if someone buys a print they're getting the right to look at the print- not to use it for commercial, advertising, t=shirts, etc
08/29/2008 08:15:58 AM · #10
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Originally posted by cynthiann:

OK, lets just say for giggles, that the client brings in music. They already own it, so all I'm doing is selling strategically placed photos on top of the music they already paid for. Will that work? LOL

No. When you buy a CD you're buying the right to listen to it by yourself. You are not buying the rights to broadcast it in any way (like playing in your store or as on-hold music on the phone), or to use as a ring tone or sync to pictures or use it on your website.

Just like if someone buys a print they're getting the right to look at the print- not to use it for commercial, advertising, t=shirts, etc


Even if I'm only selling the slideshow to the lady who already paid for the song?

I know you're right... I'm just digging for a loophole because she really really wants this song.
08/29/2008 08:32:29 AM · #11
She could legally play it on an iPod throught some speakers, or on a CD Player.
That would be detached from the Slide Show. That's just my opinion.
08/29/2008 08:13:04 PM · #12
Odds are you won't get caught, legally speaking. But there is that conscience thing. My fear is that I will tell my clients that copying is wrong, illegal, and please don't do it. But if I'm ignoring copyright by doing it with music I'm telling them in 3D surround sound that I'm a hypocrite. I'd also be telling them if it's ok for me, it's ok for you - so sure, steal from me and what moral or legal ground would I have to stand on to confront you about it?
Could be i'm overthinking the client's POV. Certainly the average client. BUT I know LOTS of people, several clients, that are in or have been in bands and they KNOW the law. They know a hypocrite when they see one. It's all about reputation and who you have to look at in the mirror.
09/14/2008 06:44:06 AM · #13
So we are discussing using a song in a slideshow, i think if the slideshow is for the clients personal use, then that should be okay. because they are "listening" to it privately, its not going on mass production & being sold in stores. if you can download it to your computer, then you can use it on a personal cd right? im just saying if my client buys my print, then they can add it on a greeting card & send to their relatives, right?
09/14/2008 07:18:46 AM · #14
Originally posted by brittanymilliken:

So we are discussing using a song in a slideshow, i think if the slideshow is for the clients personal use, then that should be okay. because they are "listening" to it privately, its not going on mass production & being sold in stores. if you can download it to your computer, then you can use it on a personal cd right? im just saying if my client buys my print, then they can add it on a greeting card & send to their relatives, right?


No they cannot. If you give them a print that is all they get - that print to look at. To scan it is to violate teh copyright. to use it on greeting cards is also a violation. Unless you gave or sold them the rights to do it.

same for the music. You buy a CD or song. You can listen to it. You cannot make copies, legally speaking. If you make a copy then it's possible for you to listen to it in the house while your wife/GF listens to it in the car at the same time - possible is all that matters. That's why computer software can only be installed on one computer at a time. You are not legally allowed to play music -even the radio - in a store or on the phone like 'on hold' music unless you pay for the rights to do so.

Putting music to pictures is a very specific issue and involves sync rights. //www.newenglandfilm.com/news/archives/00july/music.htm By combining pictures with music you are actually creating another work of art! That is why it's covered by different 'rules'

Message edited by author 2008-09-14 11:19:44.
05/06/2009 08:44:07 PM · #15
What if you are making a DVD photo/video clip slideshow from photos/videos taken by you at a friend's wedding and the client/customer/friend provides you with background music to set to the slideshow from bought music CDs?

Thereby afterwards you sell the client/customer/friend the blank media used and charge for your time and not for the content?

Still need licensing/rights to sell the DVD slideshow then?
07/03/2011 11:50:47 AM · #16
I tried to post a slide show on Facebook. It wouldn't process. I didn't get a reason until finally I got a nasty message that I was violating someone's copyright. This is a slide show of friends baking a cake. It will not be sold or seen by anyone but friends and friends of friends. So, I wouldn't mind purchasing the rights to use the song. But, how do I do that? And, can you do it at a reasonable cost? I bought the song on itunes. So, I've paid for it once. The slide show doesn't even use the whole song.
07/03/2011 12:26:27 PM · #17
Originally posted by joynim:

Originally posted by idnic:

Wow, a chance to use this twice in one day.... buy music here: //www.stock20.com/gvr.php?rc=65xl2nv10033asd5v2x :D

As for permission, you need the permission of the copyright holder - that might be the artist or it might be the publisher... or it could be both (or other assignees). The best way to find out is to contact the band's rep.


Cindi how much does the music cost on the site?

Anyone know of any free rights free music?


Animoto has some rights-free music for video created with their service. It's a pretty good service and is cloud-based so nothing to install on your PC/Mac.
07/03/2011 12:52:54 PM · #18
Stock20 is $20 per song. Too much for someone like me. I don't have a zillion Facebook friends. I'll just skip using the music.
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