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Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

06/17/2002 08:04:47 AM · #26

Hey magnetic;

I really like "lilypads" a lot. That would have been one of my 10 favorites this week. its an epiphone is very good and "something's waiting" is nicely composed.

Thanks for the comments :-) As I mentioned, I had "Polarized" as my entry up until Sunday afternoon. Then I took a photo sunday afternoon and showed it to my wife and daughter and they liked the new one better than "Polarized".

I explained that this was a "shadows" challenge and that the photo they picked was the weakest "shadow" picture of the 6 I had to choose from. I also explained they needed to be careful not to fall prey to the "latest and greatest" way of thinking.

They thought about it and..because they are like me in a way..they said screw it!...The photo is still their favorite. I was skeptical because I hang out here and they don't but hey..it's their way to participate..I just like taking the pictures :-)

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

06/17/2002 08:09:35 AM · #27

Originally posted by Kimbly:
Originally posted by gr8photos:
[i]couldn't you just wait posting your submission until after the voting? i love seeing other people's outtakes but i really value the anonymity in the voting, too ...

In theory. But y'all aren't the only people I share these photos with. Pbase is by far the most convenient way I've found to share a photo or group of photos with a bunch of people. And so in the course of getting 'pre-feedback' from other friends and non-dpchallenge members, I put the photos up. [/i]

When you include a link directly to the (outtake) image as you did above, no one will see your entry photo unless they go wandering around in your galleries. Or just make separate galleries for the entries and the outtakes.

pBase is very convenient -- consider making a "donation."

magnetic9999

Canon EOS-20D

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX Aspherical DF for Canon

06/17/2002 08:21:09 AM · #28

Originally posted by hokie:
I explained that this was a "shadows" challenge and that the photo they picked was the weakest "shadow" picture of the 6 I had to choose from. I also explained they needed to be careful not to fall prey to the "latest and greatest" way of thinking.

They thought about it and..because they are like me in a way..they said screw it!...The photo is still their favorite. I was skeptical because I hang out here and they don't but hey..it's their way to participate..I just like taking the pictures :-)

ha! that's exactly the same way it went for me :P ... Never again will I be influenced by 'outsiders' ... ; )

thanks for your commentitos.

Re: pbase - I am a Pbase Supporter, so I feel ok about putting many images on there.

Re: giving away one's challenge entry - maybe put the one you entered into a different subfolder?

06/17/2002 08:21:45 AM · #29

Originally posted by Kimbly:
Originally posted by gr8photos:
[i]couldn't you just wait posting your submission until after the voting? i love seeing other people's outtakes but i really value the anonymity in the voting, too ...

In theory. But y'all aren't the only people I share these photos with. Pbase is by far the most convenient way I've found to share a photo or group of photos with a bunch of people. And so in the course of getting 'pre-feedback' from other friends and non-dpchallenge members, I put the photos up. [/i]

Anonymity is cool..knowing who did the photo is cool.

Anonymith works for me because I am on the forums a lot and don't want my art and my comments to be to tied together.

I don't change my votes regardless of who I know did the shot. My vote is still anonymous so I feel free to give even artists I like any score I want. I might even be more critical of people like Kimbly and setz because they are good photographers and I expect good things from them.

However, now that I know which shot is Kimbly's and jmsetzlers I can now really mess with em in the comments section :-)

Canon EF 28-200 f/3.5 - 5.6 USM

06/17/2002 08:28:29 AM · #30

Originally posted by magnetic9999:
...ha! that's exactly the same way it went for me :P ... Never again will I be influenced by 'outsiders' ... ; )

My only regret is that by letting them choose the entry I feel like the success or failure unfairly shifts to them in a small way..and that's not right.

But I made the final decision and I still have all the experience of all the photos which is the point of it all.

sheyingshi88

06/17/2002 09:09:53 AM · #31

Originally posted by mcrochip:
I'm getting hammered too - 30 votes for 2.9. The one comment suggests the title may have alternate meanings than I intended.

You're lucky! Last week only a couple voters (bless their warped hearts) even noticed that my entry could have alternate meanings.

lmhr

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

06/17/2002 09:23:03 AM · #32

I think there's a big difference how each of this groups see the pictures, dont't you think? for example I (photographer) tend to give 6's or 7's to a nice picture of a landscape but that the only challenge was getting there or being lucky enough to live in a nice city. I think creativity and effort should be rewarded. On the other hand, "viewers only" tend to "appreciate" nice pictures. Take this week's winner for example (and I say this with respect), it's a nice picture but extremely cliche, and it won!

Sometimes I think of an idea and then say "no, it's too obvious", only to find out that a very similar idea got great scores. I don't know, maybe I'm trying to hard, what do you think.

LM

brumos

Canon PowerShot S30

06/17/2002 10:41:53 AM · #33

Thanks lmhr.

Have you ever heard of the acronym K.I.S.S.? Keep It Simple Stupid. Works everytime!
Why complicate matters? It just makes things confusing.

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

06/17/2002 11:06:35 AM · #34

Well, I was feeling pretty crummy about my 4.3 (up from 2.6 this morning) for a photograph that I thought was at least decent (maybe a 5 or 6?). Now that I've read this forum, I don't feel so alone. Still frustrated. Still perplexed. But hey, I like my picture, and dang it, I thought it was pretty good. I actually had outtakes this week, and will post them as soon as I get rid of one (it will give away my entry), maybe. But then again, maybe I won't. A person can only take so much hammering. :-)

FranziskaLang

Nikon D100

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Nikon

06/17/2002 11:10:25 AM · #35

Based on the comments in this thread and my initial round of votes (haven't fine tuned them yet), it's my impression that there's a lot of low and high, and not so many middle of the road votes around this time. Anyone else get that impression?

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

06/17/2002 11:13:11 AM · #36

Originally posted by gr8photos:
Based on the comments in this thread and my initial round of votes (haven't fine tuned them yet), it's my impression that there's a lot of low and high, and not so many middle of the road votes around this time. Anyone else get that impression?

Probably not... average votes don't generally cause people to go, "hmm!" and post to a thread about them.

-Terry

Gangreen

06/17/2002 11:25:50 AM · #37

First of all, "HI" from the newbie...

I was actually feeling bad about the 3.x I was getting, then realized... this is my first time posting any kind of picture here, so I shouldn't be expecting anything miraculous. What seems to be wierd is the comments I've received so far... only two, but they are at exact opposite extremes...

I also had the unfortunate time constraint due to the fact that I found the camera on Saturday. I really like the idea of the site and hope to become a more active member of the community.

Thanks for letting me join in...

FranziskaLang

Nikon D100

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Nikon

06/17/2002 11:28:43 AM · #38

Welcome to the addictive world of DPC, Gangreen! :)

What you are seeing with the comments happens a lot. Diverse people with diverse opinions here. Someone recommended a while back to look at the comment that is repeated the most and assume that that's what the majority sees when they look at your shot.

Originally posted by Gangreen:
What seems to be wierd is the comments I've received so far... only two, but they are at exact opposite extremes...

Zeissman

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

06/17/2002 11:30:07 AM · #39

Great attitude!

Originally posted by David Ey:
I'm getting hammered too Hokie and my entry is my very best ever. Should be getting all 8's n 9's. I think it is the best of the group. Just shows how STUPID some of these voters are. (ha)

Dogman

Fujifilm FinePix 2200

06/17/2002 11:38:01 AM · #40

You'd piss yourself if you could see the one comment I had. Can't explain as it would give my photo away. Bet he/she didn't give me a 10, mind you looking at the comment, I doubt he/she gave any1 more than 1.
Keep smiling ;-)

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

06/17/2002 11:38:17 AM · #41

I told my wife what I really need is a photography workgroup..:-) A group of us who don't give a rip about anonymous voting, etc would get together and test our submissions on each other. I was thinking of doing this with a local photo club but my business travel schedule is so hectic I can't predict when I can attend fixed location personal meetings.

What it boils down to is I need a more intense discussion among fellow photographers for me to improve and get the most out of my photography.

Something like 10 or 15 photographers at the most. Maybe we could even have our own mini challenges or something. The smaller size would allow us to interact quickly and get everybody to give detailed critiques.

The only requirements would be...

1) Extreme honesty..No candy covered B.S.. We know enough about each other (camera equipment, skill level based on past portfolios, time available) to tell each other what we like, don't like and understand how someone can acheive it with a digital camera.

2) We are all equals. Nobody brings out their education or past portfolios to hang over everybody. We are here to expand our thinking a bit :-)

3) We follow point #1 but accept the differences in taste and style enough to accept that some people like fuzzy bunnies, some people like abstracts, some people like portraits, etc, etc. We discuss within the context of helping the photographer acheive his goals..not the groups.

4) You must submit on a regular basis. We need photographers, not just critics.

5) You must be able to vote honestly on your fellow photographers regardless of your knowledge of who they are.

6) Finally, accept and give critiques in a fun but adult fashion. There are enough a$$holes in everyday life we don't need to hang out online with any :-)

If this is a cool idea then say so here or private message me and we'll see if we can get the ball rolling. :-)

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

06/17/2002 12:29:29 PM · #42

hokie -- a workgroup sounds good.

I didn't think I had any outtakes or alternates last week, but I just noticed I shot Isaac's Eyes in time to have submitted it. I think I still prefer my orginal entry though (for a change...). This particular version was also cropped and retouched for posting at Jones Soda, not DPC.

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

06/17/2002 12:45:27 PM · #43

Originally posted by hokie:
Hokie:

This sounds awesome. I do this informally with a few people, but it would be nice to have a group like that.

-Terry

* This message has been edited by the author on 6/17/2002 5:03:42 PM.

mci

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

06/17/2002 01:00:28 PM · #44

Originally posted by hokie:

What it boils down to is I need a more intense discussion among fellow photographers for me to improve and get the most out of my photography.

Hokie -

I'd definitely be into this. Only problem I have is that I don't usually get a chance to shoot until Sunday, which leaves little time for discussion. But I'd love a smaller, focused group of people to critique shots, even if it had nothing to do with DPC. Let me know if you get this together.

- mike

Amphian

Nikon Coolpix 880

06/17/2002 04:28:53 PM · #45

I like your idea, Hokie, but I'm another one that doesn't shoot until the weekend. If the group looked at photos other than just challenge submissions, it might work. Were you thinking of doing this via email or a photo site or something else?

daclozer

Sony DSC-F505

06/17/2002 04:41:21 PM · #46

Mine is getting great comments for the most part, but lousy votes. I especially like the comment that some asshole left calling the model fat and that she made him sick.. I was trying to do something very original and artistic, something I don't see a lot of on this site.

FranziskaLang

Nikon D100

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Nikon

06/17/2002 05:37:20 PM · #47

i think you just gave your photo away ... while i don't agree with those kind of comments, i think you just have to know that you are opening yourself up to those every time you have a human body in your shot that's not fully clothed. it seems to be a fact of life on this site.

Originally posted by daclozer:
Mine is getting great comments for the most part, but lousy votes. I especially like the comment that some asshole left calling the model fat and that she made him sick.. I was trying to do something very original and artistic, something I don't see a lot of on this site.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

06/17/2002 07:40:51 PM · #48

Originally posted by Amphian:
I like your idea, Hokie, but I'm another one that doesn't shoot until the weekend. If the group looked at photos other than just challenge submissions, it might work. Were you thinking of doing this via email or a photo site or something else?

We are still in the "figurin out" process. I think we are going to keep it simple as possible and not really have a format. Just an opportunity for a small number of folks who feel completely comfortable about saying exactly what is on their minds helping to speed the photography learning process.

You show what you want. Your entry to DPC that week. A test photo. A new process you are experimenting with. Whatever. We might even encourage folks to bring in pro photos for us to critique. I was hoping to get involved with a local photo club but I don't have the time for that right now. Getting out at night even once a month as part of a scheduled club commitment is more than I want but I need that level of interaction. I see this as a DPC club if you will :-)

I think the frustration some folks are feeling is that you get all these people coming with comments and when you ask for further explanation sometimes people get defensive and afraid they might have crossed a boundary.
I hope in our group we don't have boundaries except maybe saying "your model is fat and makes me sick" kind of dim witted stuff.

We have about 7 or 8 interested right now and I think about 15 sounds about right. I usually find I have had room to comment on about 15 photos a week and comment in the forums and I have heard that many people didn't want to take anything from their DPC time involvement including me.

If we get more than 15 interested maybe more than one group will start and we can have little group photo wars or fun crap like that :-) We can call our group the "Disgruntled Curmudgeons". I have alway wanted to be a Curmudgeon!!

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

06/17/2002 07:51:18 PM · #49

Originally posted by hokie:

We are still in the "figurin out" process. I think we are going to keep it simple as possible and not really have a format. Just an opportunity for a small number of folks who feel completely comfortable about saying exactly what is on their minds helping to speed the photography learning process...
If we get more than 15 interested maybe more than one group will start and we can have little group photo wars or fun crap like that :-) We can call our group the "Disgruntled Curmudgeons". I have alway wanted to be a Curmudgeon!!

Can''t we be Gruntled Curmudgeons, though? All the other groups are disgruntled and I''d like to be different...

* This message has been edited by the author on 6/17/2002 11:52:06 PM.