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Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

07/16/2008 06:28:26 PM · #1

Due to all the brand bashing that goes on around here.. I think we should have a tally of challenge results via camera brand.. which camera has the most top 3 finishes. Also take into consideration the # of owners..and # of entry's each brand has accumulated. I'm not a math wizard and have no idea how to figure this out.. otherwise I'd do it myself =)

Of course it all has to do with talent.. but it would still be fun right? Since with Cannon.. you can't!

NikoN PowaH!

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

07/16/2008 06:41:50 PM · #2

You can see the average vote received by cameras through This Link

Not sure if you knew about it, but when you go under Equipment, Cameras, at the bottom, there are 3 links.

Best,
-AC.

07/16/2008 06:47:38 PM · #3

Originally posted by AC:

You can see the average vote received by cameras through This Link

Not sure if you knew about it, but when you go under Equipment, Cameras, at the bottom, there are 3 links.

Best,
-AC.

pfffft... Just as I was calling the patent company.. someone steals my idea.. pfffft

crayon

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FH1

07/16/2008 07:03:17 PM · #4

and i thought this thread would help me narrow down my choices of my dSLR purchase :p

07/16/2008 07:10:27 PM · #5

That's Ez... Nikon.. duh

07/16/2008 07:19:49 PM · #6

546 ribbons for Nikon. Just spent a while doing that, so whoever cares, your welcome.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

07/16/2008 07:22:37 PM · #7

Originally posted by Patsfan:

546 ribbons for Nikon. Just spent a while doing that, so whoever cares, your welcome.

Wow!! You counted em all? Clearly Nikon is the best:)

I also liked how you pretended not to care.. yet counted the ribbons:)

Cam

Sony DSC-F717

07/16/2008 07:38:25 PM · #8

Originally posted by AC:

You can see the average vote received by cameras through This Link

Not sure if you knew about it, but when you go under Equipment, Cameras, at the bottom, there are 3 links.

Best,
-AC.

Huh, I did not know that. Very interesting.

I think it is obvious we all need to go buy a Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III, and soon.

Citadel

Nikon D7500

07/16/2008 08:05:39 PM · #9

Interesting little stat:

Leica M8 - submissions 8
average score? 0.000

Its only $5495

:)

jay6850

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

07/16/2008 08:10:17 PM · #10

I am finishing up a statistics class right now and I would love to do a test of significance to try to tell if the mean scores of the cameras are actually different from each other and whether one is greater than the other... It actually sounds like it would be really interesting.

But then again, we do all know that it isn't the camera, its the photographer. So, what is the point of doing this anyways...

But I might do it in the next week just to see the outcome... and if I do, I will most definitely post it here!

smichener

07/16/2008 08:16:51 PM · #11

speaking of statistics...it would all depend on sample size. I get the impression there are many more Cannon owners around- so likely there are more ribbons awarded to Cannon, but that doesn't prove anything.

In the end I think you'd discover there's statistically no significance on how many ribbons either camera had.

07/16/2008 08:22:35 PM · #12

Originally posted by smichener:

Agreed.. I was looking at the number of submissions on cannon vs nikon.. and the highest number of submissions with a nikon is the D70 with 16,000 or so.. and cannon has several cameras with 20,000 and even 30,000 submissions for individual cameras..

so there would have to be a percentage of ribbons vs submissions or something like that.

Message edited by author 2008-07-17 00:23:22.

07/17/2008 07:27:34 AM · #13

WOW! That took a while. 1424 ribbons for Canon. That's a whole lotta ribbons to count.

Message edited by author 2008-07-17 11:27:45.

togtog

07/17/2008 07:52:24 AM · #14

Remember to divide both ribbon counts by the total number of owners to get a more accurate result. :)

Canon EF 20-35mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

07/17/2008 09:23:27 AM · #15

Total Canon users= 33,850
Total Canon ribbons=1,424

23.77

Total Nikon users= 16,322
Total Nikon ribbons= 546

29.89

YAY!!! Nikon wins!

abraxas

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

07/17/2008 09:46:28 AM · #16

Patsfan, you got the numerator and the denominator backwards there. What you divided suggests that roughly for every 24 Canon users there is one ribbon, and for every 30 Nikon users there is a ribbon (meaning Canon has a lower 'miss' rate). In some cultures a lower density of success might be considered a positive thing though, so maybe Nikon is the winner afterall. I kid, I kid.

ambaker

Google Glass Google Glass

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM

07/17/2008 09:51:55 AM · #17

Originally posted by jay6850:

Well that shoots my theory right in the head... Here I was going to go buy a new camera to get a better score.

This all seems to keep coming back to I'm supposed to have talent and put some effort into it. Learn from my mistakes, and all that junk!!!!

#$$#^#$^ $%^&%(*#@ !!! I thought for everything else there was MasterCard!!! Can't even believe advertising hype anymore.... What's this world coming to?

Where's the camera that has voice prompts to say, "Hey, point me over there, and click. That's a nice picture..."

Rando D300

07/17/2008 09:55:05 AM · #18

ambaker

Google Glass Google Glass

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM

07/17/2008 10:05:42 AM · #19

Originally posted by abraxas:

Actually, he does have it wrong.

He has it as owners per ribbon. Invert it and you get it ribbons per owner. Which would be that 4.2% of the Canon owners have earned ribbons, and 3.3% of the Nikon owners have ribbons. So Canon would be the winner.

However, as the old saying goes, figures lie and liars figure. It all depends on perspective. 5 is 50% of 10, but 10 is 100% more than 5. So you get a 100 percent pay boost going from 5 to 10, but only a 50% pay cut going from 10 to 5.

Where is this all going? Well, it would be extremely hard to use the statistics here to say which camera is better. But I would propose that the closest solution would be to count the number of photographers who have ribboned using each brand, and not the ribbons themselves. Some here have won multiple times. This would scew the results based on talent. Even then, you might want to limit the search to the last couple of years. Or limit it to certain models. Does a 5 year old point and shoot ribbon make today's prosumer Canon better than today's prosumer Nikon.

At this point this all makes my head hurt, so I'm going back to my corner and shut up now...

07/17/2008 11:32:12 AM · #20

Ooops. I guess I did do it wrong. Sorry people.

Originally posted by ambaker:

Originally posted by abraxas:
Patsfan, you got the numerator and the denominator backwards there. What you divided suggests that roughly for every 24 Canon users there is one ribbon, and for every 30 Nikon users there is a ribbon (meaning Canon has a lower 'miss' rate). In some cultures a lower density of success might be considered a positive thing though, so maybe Nikon is the winner afterall. I kid, I kid.

Actually, he does have it wrong.

He has it as owners per ribbon. Invert it and you get it ribbons per owner. Which would be that 4.2% of the Canon owners have earned ribbons, and 3.3% of the Nikon owners have ribbons. So Canon would be the winner.

However, as the old saying goes, figures lie and liars figure. It all depends on perspective. 5 is 50% of 10, but 10 is 100% more than 5. So you get a 100 percent pay boost going from 5 to 10, but only a 50% pay cut going from 10 to 5.

Where is this all going? Well, it would be extremely hard to use the statistics here to say which camera is better. But I would propose that the closest solution would be to count the number of photographers who have ribboned using each brand, and not the ribbons themselves. Some here have won multiple times. This would scew the results based on talent. Even then, you might want to limit the search to the last couple of years. Or limit it to certain models. Does a 5 year old point and shoot ribbon make today's prosumer Canon better than today's prosumer Nikon.

At this point this all makes my head hurt, so I'm going back to my corner and shut up now...

smichener

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

07/17/2008 11:44:10 AM · #21

Originally posted by ambaker:

[quote=abraxas]

He has it as owners per ribbon. Invert it and you get it ribbons per owner. Which would be that 4.2% of the Canon owners have earned ribbons, and 3.3% of the Nikon owners have ribbons. So Canon would be the winner.

Where is this all going? Well, it would be extremely hard to use the statistics here to say which camera is better. But I would propose that the closest solution would be to count the number of photographers who have ribboned using each brand, and not the ribbons themselves. Some here have won multiple times. This would scew the results based on talent.

Exactly right- you would want to let only one ribbon for one photographer count. That is how you control the talent variable, and make sure you're not counting the same photographer twice. This is about the camera brand, not the photographer. However, even after you get the research design right, then we'd still need a T-test to determine if the results are significant. Yikes!

Strikeslip

Canon EOS-5D

07/17/2008 11:50:30 AM · #22

scalvert has screwed it up for all the Canon owners.... typical.
;-P

togtog