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 06/02/2008 06:11:44 PM · #26
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by Sam94720:

On the other side of the Atlantic, you have the most powerful military in the world. Your nation spends trillions on warfare, while your education system crumbles, many people have poor or no healthcare, are losing their homes, etc. The Iraq war has created a huge load of debt for your children, it has killed over 4'000 of your brave soldiers and an estimated million Iraqi civilians, it helped drive up gas prices, it created millions of new enemies for your country and it has made recruiting for terrorists easier than ever. What are all those kids growing up in Iraq now going to think of the US when they are 20? Of the country that destroyed their house, killed a brother and an uncle and made dad lose his job when the factory was destroyed?


To me, "many" speaks of a great percentage. Right now, our unemployment is around 6%, nationally, if I am not mistaken. In my immediate geographical region, it is less than that. While for some, 1 is "many," in reality, I don't think the percentages of people unemployed/losing their jobs, etc. could be considered "many."

Not sure how many people are un-insured. People with high incomes can afford it or have it as a benefit. People with no/low incomes can get government assistance (in some ways, very much like "socialized medicine"), so it is largely the lower end of middle class, I think that struggles with health care.

I don't have an opinion either way, but Karma, 6% of 300,000,000 is 18,000,000. Eighteen million unemployed. Switzerland, where Sam94720 lives now, has a population of about seven and a half million. So, the number of unemployed in the US is more than twice the population of Switzerland.

His "many" is probably meaningful to him. It's all about perspective. ;-)
 06/02/2008 06:31:13 PM · #27
Just quickly: The current administration has changed some of the metrics for unemployment, inflation, etc. to make the numbers look better (I don't know the details, but in many countries people are no longer counted as unemployed after a few years, even if they still don't have a job).

About "many": There are things that are basically not known in Europe that occur quite frequently in the US. People going bankrupt because of health care bills, for example. You have to admit that your health care system is quite a mess and way more expensive than anything comparable in Europe. And let's see what the coming months will bring. The number of Americans receiving food stamps is projected to reach 28 million next year, for example, the highest level since the program began in the sixties.

We are digressing again. The point I was trying to make is that there are many good ways in which you could spend a couple trillion dollars that would actually improve people's lives...
 06/02/2008 07:27:27 PM · #28
Originally posted by karmat:
Not sure how many people are un-insured. People with high incomes can afford it or have it as a benefit. People with no/low incomes can get government assistance (in some ways, very much like "socialized medicine"), so it is largely the lower end of middle class, I think that struggles with health care.


//www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml

Nearly 47 million Americans, or 16 percent of the population, were without health insurance in 2005, the latest government data available.

Nearly 90 million people - about one-third of the population below the age of 65 spent a portion of either 2006 or 2007 without health coverage
 06/03/2008 11:10:40 AM · #29
Simple really you beleive in a state of welfare. Being taxed half your income to support others and a subpar healthcare system. You don't need a military because we come to the worlds rescue. So maybe the world needs to start doing their fair share or paying for the protection. Two, gas prices are driven by supply and demand econ101. China is now going throught the industrial revolutions which means they are using more old than ever. But please don't let me interupt your tv time since most of the false info you keep spewing is coming from a poor source. Research research research! I once heard a man say that news reporters could say anything on tv and the masses would beleive them. That man was Tom Brokaw. IE a news reporter stating on all the false info after 911

Originally posted by Sam94720:
This thread is going in many different directions, but ok...

coronamv, I currently spend most of my time in Switzerland. I would say that the standard of living here is pretty high. Our military, however, would not be up to the challenge if we were attacked by a larger country. Still, nobody expects anyone to attack anyone any time soon here in Europe.

On the other side of the Atlantic, you have the most powerful military in the world. Your nation spends trillions on warfare, while your education system crumbles, many people have poor or no healthcare, are losing their homes, etc. The Iraq war has created a huge load of debt for your children, it has killed over 4'000 of your brave soldiers and an estimated million Iraqi civilians, it helped drive up gas prices, it created millions of new enemies for your country and it has made recruiting for terrorists easier than ever. What are all those kids growing up in Iraq now going to think of the US when they are 20? Of the country that destroyed their house, killed a brother and an uncle and made dad lose his job when the factory was destroyed?

I see that some companies made a fortune with this war. But apart from that, I don't see how the US might have benefitted. Don't you think that the money could have been spent more wisely?

And David, it is difficult (and somewhat pointless) to weigh different kinds of evil up against each other. Of course 9/11 was horrible. So was Saddam's rule in Iraq. So is the current situation in Burma, with the generals not even letting international organizations provide help for disaster victims. So is the situation in half of Africa. The list goes on. Of course the US has to react to being attacked and I guess hardly anyone questions the war in Afghanistan. However, by now they have long overdone it and have themselves become pretty evil. The death toll in Iraq, the secret prison system, the detention and torture of innocents for years without charge, etc.
06/03/2008 11:13:03 AM · #30
How bout give the money back to the tax payers that paid it in and not to the welfare recipents!

Originally posted by Sam94720:
Just quickly: The current administration has changed some of the metrics for unemployment, inflation, etc. to make the numbers look better (I don't know the details, but in many countries people are no longer counted as unemployed after a few years, even if they still don't have a job).

About "many": There are things that are basically not known in Europe that occur quite frequently in the US. People going bankrupt because of health care bills, for example. You have to admit that your health care system is quite a mess and way more expensive than anything comparable in Europe. And let's see what the coming months will bring. The number of Americans receiving food stamps is projected to reach 28 million next year, for example, the highest level since the program began in the sixties.

We are digressing again. The point I was trying to make is that there are many good ways in which you could spend a couple trillion dollars that would actually improve people's lives...
06/03/2008 11:37:03 AM · #31
Dear People I Am Blowing Up,

I will call you terrorists and impute upon you the worst things I can imagine. I will put you in the pilot's seat of the plane that flew into the North Tower. I will fill your hands and mouth with the blood of innocents. I will Photoshop the glimmer out of your eyes so it looks like you have no soul.

I will do this to you so I can press the button that kills you. I will do this to you because 7 years ago someone did the same thing to 3000 or so people on the east coast of the United States. I pretend that killer is your brother. I pretend I am the brother of a stock broker on the 100th floor. I imagine these giant brotherhoods that exist only because they are imagined.

I pretend that I am a Navy Aviator and put my words in his mouth, so he can be the hero of my hatred. The actual button I press is in a voting booth, where I select the codewords for hate: "I will never surrender in Iraq." "The institution of marriage is a union between one man and one woman." "Never negotiate with terrorists."

Yours truly,

Joe Chickenhawk
 06/03/2008 03:05:58 PM · #32
:o Impressive parody posthumous
 06/03/2008 03:39:16 PM · #33
Originally posted by posthumous:
Dear People I Am Blowing Up,

I will call you terrorists and impute upon you the worst things I can imagine. I will put you in the pilot's seat of the plane that flew into the North Tower. I will fill your hands and mouth with the blood of innocents. I will Photoshop the glimmer out of your eyes so it looks like you have no soul.

I will do this to you so I can press the button that kills you. I will do this to you because 7 years ago someone did the same thing to 3000 or so people on the east coast of the United States. I pretend that killer is your brother. I pretend I am the brother of a stock broker on the 100th floor. I imagine these giant brotherhoods that exist only because they are imagined.

I pretend that I am a Navy Aviator and put my words in his mouth, so he can be the hero of my hatred. The actual button I press is in a voting booth, where I select the codewords for hate: "I will never surrender in Iraq." "The institution of marriage is a union between one man and one woman." "Never negotiate with terrorists."

Yours truly,

Joe Chickenhawk


Brilliant post. My dear fellow, I salute you. In a non-military way.
 06/03/2008 04:03:16 PM · #34
Sorry, this is my favorite one so far (got this in an e-mail):

I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan:

1.) The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their affairs, past &present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic and the rest of those 'good ole boys.' We will never "interfere" again.

2.) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one sneaking through holes in the fence.

3.) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are. France would welcome them.

4.) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit. No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.

5.) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home baby.

6.) The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.

7.) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go some place else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)

8.) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not "interfere." They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides, most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.

9.) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island some place. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.

10.) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us "Ugly Americans" any longer.

Now, isn't that a winner of a plan?

"The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling,
'You want a piece of me?'
06/03/2008 05:49:18 PM · #35
Originally posted by posthumous:
Dear People I Am Blowing Up,

I will call you terrorists and impute upon you the worst things I can imagine. I will put you in the pilot's seat of the plane that flew into the North Tower. I will fill your hands and mouth with the blood of innocents. I will Photoshop the glimmer out of your eyes so it looks like you have no soul.

I will do this to you so I can press the button that kills you. I will do this to you because 7 years ago someone did the same thing to 3000 or so people on the east coast of the United States. I pretend that killer is your brother. I pretend I am the brother of a stock broker on the 100th floor. I imagine these giant brotherhoods that exist only because they are imagined.

I pretend that I am a Navy Aviator and put my words in his mouth, so he can be the hero of my hatred. The actual button I press is in a voting booth, where I select the codewords for hate: "I will never surrender in Iraq." "The institution of marriage is a union between one man and one woman." "Never negotiate with terrorists."

Yours truly,

Joe Chickenhawk


I nominate you to go give the next suicide bomber a big warm hug so he feels loved when he goes to meet Allah. Maybe he'll give you a virgin or something.
 06/03/2008 06:10:13 PM · #36
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I nominate you to go give the next suicide bomber a big warm hug so he feels loved when he goes to meet Allah. Maybe he'll give you a virgin or something.

Wow :( That rude & crass comment pushes well past the limits of civil discussion IMHO. It's also a comment that exemplifies posthumous' post nicely. So, thanks for that I guess :/
 06/04/2008 05:14:14 AM · #37
Originally posted by TCGuru:
1.) The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their affairs, past &present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic and the rest of those 'good ole boys.' We will never "interfere" again.


We actually showed far less discretion in South America and the Middle East than we did in World War 2. In WW2, we stayed neutral while millions of Russians died fighting the Nazis and millions of Jews, Catholics, Roma, etc. were rounded into concentration camps. We stayed neutral until Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. What city was bombed when we invaded Panama? Grenada? And, of course, Iraq? Are you going to bring up 9/11 to justify the invasion of Iraq? Come on, I dare you.

Oh, and Milosevic... hmm... wasn't that Clinton? You might have a chance to vote for his wife this year. At the very least, you will have a chance to vote for his party.

Originally posted by TCGuru:
2.) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one sneaking through holes in the fence.


Sounds good to me. Why do Germany and the Philippines need our troops? South Korea is protected by a treaty with our country, not by the small number of troops we have there.

Originally posted by TCGuru:
3.) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are. France would welcome them.


Good luck organizing this. If it were possible to make this happen just by passing a law it would have been done by now... oh wait... except for the fact that it would decimate our economy. If you think illegal immigration only helps illegal immigrants, you've got another thing coming.

Originally posted by TCGuru:
4.) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit. No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.


See #3. Impossible to implement, disastrous if you did.

Originally posted by TCGuru:
5.) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home baby.


At least this is an attempt to be intelligent about who might be a terrorist.

Originally posted by TCGuru:
6.) The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.


The Alaskan wilderness is going to have a hard enough time from global warming. But otherwise a good idea.

Originally posted by TCGuru:
7.) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go some place else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)


You have heard of Europe, India and China, right? They also use oil. Do you also know that the high price of oil is due to speculation on the oil market?

Originally posted by TCGuru:
8.) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not "interfere." They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides, most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.


Interesting how any country anywhere is assumed to be a corrupt Islamic state. Sometimes the U.S. has catastrophes as well. Do you think nobody outside of the U.S. helped during Katrina? Maybe you do. That seems to be another popular conservative myth.

Originally posted by TCGuru:
9.) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island some place. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.


The manly thing to do would be to give them the money we owe them first.

Originally posted by TCGuru:
10.) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us "Ugly Americans" any longer.


I guess any education is better than no education.

Originally posted by TCGuru:
Now, isn't that a winner of a plan?

"The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling,
'You want a piece of me?'


The irony of this "plan" is that it might happen whether the U.S. "plans" it or not. The U.S. is losing its dominance in the world, and the Bush administration has only hurried the process, not least by showing that a backwater country in the Middle East can tie up most of our military resources and drag our economy down like a lead weight. I haven't given up hope in the U.S., but its only chance is to give more than lip service to its ideals of human rights and fair play.
 06/04/2008 05:21:32 AM · #38
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I nominate you to go give the next suicide bomber a big warm hug so he feels loved when he goes to meet Allah. Maybe he'll give you a virgin or something.


You sound like you need a big warm hug.
 06/04/2008 06:23:43 AM · #39
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I nominate you to go give the next suicide bomber a big warm hug so he feels loved when he goes to meet Allah. Maybe he'll give you a virgin or something.


You sound like you need a big warm hug.


Yeah, but I don't go BOOM! when you squeeze me, so it's not quite the same. I do appreciate the offer.
 06/04/2008 06:26:51 AM · #40
Originally posted by JMart:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I nominate you to go give the next suicide bomber a big warm hug so he feels loved when he goes to meet Allah. Maybe he'll give you a virgin or something.

Wow :( That rude & crass comment pushes well past the limits of civil discussion IMHO. It's also a comment that exemplifies posthumous' post nicely. So, thanks for that I guess :/


I love you too man.
 06/04/2008 06:58:45 AM · #41
Originally posted by TCGuru:
5.) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home baby.

My Thai (and Buddhist) sister-in-law was in her late 20s when she left Bangkok to attend the University of Oregon to earned her doctorate in microbiology (now completed). You wonât find many doctoral or post-grad students under the age of 21 and the U.S. is noted for some the finest post-graduate universities in the world. Are you suggesting that we should close off our post-graduate programs to some of the best and brightest minds from around the globe and are you also suggesting that my sister-in-law is a âbomberâ?

I know the e-mail was intended as humorous, but I felt it was important to point out one of its more egregious and mind-numbingly ignorant statements ⦠that you somehow felt was important enough to share with us all.
 06/04/2008 07:01:05 AM · #42
Originally posted by milo655321:
I know the e-mail was intended as humorous, but I felt it was important to point out one of its more egregious and mind-numbingly ignorant statements â¦

Just one? ;)
 06/04/2008 07:12:40 AM · #43
Originally posted by milo655321:
Originally posted by TCGuru:
5.) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home baby.

My Thai


Can stop right there. She's a daymn furrinner.
 06/04/2008 07:17:15 AM · #44
Originally posted by milo655321:
Originally posted by TCGuru:
5.) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home baby.

My Thai (and Buddhist) sister-in-law was in her late 20s when she left Bangkok to attend the University of Oregon to earned her doctorate in microbiology (now completed). You wonât find many doctoral or post-grad students under the age of 21 and the U.S. is noted for some the finest post-graduate universities in the world. Are you suggesting that we should close off our post-graduate programs to some of the best and brightest minds from around the globe and are you also suggesting that my sister-in-law is a âbomberâ?



I don't think any assertions were made in the email. The point is not that people from foreign countries are "bombers" rather that they tend to "bite the hand that feeds them". They love to visit, accept foreign aid money, military aid and come here for an education (at, as you noted, some of the finest post-graduate universities in the world) yet, they often turn right around and spit in America's face. Why should the US tolerate this any further?

How many foriegn students actually stay in this country and do work that benefits the US economy vs. those that go home and use the education provided by the US to help their own countries, possibly in ways contrary to US interests?
 06/04/2008 07:26:58 AM · #45
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
How many foriegn students actually stay in this country and do work that benefits the US economy vs. those that go home and use the education provided by the US to help their own countries, possibly in ways contrary to US interests?

I don't know. Do you have any statistics? And you do realize that there are other foreign countries with superior post-graduate university courses offered to Americans, right? Oxford, Cambridge...
 06/04/2008 07:41:28 AM · #46
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I don't think any assertions were made in the email.

Read that point again:
Originally posted by TCGuru:
5.) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home baby.

That is exactly the assertion being made.

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
The point is not that people from foreign countries are "bombers" rather that they tend to "bite the hand that feeds them".

Any evidence that a majority (or even a large minority) of post-graduate students from foreign countries âbite the hand that feeds themâ or is this, instead, just a baseless assertion?

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
They love to visit, accept foreign aid money, military aid and come here for an education (at, as you noted, some of the finest post-graduate universities in the world) yet, they often turn right around and spit in America's face.

Any evidence for this or is it just an assertion without evidence?

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
How many foriegn students actually stay in this country and do work that benefits the US economy vs. those that go home and use the education provided by the US to help their own countries, possibly in ways contrary to US interests?

Firstly, if it helps to ameliorate your concerns, my sister-in-law works from a U.S. company.

Secondly, weâre in a global economy. Isolationism is not to our economic advantage. Have you read anything on non-zero sum game theory?
06/04/2008 07:54:22 AM · #47
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I don't think any assertions were made in the email. The point is not that people from foreign countries are "bombers" rather that they tend to "bite the hand that feeds them". They love to visit, accept foreign aid money, military aid and come here for an education (at, as you noted, some of the finest post-graduate universities in the world) yet, they often turn right around and spit in America's face. Why should the US tolerate this any further?

How many foriegn students actually stay in this country and do work that benefits the US economy vs. those that go home and use the education provided by the US to help their own countries, possibly in ways contrary to US interests?


I think you are falling for the same sort of massive stereotyping that people who assume all American's are dumb based on the one's they've met on holiday are falling for. Equating the action of a small minority as typical of everyone in a country.

Many of the people that I know that have got advanced degrees in the US would have liked to work in the US and the US companies are struggling to hire enough people, but the immigration policies force those same well educated people to go home and set up companies in competition. Particularly in the tech sector, the government policies are decimating the industry and forcing it ever faster overseas.

The US could certainly stop tolerating that and stop letting people in, but then you'll end up even further behind in the tech industry and I assume in other areas too. Depends how much you want your economy to suffer vs. how isolationist you want to be I suspect. Most of the people working in the US high tech industry aren't white or American, or even from here in the first place. Shutting the doors would be a good way to close it down even faster.

Message edited by author 2008-06-04 11:57:09.
 06/04/2008 08:50:33 AM · #48
Originally posted by milo655321:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I don't think any assertions were made in the email.

Read that point again:
Originally posted by TCGuru:
5.) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home baby.

That is exactly the assertion being made.

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
The point is not that people from foreign countries are "bombers" rather that they tend to "bite the hand that feeds them".

Any evidence that a majority (or even a large minority) of post-graduate students from foreign countries âbite the hand that feeds themâ or is this, instead, just a baseless assertion?

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
They love to visit, accept foreign aid money, military aid and come here for an education (at, as you noted, some of the finest post-graduate universities in the world) yet, they often turn right around and spit in America's face.

Any evidence for this or is it just an assertion without evidence?

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
How many foriegn students actually stay in this country and do work that benefits the US economy vs. those that go home and use the education provided by the US to help their own countries, possibly in ways contrary to US interests?

Firstly, if it helps to ameliorate your concerns, my sister-in-law works from a U.S. company.

Secondly, weâre in a global economy. Isolationism is not to our economic advantage. Have you read anything on non-zero sum game theory?


My "bite the hand that feeds them" comment is based on my interactions with many foreign students at both the undergraduate and graduate level. While I'll grant that there may be numerous exceptions, many will be happy to tell you how great it is that they are getting an education in the US and in almost the same breath how much they despise Americans for their foreign policy. Of course, my experiences are limited to engineering students, perhaps foreign humanities students hold different views. Then again, English majors aren't really what's needed to build bombs.

As for evidence on what the US gives to other countries, you'd be better served by looking to the US State Dept figures, but I assure you that the US is one of the most, if not the most, generous countries in the world.

I wasn't speaking of your sister in law specifically, but that's not really the point. Just because a company is based in the US doesn't mean they wouldn't sell out their people to make a buck for their shareholders.

Yes, we are in a global economy, so?. Tell that to the guy whose job just got sent to Asia where some US educated person is now doing the work for 10% the salary. What jobs will be left when they're all being done in China? Service jobs? Would you like fries with that?

US isolationism isn't to anyone's advantage, after all, who will buy all the contaminated pet food, pharmaceuticals and toys from China if not the Americans? It's also not to anyone's advantage to trade without parity in terms of trade restrictions. It's cheap and easy to import just about anything from abroad into the US. Have you any experience with exporting from the US into a country like China? There are more fees, inspections, tariffs, no-no's and other hoops to jump through that it's hardly worth the effort. Add to that China's refusal to let their currency "float" and the trade balance is artificially lopsided in China's favor.

I'm all for free and fair trade, but why should the US always take the short end of the trade agreement stick?
 06/04/2008 08:58:09 AM · #49
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I don't go BOOM! when you squeeze me


{gush} That's the sweetest thing you've ever said to me.
 06/04/2008 09:07:10 AM · #50
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
...
As for evidence on what the US gives to other countries, you'd be better served by looking to the US State Dept figures, but I assure you that the US is one of the most, if not the most, generous countries in the world. ...


Not even close to being true. Here's a quick read: Danes most generous.

Last time I checked (about 10 years ago, and I can't find U.S. aid breakdown now), the U.S. included in it's "aid" listings subsidized sales of military equipment to other countries, particularly Egypt & Israel who constituted almost 70% of all aid given. The amount of money given to the poor of the world was very small indeed.

Note: These figures do not take into account the private donations of Americans, which can be very generous in times of need.

edited for typos and to include a new link

Message edited by author 2008-06-04 13:11:45.
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