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03/25/2008 08:23:43 PM · #1 |
Does it really deserve it?? |
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03/25/2008 08:25:28 PM · #2 |
| You seemed to think so 'This is gonna get hammered' |
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03/25/2008 08:26:35 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by cryingdragon:
Does it really deserve it?? |
In my opinion, no. But then, many on this site are so narrow-minded that they absurdly vote down an image because of one little thing they find to be a flaw. In this case, I'll bet most of those 17 votes were people who expected the fence to be a major subject in the image (even though there's nothing requiring that).
My advice would be to simply let it go. People aren't going to change, so it's best to just accept it for what it is. It's disappointing, but is simply a part of this site.
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03/25/2008 08:26:43 PM · #4 |
| My guess would be that most of those were for DNMC. A good shot of that cat, but not worth a "1" (IMO) because the fence doesn't stand out. |
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03/25/2008 08:29:33 PM · #5 |
I love the shot. Shot it like this on purpose. But, I was of the mindset that a 1 is a "horrible" photo. I knew it wasn't going to score well because of the foreground bokeh, but wasn't expecting that.
Oh well. |
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03/25/2008 08:30:22 PM · #6 |
I would of given it more than what I gave, but for me, the challenge was defined, and your subject was not part of the challenge.
FYI, my score for this was a 5, because you had a fence of some sort in the image.
If this was a challenge on animals, I probably would of scored higher.
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03/25/2008 08:30:51 PM · #7 |
I just left a comment. I didn't vote but had I saw it I would have definitely scored it favorably. The composition isn't strong but the concept was brillant and met the challenge 100%, IMO.
Message edited by author 2008-03-26 00:31:11. |
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03/26/2008 01:24:42 AM · #8 |
incidentally you've got some nice interference patterns going on in that fence.
Message edited by author 2008-03-26 05:25:18. |
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03/26/2008 02:31:27 AM · #9 |
Mike - I'm going to be brutally honest with ya - I didn't vote on the challenge and didn't even know which challenge the shot was entered in when I first clicked your thumbnail below and my first reaction was somewhat negative toward the overall color - it looks drab somewhat unsaturated. The tiger looks disinterested at best and the composition and crop is very good, IMO. I do think the concept was good, but not very well executed on a number of levels.
In looking at the comments and votes - you got 5, maybe 6 somehwat negative comments about the fence itself. Out of 215 votes, I am seriously doubting that the barely visible fence is what killed your score - but it probably does explain many of the ones - but most likely because people didn't see it at all - I didn't until I read the challenge title and even then I first thought your image title just implied it - then I looked closer.
Just my honest opinion - there were quite a few who liked the image, so there ya go. Hope my comments help. |
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03/26/2008 02:48:35 AM · #10 |
| Did not vote on your shot, but had I voted definitely not a 1. Giving a 1 IMO is way too harsh. |
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03/26/2008 03:05:56 AM · #11 |
The challenge called for "Make a photograph that features a fence in the composition." I wouldn't say that the fence is featured... it's barely even there.
So, I'm thinking that's what you got the 1s for... DNMC.
But, I didn't vote in the Fences challenge so I can't say for sure.
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03/26/2008 03:17:17 AM · #12 |
| I would have given it a 4. It's more centric on the tiger, not the fence. It would have looked cool with the cat blurry and the fence in focus, but this way round i think it falls short of it's potential. But i agree with the other posts, that amount of 1s is quite silly, but then again, we see the best work on this site getting it's fair share of 1s, 2s and 3s. |
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03/26/2008 03:49:51 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by cryingdragon:
Does it really deserve it?? |
With next to zero fence, maybe. My shot was almost identical, but with a very defined fence and conversion to B&W. Zero 1's.
Also, this topic was discussed during voting.... 'is it supposta be a picture OF a fence, or WITH a fence'? guess you found out the hard way. thread link
Message edited by author 2008-03-26 07:53:23. |
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03/26/2008 04:11:26 AM · #14 |
| Your voting distribution is a little skewed from the expected normal or "gaussian" distribution. In particular, there are less 3s and 4s than expected, but more 1s. I would bet that the excess 1s are from those that felt it was a DNMC. |
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03/26/2008 04:22:36 AM · #15 |
| I don't think it deserves so many ones. I'm assuming those who gave you a one felt it didn't fit the challenge at all what-so-ever. I think there is a fence there and you purposefully made it faint to illustrate the precarious job it is doing holding a 350 lb or so animal with fangs and claws at bay. |
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03/26/2008 04:46:57 AM · #16 |
17 1's? you beat me by 2!
So, my 3rd worst ever score (and lowest ever percentile at 8%). The purists amongst you make me now want to stifle my own creativity. IMHO yes, the fence is not obvious in my shot but fills almost 50% of the frame and I cannot believe people could not see the fence (have viewed it on several monitors and its there on all of them).
oh, and thanks go to  cstein96 for commenting again post voting to explain his vote.
DPC = Definately Prevents Creativity
Not a rant - honest - its just that I'll never understand the voting here so until I gain my 5.75 will shoot candy pics :) |
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03/26/2008 04:53:39 AM · #17 |
One thing I do want to say is that I'm not all worked up over the score. I knew it wasn't going to score well, it was just the skew.
BTW, thanks for all of the comments. Y'all are still great. |
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03/26/2008 05:02:10 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by cryingdragon:
One thing I do want to say is that I'm not all worked up over the score. I knew it wasn't going to score well, it was just the skew.
BTW, thanks for all of the comments. Y'all are still great. |
Am with you on this, and did mention it would fly or bomb, just didn't expect such a large bomb lol. |
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03/26/2008 05:43:53 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
so until I gain my 5.75 will shoot candy pics :) |
and in doing so will continue to perpetuate the very thing you are railing against. . .:(
"candy pics," as you call them, score well. others see that, and enter "candy pics" and so on and so on.
It is not dpc stifling your creativity. It is you stifling your creativity, in order to score higher. If everyone who complains about "candy pics" would stop submitting them, if they truly feel that they are soul-less and uncreative, then there may be a change. Until then. . . .
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03/26/2008 07:00:38 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Mike - I'm going to be brutally honest with ya - I didn't vote on the challenge and didn't even know which challenge the shot was entered in when I first clicked your thumbnail below and my first reaction was somewhat negative toward the overall color - it looks drab somewhat unsaturated. The tiger looks disinterested at best and the composition and crop is very good, IMO. I do think the concept was good, but not very well executed on a number of levels.
In looking at the comments and votes - you got 5, maybe 6 somehwat negative comments about the fence itself. Out of 215 votes, I am seriously doubting that the barely visible fence is what killed your score - but it probably does explain many of the ones - but most likely because people didn't see it at all - I didn't until I read the challenge title and even then I first thought your image title just implied it - then I looked closer.
Just my honest opinion - there were quite a few who liked the image, so there ya go. Hope my comments help. |
To be equally honest, I understand people voting it down because they didn't think the shot was strong enough technically or didn't connect on a personal level but to not see the fence after the title explicitly references it and marking it down as DNMC is just plain wrong. The fence couldn't be more evident in the photo after reading the title and looking at the photo again (I didn't even have to read the title to get it since I've seen 1000s of zoo photos of the years so it was quite obvious to see that the blur was the fence. Anyway, this wasn't a case of a title saying something exist in the photo that isn't there. The fence is there if one just looks. That said, you are right that it doesn't grab you off the bat. Had this blurry fence held back an aurora background voters would have fallen out of their seats after giving it a 10 whether they saw the fence or not. |
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03/26/2008 07:20:01 AM · #21 |
Does your photo deserve 17 1's? Definitely not. Heck, I dont think it deserves any ones. It's nice, but I think what would have helped would be an expression on the tiger (not necessarily your fault here, sometimesyou have to take what you can get) or moving the tiger's head off center. If you had moved him to the right third of the photo, I think my eyes would have seen the fence pattern more.
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03/26/2008 07:21:10 AM · #22 |
oh, and thanks go to cstein96 for commenting again post voting to explain his vote.
I had to go back and say something. I felt like such a jerk that I didnt notice it the first time I saw it. That's what happens when you have 200+ photos to go through I suppose. |
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03/26/2008 07:21:52 AM · #23 |
"couldn't be more evident in the photo after reading the title and looking at the photo again"
Maybe this is the problem (or part of it). Many DPC voters seem to resent shoehorns, and quite a few will define a shoehorn as something where you don't get the connection to the topic w/out the title. And yes, there are some who don't spend much time on images that they have an immediate DNMC reaction to.
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03/26/2008 07:34:53 AM · #24 |
The photo's primary subject is the tiger. The fence is such a faint, minor piece of the composition that it barely, if at all, met the challenge IMO. It's like the photographer said, "wow, look at this tiger".
Ok - somebody go ahead and post the challenge description now. :-) |
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03/26/2008 08:03:57 AM · #25 |
people here do seem to give out 1's and 2's like candy at Halloween :( I really struggle to understand most of them
IMHO a 1 or 2 should be for a truly awful photo, eg. oof or over edited etc, if the photo really doesn't meet the challenge at all then I knock off a point or two depending on how far I think they are. I alway revisit the photo's I've scored lower as well just to make sure I've given the photo enough time.
Personally I though the shot met the challenge, there was a fence in it even if it was just about. I gave a 7 FWIW |
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