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 02/24/2004 09:46:12 AM · #26
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Another funny idea,like tax refund for folks who don't pay taxes!


LOL

02/24/2004 10:02:28 AM · #27
I think it's a great idea to have a non-member only challenge, and to give the first place a prise of being a member for a one month.
Some of us like me can't affort 25$ a year. I am just a kid from Croatia, and there is no way for me to pay via card or paycheck. This would be a great chance to be a member and enter a member challenge only for one month.
 02/24/2004 10:47:54 AM · #28
Originally posted by Konador:
Cool, so paying members can pay not to enter challenges!


Tkalect's and Zmaerds's comments were very innocent, no harm in asking. You won't get very far in life if you don't ask for things and use your connections. I'm glad they atleast ASKED politely. And to all those saying cough up the coin, well, I've tried that and all I got was blood. So I guess you CAN get blood from a stone afterall..gee thanks.

Message edited by author 2004-02-24 16:02:14.
 02/25/2004 11:58:50 AM · #29
This site, like all sites, costs money to run. There are the costs of the server space, programs, dealing with all the photos. I don't know if there's paid staff - if not, we owe volunteers who do the work a great debt of gratitude. The $25 is a small enough cost to help cover what we gain from the site. It would be nice if this could be given away free, but I've seen some very cool sites go under because they didn't want to charge. I don't think, at this price, that anyone is getting rich off this site.
 02/25/2004 12:12:36 PM · #30
Originally posted by Dave Gordon:
This site, like all sites, costs money to run. There are the costs of the server space, programs, dealing with all the photos. I don't know if there's paid staff - if not, we owe volunteers who do the work a great debt of gratitude. The $25 is a small enough cost to help cover what we gain from the site.

Drew and Langdon "own" the site and are the sole beneficiaries(?) of any income/liabilities related to the site. There's about 12 people on the Site Council who help out with answering questions, evaluating DQ requests, etc.

That said, I see nothing wrong with once every 3 months or so running an additional challenge for non-paying members only, possibly a speed challenge or Free Study, partially as an enticement to further participation, and partly as a reward for the contribution they make through their participation. I don't think it takes anything away from or diminishes the value of a paid membership in any meaningful way.

If you are about to buy a box of crackers, would you reconsider just because the store chose that particular time to offer free samples of those same crackers to prospective buyers?
 02/25/2004 12:25:29 PM · #31
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Drew and Langdon "own" the site and are the sole beneficiaries(?) of any income/liabilities related to the site. There's about 12 people on the Site Council who help out with answering questions, evaluating DQ requests, etc.

That said, I see nothing wrong with once every 3 months or so running an additional challenge for non-paying members only, possibly a speed challenge or Free Study, partially as an enticement to further participation, and partly as a reward for the contribution they make through their participation. I don't think it takes anything away from or diminishes the value of a paid membership in any meaningful way.

If you are about to buy a box of crackers, would you reconsider just because the store chose that particular time to offer free samples of those same crackers to prospective buyers?


Maybe the Site Council should really think about this suggestion
 02/25/2004 12:27:17 PM · #32
Originally posted by GeneralE:
If you are about to buy a box of crackers, would you reconsider just because the store chose that particular time to offer free samples of those same crackers to prospective buyers?

To take your analogy a little further, let's pretend the store is a "warehouse club" where you have to pay to shop. Occassionally, the warehouse club has "free trial" days where you can shop without being a member. On those days, members are also able to shop (of course) -- it is just a little more crowded. Sometimes the warehouse club gives away free samples of food to entice you to buy. But on one particular "free trial" Thursday where guests can also shop, you go in -- as a member -- and want to sample some of the stuff they are giving away for free. But instead they say "sorry, you're a member, this free sample is only for guests"... doesn't make sense to me.

Message edited by author 2004-02-25 17:29:05.
 02/25/2004 12:52:24 PM · #33
I suspect there are still member services available to real members (not guests) -- like car financing perhaps.

I said diminish the value of a paid membership in any meaningful way. To say that you don't think it's OK to restrict 3-4 challenges (out of maybe 120/year) to non-members seems overly invested in principle and low on the practicality and generosity indices. You are also perhaps not factoring in the possible benefit to paid members of generating a larger paid membership base, and so reduce the risk of a fee increase, not to mention the benefit(?) of enlarging the pool of committed photographers participating.

I suggest a re-reading of the fable of the dog in the manger ... maybe not an exact analogy, but close enough for me ....
 02/25/2004 06:52:38 PM · #34
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I suspect there are still member services available to real members (not guests) -- like car financing perhaps.

I said diminish the value of a paid membership in any meaningful way. To say that you don't think it's OK to restrict 3-4 challenges (out of maybe 120/year) to non-members seems overly invested in principle and low on the practicality and generosity indices. You are also perhaps not factoring in the possible benefit to paid members of generating a larger paid membership base, and so reduce the risk of a fee increase, not to mention the benefit(?) of enlarging the pool of committed photographers participating.

I suggest a re-reading of the fable of the dog in the manger ... maybe not an exact analogy, but close enough for me ....


Well said!

Who would have thought so many members would have gotten their feathers ruffled over an idea that wouldn't affect their membership at all. It was an idea I proposed without giving much thought from the membership point of view. I can understand the argument of "Hey I paid, if you want in you should pay as well, it doesn't cost that much...", but this was an idea to entice people to participate, and through increased participation, it may/could help membership. I also didn't intend my idea to be a weekly thing, more or less a once a year or maybe once every six months kind of thing. Something special that only happens out of the blue. Members have benefits that registered users don't, and for those that don't think they have benefits as a member, then why did they join? If you only joined to help out with the cost of the site, then by all means let me give you my address so you can help me out with a few things!

Being a newly registered user, I didn't think I would have had this many replies to a harmless thought/suggestion. I'm only new here because I recently discovered the site, however it is worth noting I am thrilled with my discovery and I forsee myself becoming a "paid" member sooner than later. This is a great site, and without great people and differences in opinion it couldn't be as such. So thanks for all the input the "idea" received!
 02/26/2004 12:02:21 AM · #35
Maybe this could be realised more often, but member could enter this challenge. If a non-member win a challenge, he gets somekind of prise, lika a free member challenge submition.
This will be a great chance for us non-members who has no way to become a member to show oureself in better way.
Maybe you should reconsider it.
 02/26/2004 12:19:26 AM · #36
A couple of things. 25USD isn't much to most of us here (especially at the moment) -- but there are people from countries where 25SUD is a hell of a lot more serious an investment, and people of an age where 25USD is likewise.

I do think that putting up challenges that member can't submit to would be a poor idea: though most of the 'regular' winners are members, there is no photo quality condition on membership.

What might work would be offering, say, a month's membership as a prize - equally open to all, and functioning as an extension to membership for those already paid up. This would of course mean that one or two here would never be paying :-)

But if it came to a poll, I would be voting heavily against the idea - the point being that one of the glories of this site is that your 'only' reward for a win is the approbation of your peers. I also think that offering 52 free to enter challenges a year for diddly squat is a pretty good deal.

E
 02/26/2004 12:22:18 AM · #37
maybe a solution would be to make an open challenge every 3 - 4 months with a prize of one months membership whether the winner is already a member or not,
 02/26/2004 12:24:38 AM · #38
I agree, it all sounds to me like an added incentive to cheat.

Originally posted by e301:
A couple of things. 25USD isn't much to most of us here (especially at the moment) -- but there are people from countries where 25SUD is a hell of a lot more serious an investment, and people of an age where 25USD is likewise.

I do think that putting up challenges that member can't submit to would be a poor idea: though most of the 'regular' winners are members, there is no photo quality condition on membership.

What might work would be offering, say, a month's membership as a prize - equally open to all, and functioning as an extension to membership for those already paid up. This would of course mean that one or two here would never be paying :-)

But if it came to a poll, I would be voting heavily against the idea - the point being that one of the glories of this site is that your 'only' reward for a win is the approbation of your peers. I also think that offering 52 free to enter challenges a year for diddly squat is a pretty good deal.

E
02/26/2004 12:24:54 AM · #39
This might seem to far out to be considered, but here goes. I think it would be cool if we could set up a scholarship fund for those people that can't pay the 25 to become members and I volunteer to sponsor one person or donate one membership to a fund. Please do not email me with requests, but if a fund could be established, then there could be a nonmember challenge where everyone would be competing for a membership. I realize that I am fortunate to be where I am and would like to help both this site and the people that aren't as well off as me. Anyone else feel like starting something like this?
 02/26/2004 12:41:55 AM · #40
Do you like this site rhat much to want more non-member challanges. I propose after entering three non-member challanges, You must become a member to enter any more.
 02/26/2004 01:04:37 AM · #41
Keep it as it is - I do feel for those that are not in position to join, but that's life. You should be grateful that your able to use a site as good as this for nothing. All the membership gives you is an extra challenge..

I want to be a member of Augusta National, but can't afford it - perhaps they should have a non members only day? No.
02/26/2004 01:55:00 AM · #42
Originally posted by jonpink:
Keep it as it is - I do feel for those that are not in position to join, but that's life. You should be grateful that your able to use a site as good as this for nothing. All the membership gives you is an extra challenge..

I want to be a member of Augusta National, but can't afford it - perhaps they should have a non members only day? No.

Maybe your right. Maybe it should just stay the way it is, one day will be able to afford this small membership fee, but maybe that day this site won't even exist.
Maybe to have this one month prise membership challenge once in 6 months really was a bad idea...But who cares, like you say, that's life!
 02/26/2004 02:14:54 AM · #43
May I suggest getting a friend to pay via paypal if your too young? If you have internet access I am sure that costs more than $25 per year, plus a digital camera that also would have cost much more than £25?

I am not adverse to a anyone being given a free month, year decade etc, but your suggestion of non-members only challenges is a little silly..

02/26/2004 02:23:58 AM · #44
Random thought. There is a real, actual pool of challenge ideas to draw from - it is not an infinite source (though challenges get repeated)

I as a member, am the best widget photographer in the world, yet I suck at every other kind of photography - specialisation being the norm for actually getting good at this hobby lark.

The non-member only challenge happens to be 'Widgets, take your best picture of a widget that isn't a snafflepark, and be creative while having fun!!!'

Now, this is my chance to shine - I'm the widget Ansel Adams after all - but wait - I'm not allowed to enter and win a ribbon, because I've already paid money to join ?

Non-members complain about challenges they'd have loved to enter all of the time. It is supposed to be one of the incentives to join - this seems rather backwards with non-member only challenges.

Sure - have a challenge every now and then with a free membership as a prize - sounds like a great idea, but why restrict it to non-members ?

Also, I think we should have a site council only challenge every month or so. Also maybe a ribbon winner only challenge. Maybe we should have a previous losers challenge too ? Some of these suggestions are maybe more serious than others. Try and work out which!
 02/26/2004 03:19:13 AM · #45
can you imagine the comments on the losers challenge? ;)

Why not have challenge where you can only enter if you have come 24th?
02/26/2004 03:35:58 AM · #46
Originally posted by jonpink:
can you imagine the comments on the losers challenge? ;)

Why not have challenge where you can only enter if you have come 24th?


What about an almost but no cigar challenge for the 4th place photos? ;P
 02/26/2004 04:01:08 AM · #47
OK... Here's a crazy idea. How about a 1 or 2 times a year challenge perhaps with an old member challenge theme (but not necesarily) where only non-members enter, but only members vote! You would have the enticement of an extra challenge for the registered users, with the voting stability of member challenges, to give a taste of what it's like. Maybe that would be an enticement to pay? (Don't hit me it's just an idea...)
 02/26/2004 04:02:35 AM · #48
Originally posted by TooCool:
OK... Here's a crazy idea. How about a 1 or 2 times a year challenge perhaps with an old member challenge theme (but not necesarily) where only non-members enter, but only members vote! You would have the enticement of an extra challenge for the registered users, with the voting stability of member challenges, to give a taste of what it's like. Maybe that would be an enticement to pay? (Don't hit me it's just an idea...)


I second the good idea.
 02/26/2004 04:41:11 AM · #49
We could do a regular open challenge with the highest non-member finish getting the free month.
 02/26/2004 05:02:39 AM · #50
Originally posted by admart01:
We could do a regular open challenge with the highest non-member finish getting the free month.


I think the point of the whole thread is - why should it be the highest non-member ? Why not give the winner the free month or year ? If they've already paid - add it on as an extension.
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