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02/17/2004 05:17:31 PM · #1 |
Netsquirell
Another one
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02/17/2004 05:20:38 PM · #2 |
and then start using a real browser //www.mozilla.org
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Message edited by author 2004-02-17 22:21:04.
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02/17/2004 05:36:14 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by tarique:
and then start using a real browser //www.mozilla.org
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Amen! |
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02/17/2004 05:50:06 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by tarique:
and then start using a real browser //www.mozilla.org
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Mozilla is an excellent browser. Though, I prefer lean browsers without the bloat. I don't need Mozilla Mail, Usenet Client, IRC, HTML editing, DOM inspector, etc... I just want to view web pages. The Mozilla Firefox browser is perfect for that.
Of course, us Linux and Mac users have Konqueror (or "Safari" as it's called in Mac land.)
Addendum: I should have been clearer. Mozilla and Mozilla Firefox are not the same browser. Firefox is an offshoot of Mozilla, using the same engine, but a redesigned user interface.
Message edited by author 2004-02-17 22:52:42. |
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02/17/2004 05:52:11 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Dyslexic:
The Mozilla Firefox browser is perfect for that. |
The download manager on Firefox 0.8 really rocks :)
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02/17/2004 05:59:59 PM · #6 |
| Firefox is cool - just wish they could stick with the same name for more than one cvs commit |
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02/17/2004 06:18:10 PM · #7 |
you know when you download mozilla you only have to install the browser
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02/17/2004 10:50:10 PM · #8 |
| Very cool website, Thanks pitsaman. |
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02/17/2004 10:54:02 PM · #9 |
I don't see anything wrong with good ol' IE :)
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02/18/2004 12:11:10 AM · #10 |
downloading firefox see what all the fuss is about ;)
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02/18/2004 12:26:01 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Konador:
I don't see anything wrong with good ol' IE :) |
Perhaps you missed this week's fun IE vulerability!
//www.securityfocus.com/news/8060
I would think that the ability to remotely install software on your machine, simply by viewing a webpage that contains a bitmap would be a bit of an issue for you..
But then, what could possibly go wrong, with good ol' IE on your side?
cheers
-MrBoB
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02/18/2004 12:37:27 AM · #12 |
| u think ie is the only browser/app that has security flaws? |
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02/18/2004 01:18:18 AM · #13 |
The original post here links to an article that explicitly states that 'pretty much every browser on the planet', and then even more explicitly names Netscape, Opera, Mozilla, as being vulnerable to URL spoofing.
But they're still better, because they ain't from MS, yeah?
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02/18/2004 01:21:43 AM · #14 |
Read that again Ed.
It says that any other browser will display the spoofed address correctly. Internet Explorer will not.
In fact, here's the applicable quote:
That spoofed Microsoft link you clicked on will take pretty much every browser on the planet—Netscape, Opera, Mozilla, etc.—not to microsoft.com but rather to ebay.com. That's NOT the problem. The problem is that while Netscape, Opera, and Mozilla all show you something's wrong with that spoofed Microsoft URL by displaying something funky in the address or status bars like "//www.microsoft.com____ebay.com/" or "//www.microsoft.com_", unpatched versions of Internet Explorer give you no "warning" whatsoever. Instead, unpatched versions of Internet Explorer simply display the WRONG URL in BOTH the address and status bars.
THAT'S the problem.
Message edited by EddyG - Removed offended characters to avoid spoof warning. |
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02/18/2004 01:29:11 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by e301:
But they're still better, because they ain't from MS, yeah?
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And yes, but not because they're from Microsoft, but because they offer advanced features like Tabbed Browsing and Popup Blocking, and more to the point, they've supported said features for at least two years. They also support web standards more correctly than Internet Explorer and do less wonky stuff with CSS.
-Matt
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02/18/2004 01:32:05 AM · #16 |
I am getting trojan warnings on this thread from my anti virus software...what is going on?
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02/18/2004 01:35:31 AM · #17 |
| Probably the non-printable characters in my post. If you surf to the initial link, does it give the same warning? |
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02/18/2004 01:36:21 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by mbardeen:
And yes, but not because they're from Microsoft, but because they offer advanced features like Tabbed Browsing and Popup Blocking, and more to the point, they've supported said features for at least two years. |
IE has been criticised in the past for being 'just a rectangle', which is funny, because that's exactly what I want.
It's easy to criticise IE because it doesn't have this or that feature.. If Opera or Moz are so good, why does IE has such a massive share of the market?
Originally posted by mbardeen:
They also support web standards more correctly than Internet Explorer and do less wonky stuff with CSS. |
IE, rightly or wrongly, is the standard. |
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02/18/2004 01:39:42 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
It's easy to criticise IE because it doesn't have this or that feature.. If Opera or Moz are so good, why does IE has such a massive share of the market?
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Now, there's a discussion that being pursued through all sorts of forums :-)
Indeed, Matt and others, I should have read that article more thoroughly. Apologies for my lack of care.
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02/18/2004 01:51:46 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
IE has been criticised in the past for being 'just a rectangle', which is funny, because that's exactly what I want.
It's easy to criticise IE because it doesn't have this or that feature.. If Opera or Moz are so good, why does IE has such a massive share of the market?
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Trolling.. must resist.. must... awww. screw it. Funny. I could have sworn MS was going on about the "Freedom to Innovate" a couple years back. The beauty of the other browsers is that they can be "just a rectangle" if you want them to be, or they can be so much more if you don't. Microsoft doesn't provide the later option. I don't see much innovation going on in Internet Explorer that doesn't enrich it's pockets. Popup blocking in I.E. was deliberately left out because of the ad revenues it would have lost MSN. |
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02/18/2004 02:09:15 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by mbardeen:
Trolling.. must resist.. must... awww. screw it. |
I'm not "trolling" in the slightest.
IE has a massive market share. FACT.
If IE did not fulfill people's needs, they would migrate to other solutions.
Rather than criticising IE and Microsoft, answer me this:
If IE is so bad, why does it have such a big market share? |
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02/18/2004 02:23:45 AM · #22 |
Well I know one thing for sure... I know Netscape Blows...
The only reason IE has so many flaws pop-up is because so many people use it. Why don't more people write hacks or take advantage of vunerabilities for MAC? Because no-one use a MAC (compared to PC), it's the same with IE vs. Netscape.
If your smart enough to do the updates, it's not a problem...
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02/18/2004 02:29:36 AM · #23 |
If your smart enough to do the updates, it's not a problem...
. . . at least until the next "mydoom" surfaces.
7 years on Netscape exclusively - not one single virus has made it through!
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02/18/2004 02:50:54 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
If IE is so bad, why does it have such a big market share? |
I'm not on the IE is bad bandwagon - but to answer this - I'm sure part of the reason it's so popular is that it comes pre-installed on all machines running Windows. Most people don't want to download something different / know there is something different available. |
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02/18/2004 02:54:51 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
IE has a massive market share. FACT.
If IE did not fulfill people's needs, they would migrate to other solutions.
Rather than criticising IE and Microsoft, answer me this:
If IE is so bad, why does it have such a big market share? |
I'm sorry... Did you miss the whole antitrust trial?
FACT: Microsoft used its operating system monopoly (not illegal) to extend its browser market share (illegal). They were ordered at one point to stop bundling IE with Windows. Their response to this was to "integrate" it with the operating system so it was part of the same product. It was at this point that the case came to trial. This "integration" was of dubious value, as it made the operating system less stable and less secure.
I'm not criticising Microsoft and IE because they have a big market share. I'm criticising them because they put out shoddy second rate products. Think about it. If a few thousand volunteers working together on the internet in their spare time can put together a fairly secure operating system, why can't a 20,000 person company with billions of dollars at its disposal? How many times have you been promised a Windows product that's "more stable and more secure" and makes everything you do "faster and more fun"? - These words have been repeated on the install of every Microsoft Windows product since Win95. It's been 8 years and 4 releases since then and they still haven't got it right yet.
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