I am on the edge about on the edge!!!

Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

12/26/2003 09:38:53 AM · #1

I have enough of this - On the edge - challenge, to tell the truth. The challenge description was "There are many boundaries in our world. Create a photograph that speaks to these transitions, borders, edges." I interpreted this as we have to take photos of boundaries, borders in our life(!) and not just edges as usual. I thought I was clear with the message of the photo, quality is not bad, I think so, and I got heaps of 2 without comments - I was given 2 commets as far, both of them said they liked it.

I just didn't want to hurt anybody, because there are many high-quality photos that I love and I try to be tolerant with those what I do not like! I just would be MUCH happier if I would get comments and be informed about what I have done wrong with my submission. <<< This bold is the most important point here, but as far as I see, everyone goes for the interpretation of the challenge. (Edited in order to avoid more misunderstanding.)

Message edited by author 2003-12-26 18:54:53.

Charles Philip

Olympus C-300Z

12/26/2003 09:51:01 AM · #2

I totally agree.

sonnyh

Canon EOS-7D

12/26/2003 10:03:32 AM · #3

ditto

Pedro

Nikon D200

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR DG IF-ED

12/26/2003 10:20:10 AM · #4

as with EVERY challenge topic, there are several interpretations and/or variations, based on the theme.

Why can't people just accept that not everyone will have the same idea as their own, and judge it accordingly?

The EDGE of the city, the EDGE of the ocean, the EDGE of a knife, the EDGE of my patience with ridiculous threads about challenge topic literalists...

12/26/2003 10:23:29 AM · #5

Yup! I'm right there with ya. I've got 4 comments so far, all of which were good and saying how great the shot was, but I'm down to a 4.8 now and was a high 6.

I've noticed here that if your photos make someone think, even a little, you'll probably get a low score. The Simplicity challenge was a good example. If you're shot was not a "simple" still life shot, it didn't not meet the challenge, even if it represented the other qualities mentioned in the description of the challenge.

I do think as others have mentioned that a small picture description should be visible during the challenge voting. It obvious that some people just can not "get it" when voting on certain images. I know I've been guilty of "not getting it" before and had to go back and adjust a score after it sunk in what the photographer was trying to convey. A simple description would have helped a lot there.

As long as you're happy with your photo, that's all that matters. :-)

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

12/26/2003 10:45:07 AM · #6

Pedroness... :-) I can accept it, I have voted for all photos in this challenge and my lowest score was 3 - I said I try to be very tolerant with those photos what I hate, too. Maybe I have written it wrong here, my problem is not with the edges of anything, rather than having the 15th 2 for my photo without any comment.

Chris: I like it, and you are right. Knowing that this would be my very lowest score here, I would submit it again. Strong feelings bind me to my shot, and I totally agree with those who hate it and vote 2. I just want to hear their opinions: "bad lighting, doesn't meet the challenge, awful colours, unbearable composition", anything that would help me understand them now that they didn't understand me.

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

12/26/2003 12:51:27 PM · #7

I know it won't be much of a consolation, but the idea that the quality of photos entered is consistently better than the quality of voting, may help some entrants cope. And if no one challenges my assumption, we'll have a lil therapy. ;-)

Sigma 28-105mm f/2.8-4.0 Aspherical for Canon

12/26/2003 01:17:23 PM · #8

Zeuszen. :-))) This is why I wrote it in a Rant, because it's hidden for those who don't allow it appear. To tell the truth I measure my On the edge submission's score to my previous photos and I think it's much better than those that scored much better.

Rooster

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

12/26/2003 01:31:25 PM · #9

You know, I wonder if this thread would have been started if the scores were high. I mean would you be upset about all the pictures YOU think do not literally apply as you see it? I never see a thread started by someone that is currently scoring high on their shot, ranting about how shots don;t fit & how people should read the challenge & blah, blah, blah.

How does anyone else know how other shots are doing that they think don;t fit the challenge? How does one know how others are scoring those shots? And lastly, & most importantly, how do you know why others are scoring your shot low? Maybe it has nothing to do with how it fits the challenge.

My shot ain;t doing that well & I think mine fits the challenge in my mind & how you interpret it. The difference is, IMO, I worked for my shot & am very proud of it regardless of how it is doing in challenge. Therefore, I am happy no matter what.

12/26/2003 01:45:27 PM · #10

Rooster, I corrected myself later, that I didn't mean it that way that other's have the mistake, as I said I liked the photos in this challenge and I gave just a few low scores. I meant in that way that mine was not the edge of something, it has aboundary feeling, and this is why I asked people to write more comments about it when they vote it low, 'cos I wanna know what have I done wrong with it. You can read this in my very first comment here. And rant was not chosen because I wanted to rant on others. I just chose it because I was a bit more straight with my thoughts as usual. If I wrote all in a way that's easy to misunderstand, sorry.

12/26/2003 01:46:47 PM · #11

Ah, about others. We had a discussion with some friends who had the same feeling (without mentioning photos). I think mine was technically better than those of mine that scored high. I just think I have to give a mega-wow effect to them to get above 5, that's all. (5.0 would be a great score, although I think it's way better than a photo of mine near 5.5 - just my opinion) You know, I was just maked pissed off after the 15th 2 without comment today, because I think it's way not that bad. And I wasn't upset or happy about other photos, it's one thing that I have never said, either.

Rooster: Original first post edited for the ones who keep misunderstanding it.

Message edited by author 2003-12-26 19:03:52.

TooCool

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

12/26/2003 02:00:26 PM · #12

Originally posted by zeuszen:

Are you trying to say that the quality of images is consistently better then the 3.51 average vote that you have cast?

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

12/26/2003 02:28:49 PM · #13

Originally posted by TooCool:

Are you trying to say that the quality of images is consistently better then the 3.51 average vote that you have cast?

Hey, we should really stop misunderstanding each other, what do you think? Actually my problem was the same old stuff: those who vote low should write comments, I like to know what I have done wrong. May be my fault, too, that some people misunderstood it.

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

12/26/2003 02:58:45 PM · #14

Originally posted by TooCool:

Originally posted by zeuszen:
I know it won't be much of a consolation, but the idea that the quality of photos entered is consistently better than the quality of voting, may help some entrants cope. And if no one challenges my assumption, we'll have a lil therapy. ;-)

Are you trying to say that the quality of images is consistently better then the 3.51 average vote that you have cast?

Yes, as a therapeutic jest. It may also be useful to view this statistic in light of the fact that I've never, in fact, cast a single 3.51 vote. ;-)

Message edited by author 2003-12-26 20:35:13.

12/26/2003 03:02:36 PM · #15

Originally posted by zeuszen:

Yes, as a therapeutic jest. I may also be useful to view this statistic in light of the fact that I've never, in fact, cast a single 3.51 vote. ;-)

LOL, including my complaints about interpretations I still have a feeling that I am way too tolerant. :-)))))

Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

12/26/2003 03:10:33 PM · #16

Originally posted by vadvirag:

Originally posted by TooCool:
Are you trying to say that the quality of images is consistently better then the 3.51 average vote that you have cast?

Hey, we should really stop misunderstanding each other, what do you think? Actually my problem was the same old stuff: those who vote low should write comments, I like to know what I have done wrong. May be my fault, too, that some people misunderstood it.

Marta - I think TC was referring to zeuszen's post.

I think we are all in agreement that it would be nice to see reasons why we recieve low votes. I think we also agree that the low votes don't matter in the "grand scheme of things", as long as we are happy with our own photos and are learning from our experiences.

That being said, it does feel good to let off steam and post a rant sometimes. Don't apologize for posting your thoughts here.

Now to those that don't like seeing people post about not liking the scores that they are recieving or wanting more information, my advice to you...don't read the RANT forum. That's what it is here for...let 'em vent. :-)

sonnyh

Canon EOS-7D

12/26/2003 03:14:05 PM · #17

Maybe I have written it wrong here, my problem is not with the edges of anything, rather than having the 15th 2 for my photo without any comment

Could you or anyone else please explain to me how you know that you have received your 15th 2 with no comment. Is there something I'm missing?

Rooster

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Sigma 28-105mm f/2.8-4.0 Aspherical for Canon

12/26/2003 05:35:45 PM · #18

Originally posted by vadvirag:

V,
it's not just this thread but all the others preceding it. First let me say that you should not be sorry for anything you said. You have the right o say it & rant about it, so gone & do so. I agree with you about the comments. I have only 7 after 114 votes and obviously by the score, folks are scoring low & I would LOVE to know why. But what can I do about that. Nada. I often feel that I dont want to leave another comment bc I get so few myself. But then I leave 'em anyway just so I can explain myself and others dont have to wonder why I voted as I did.

But thats me.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

12/26/2003 06:34:34 PM · #19

Originally posted by sonnyh:

Some people refresh their score so compulsively that they manage to update after every vote; a little elementary arithmetic allows you to calculate what any just-received vote was.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

12/26/2003 07:49:13 PM · #20

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Some people refresh their score so compulsively that they manage to update after every vote...

Is there a support group for this compulsive behavior? If not, maybe we need to form one.

"Hello. My name is Chris, and it has been 10 minutes since my last stat refresh..." :-)

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

12/26/2003 08:11:09 PM · #21

Originally posted by cbeller:

Originally posted by GeneralE:
Some people refresh their score so compulsively that they manage to update after every vote...

Is there a support group for this compulsive behavior? If not, maybe we need to form one.

"Hello. My name is Chris, and it has been 10 minutes since my last stat refresh..." :-)

Yes, it is at the DPC Fanatics Chat Room.

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

12/27/2003 05:14:42 AM · #22

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Yes, it is at the DPC Fanatics Chat Room.

I attend sessions there regularly. :)

coolhar

12/27/2003 05:35:50 AM · #23

Just finished voting On the Edge. I'm kinda bummed out by how many entries interpreted the topic as the edge of death and despair, and the suicide images.