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01/27/2007 11:20:01 AM · #1 |
| I received a remark on one of my submissions saying it was little under (dark) and the same admission received a note that it was light; this got me thinking: How do different computer monitors influence the way people see a photo and vote for it!! |
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01/27/2007 11:31:50 AM · #2 |
If a monitor is not calibrated properly the viewed image with be too dark or too light.
When voting on an image there's a bar of blocks below the image with gradations from white to black. If you can't see all the gradations then the contrast/brightness is not set properly on your monitor. |
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01/27/2007 11:36:45 AM · #3 |
Whether your monitor is calibrated or not you will always get those comments because not everyone will have calibrated monitors. The only remedy is to edit your photos with that in mind and keep your critical detail away from near black or near white.
Message edited by author 2007-01-27 16:36:59.
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01/29/2007 01:03:22 PM · #4 |
I have noticed this in particular on my B&W images that I submitted. Both were on the dark side, but adjusted where I really liked them. When I looked at them on my work LCD, they were noticably darker. I also receive comments on them as being too dark. I don't think it is as much of a problem for general images with well distributed tones, but certainly for images with dominant dark tones.
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01/29/2007 01:07:41 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Whether your monitor is calibrated or not you will always get those comments because not everyone will have calibrated monitors. The only remedy is to edit your photos with that in mind and keep your critical detail away from near black or near white. |
I agree... I often run a Brightness/Contrast layer over mine before I submit to see if I might see things voters will knock me down for. It's not often that I get the too bright or too dark comments.
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01/29/2007 01:10:39 PM · #6 |
There's a lot of talk about calibration, but the truth is that there is a lot of variance even among calibrated monitors. Mine is calibrated, but seems to run slightly dark even when optimized.
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01/29/2007 01:20:28 PM · #7 |
| I agree, I have calibrated my monitor yet when I submit a photo it seems darker than in PS. |
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01/29/2007 01:23:45 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by davyaldy:
I agree, I have calibrated my monitor yet when I submit a photo it seems darker than in PS. |
By variance, I meant my calibrated monitor isn't going to be like your calibrated monitor or someone else's calibrated monitor. We'll all be calibrated, but all will display the same photo differently. There shouldn't be a difference from PS to a browser unless you're not converting the profile to sRGB before submitting.
Message edited by author 2007-01-29 18:25:23.
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01/29/2007 01:37:51 PM · #9 |
| Strange, I work in sRGB so it should be that. |
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01/29/2007 01:38:39 PM · #10 |
You should be able to see the graduations. |
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01/29/2007 01:40:14 PM · #11 |
| I can see all but the last 2 as different. |
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01/29/2007 01:42:06 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by davyaldy:
I can see all but the last 2 as different. |
That's how mine is too, at home. I've never been able to get it so that I can see everything at both ends, and chose to keep it on the dark side rather than blow out everyone's highlights, heh. If anyone ever feels compelled to take a stab at getting a true and proper calibration out of it, PM me for directions ;-)
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01/29/2007 01:44:55 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
There's a lot of talk about calibration, but the truth is that there is a lot of variance even among calibrated monitors. Mine is calibrated, but seems to run slightly dark even when optimized. |
I'm sure there will be variation between calibrated monitors, but it should be a lot less than the variation between uncalibrated monitors.
If you are viewing an image on your calibrated monitor and it seems dark on another calibrated monitor, you'll need to look into just how both monitors are being calibrated. i.e. white point, gamma, ambient light, etc.
Message edited by author 2007-01-29 18:45:36.
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01/31/2007 08:34:53 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by davyaldy:
I agree, I have calibrated my monitor yet when I submit a photo it seems darker than in PS. |
I'm no expert on this subject, but do you view it in proof mode (View -> Proof Colors), using your monitor's calibration profile (View -> Proof Setup -> Custom)?
When I do this and then use the printers profile to print, what I get from the printer is virtually identical to what I see on the screen. And after calibrating all my computers, color and brightness seems virtually identical too. |
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01/31/2007 08:39:42 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
Originally posted by davyaldy:
I can see all but the last 2 as different. |
That's how mine is too, at home. I've never been able to get it so that I can see everything at both ends, and chose to keep it on the dark side rather than blow out everyone's highlights, heh. If anyone ever feels compelled to take a stab at getting a true and proper calibration out of it, PM me for directions ;-) |
Not all montiors are able to ever show a complete 0 to 255 greyscale. That scale does change in 10 point steps at the far two ends but it can be beyond the dynamic range of many monitors.
If you want to play safe, one way is to fix your white and black point of the image to 245,245,245 and 10,10,10 respectively, rather than using the full 255 to 0 range that many people can never see.
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02/06/2007 09:52:33 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
...fix your white and black point of the image to... |
How is this done? |
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02/07/2007 08:00:21 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by faidoi:
You should be able to see the graduations. |
And all the boxes should have about the same brightness "step". Also, the grey should be grey, and not tinted by some other color.
See //www.normankoren.com/makingfineprints1B.html#gamma_3lvl for a gamma check and more interesting facts about calibration. |
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