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01/07/2007 02:19:58 PM · #1
I finally get to jump into the world of DSLR next month. Now comes the time to pick a camera. I am partial to Canon. I have priced the XT, XTi and 20D. And I would like to get a 70-300mm lens and possibly one other lens. Is the dust cleaning feature on an XTi really worth the extra expense. And would a 20D be a too large of jump for someone just starting out with DSLR? Any suggestions on a third lens other than the kit lens and the 70-300mm would be great.

Thank you in advance
Ryan
01/07/2007 02:25:13 PM · #2
My opinion:

Go with the XT or a used 20D. Plenty of camera for a beginner and the money saved can go toward a good lens.

A lot suggest the 50mm 1.8 about $80

It is a good lens. But if you save the money and buy the XT or a used 20D buy the 85mm 1.8about $300

It is worth the extra cost.

Message edited by author 2007-01-07 19:25:58.
01/07/2007 02:26:48 PM · #3
You will still get dust on the sensor with the XTi - possibly not as much but still enough to be annoying.
01/07/2007 02:41:07 PM · #4
Get the cheap body and spend the extra on good glass. Bodies come and go. Good lenses will last forever.
01/07/2007 02:43:27 PM · #5
Skip the kit lens.
01/07/2007 02:44:52 PM · #6
Originally posted by quiet_observation:

Skip the kit lens.


I think it is actually a good lens. Get it. If you get a 70-300 it will suck to not get wide like 18mm. It is a very good lens if you know how to use it.
01/07/2007 02:46:52 PM · #7
Originally posted by rex:

Originally posted by quiet_observation:

Skip the kit lens.


I think it is actually a good lens. Get it. If you get a 70-300 it will suck to not get wide like 18mm. It is a very good lens if you know how to use it.


I agree. Nothing wrong with the kit lens if you use it right.
01/07/2007 02:49:32 PM · #8
I was looking at getting the 70-300mm for the long reach since I have alot of wildlife opportunties right in my back yard. Some of the shots will be at a good distance.
01/07/2007 02:52:04 PM · #9
ok so get:

Rebel XT or a used 20D w/kit lens: $800
70-300 Sigma: $150
50mm 1.8: $80
4 Gig card: $80

Total: $1150

My prices are estimate I have not done research.

Message edited by author 2007-01-07 19:52:11.
01/07/2007 02:57:50 PM · #10
How much cash you plan on spending? $1000 $1500 If your budget is $1000 get the XT and the lenses you spoke of. If $1500 is your budget then I would get the 20D with the kit lens for $1050 and the other lenses. That's just me though.
01/07/2007 03:06:13 PM · #11
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:

I agree. Nothing wrong with the kit lens if you use it right.


I like the kit lens, but if I had my way, I'd be using the EF-S 17-85mm IS USM instead. Covers the same wide-angle range, plus some extra length and much better focusing (and IS!)...

Santa failed me on that one, this year.
01/07/2007 03:08:15 PM · #12
The xti has the 2.5 inch LCD. I had the 10D which had the same size LCD as the 20D. I can tell you that having that 2.5 LCD is a HUGE advantage. I can really see whether or not my shot is sharp and focused by just checking the short after shot preview. I wouldn't buy the xti before the 20D any day of the week based upon the size of the LCD
01/07/2007 03:26:26 PM · #13
Originally posted by rex:

ok so get:

Rebel XT or a used 20D w/kit lens: $800
70-300 Sigma: $150
50mm 1.8: $80
4 Gig card: $80

Total: $1150

My prices are estimate I have not done research.


Rebel XT w/kit lens is currently about $600. Most people suggest getting the APO version of the Sigma and that runs a bit over $200. Ditto on the 50mm. B&H has the Sandisk 4GB Ultra II CF cards for $64.

Total : ~$950

Message edited by author 2007-01-07 20:27:14.
01/07/2007 06:32:06 PM · #14
Buy the cheapest camera you can buy and splurge on the lenses.

Don't waist your time or money on kit lenses and skip the 70-300. Also, don't invest in the EF-S lenses either. I'm hoping Canon will come out soon with a sub $1,000 full frame digital camera.

Buy the 50mm it's a great lense and cheap. You'll also need something wide, so look at the 28mm or 24mm. If you're not into primes check out the 28-135 with IS. Everyone raves about this one.

Then start saving up your money for L glass. Get either the 17-40mm or 70-200mm to start.

Remember, it's not the camera, but the lenses that make the picture.
01/07/2007 06:33:25 PM · #15
Originally posted by Nullix:


Remember, it's not the camera, but the lenses that make the picture.


It is not the lenses either. It is the Photographer.
01/07/2007 06:45:39 PM · #16
Originally posted by Nullix:


Don't waist your time or money on kit lenses and skip the 70-300. Also, don't invest in the EF-S lenses either. I'm hoping Canon will come out soon with a sub $1,000 full frame digital camera.


That's inconceivable :-) Those sensors are WAY more expensive to produce than the APS-C sensors. Plus FF cameras require MUCH more expensive glass for the same range of coverage. Where's the incentive, then, for a cheap FF camera?

R.
01/07/2007 07:25:18 PM · #17
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Nullix:


Don't waist your time or money on kit lenses and skip the 70-300. Also, don't invest in the EF-S lenses either. I'm hoping Canon will come out soon with a sub $1,000 full frame digital camera.


That's inconceivable :-)


"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
--Inigo Montoya

Canon came out with the first sub $1,000 DSLR. The price of the FF camera is coming down. I'm betting they'll do it with the FF camera.

Canon EOS-1Ds $3,999.95
Canon EOS 5D $2,789.95

I'm waiting for the Canon EOS 3D FF for somewhere around $1,000
01/07/2007 07:29:05 PM · #18
I can't belive you guys got this guy spending all kinds of money.

This is the best advice you will ever get. And I am not saying that because I am the one giving this advice. Someone will chime in here and confirm what I am about to tell you.

Go to the camera store. Hold a Rebel XT, Rebel XTi, 20D, and a Nikon

Buy what feels most comfortable in your hand. I bought the Rebel XT without doing that and it was just too small. I wasted my money. The good side is my wife now has a camera.

Message edited by author 2007-01-08 00:29:48.
01/07/2007 09:38:06 PM · #19
I agree, you've got to hold the cameras and try them to see which one suits.

I will, however, say that the larger LCD screen on the XTi (and, presumably, the 30D) is more useful for reviewing shots than that on the 20D.
01/07/2007 10:47:45 PM · #20
why would you beat a dead horse... thats just............. cruel!
01/07/2007 11:37:28 PM · #21
Originally posted by kawana:

why would you beat a dead horse... thats just............. cruel!
01/07/2007 11:39:58 PM · #22
01/07/2007 11:47:29 PM · #23
*** Actually, asking for advice on equipment purchases is not a dead horse issue, since the situation is always unique to the one asking for advice ***

I withdraw my horsey.
01/07/2007 11:54:18 PM · #24
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

*** Actually, asking for advice on equipment purchases is not a dead horse issue, since the situation is always unique to the one asking for advice ***


these questions pops-up rather frequently. maybe someone can compile the questions and break them into YES/NO answers, and slowly lead the person to the "logical" answer? :)
01/08/2007 12:32:17 AM · #25
Originally posted by crayon:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

*** Actually, asking for advice on equipment purchases is not a dead horse issue, since the situation is always unique to the one asking for advice ***


these questions pops-up rather frequently. maybe someone can compile the questions and break them into YES/NO answers, and slowly lead the person to the "logical" answer? :)


can you say..........FLOW CHART!!! :-P
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