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10/12/2006 11:20:39 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by sea2c:
it was so "vague" and really didn't say anything at all. |
As photographers improve, so do commenters. Next challenge you might get something more telling such as 'really dull', 'very dull' or even 'extremely dull'. You can't expect everyone to start out at the top of their game. |
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10/12/2006 11:24:33 AM · #77 |
| I received a one liner "boring". Thought about it and agreed. It is a boring image. If the line was "dull" I would have agreed as well. Tells me a lot. |
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10/12/2006 11:26:23 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
As photographers improve, so do commenters. Next challenge you might get something more telling such as 'really dull', 'very dull' or even 'extremely dull'. You can't expect everyone to start out at the top of their game. |
That's my dream baby! Hopefully my pictures will improve with those comments! heh. Gee, hopefully I haven't reach the top of my game! Ouch!
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10/12/2006 11:27:50 AM · #79 |
Not all of these guys leave incendiary comments and not all place a question or misstate a fact but those that do know pretty well the effect they have. |
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10/12/2006 11:36:49 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by sea2c:
There is ALWAYS going to be someone that tells us we suck, that isn't the issue here. Tell me why. |
I think you're kind of missing the point.
To say an image is "nice" or "great" is pretty uninformative, of course. It's flattering but it doesn't help in any other way. But to say an image is "Dull!" is actually very informative. Think about it: how can I expand on that? IN what way, exactly, could I "add" to my "dull" comment to explain WHY the shot is dull? I can add adjectives, I can use a bigger vocabulary, but how do you quantify a thematic negative like that? Would "dull and lifeless" work better? See what I mean.
It's just dull, maybe; nothing to see, no impression left, time to move on. That's how that commenter felt and it's (to my eyes at least) very valid & useful critique, much more so than "nice" or "fantastic"; these could best be served up with at least passing mention of what it is that makes the image work so well.
R. |
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10/12/2006 11:44:14 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by sea2c:
There is ALWAYS going to be someone that tells us we suck, that isn't the issue here. Tell me why. |
I think you're kind of missing the point.
To say an image is "nice" or "great" is pretty uninformative, of course. It's flattering but it doesn't help in any other way. But to say an image is "Dull!" is actually very informative. Think about it: how can I expand on that? IN what way, exactly, could I "add" to my "dull" comment to explain WHY the shot is dull? I can add adjectives, I can use a bigger vocabulary, but how do you quantify a thematic negative like that? Would "dull and lifeless" work better? See what I mean.
It's just dull, maybe; nothing to see, no impression left, time to move on. That's how that commenter felt and it's (to my eyes at least) very valid & useful critique, much more so than "nice" or "fantastic"; these could best be served up with at least passing mention of what it is that makes the image work so well.
R. |
Well, just my 2 pesos here, but Dull can be descriptive of the whole shot or just one aspect of it. If the commentor does not specify, the submitter may just assume the there is nothing redeeming about the shot whatsoever.
I have one my images which did not get a comment but I would first think okay, Dull. If I was to leave a comment, it would be something like " The image is sort of flat or dull. I think I see where you were going with the two unrelated items, but the background color is bland, so something brighter perhaps a true white or a bright color would help by causing some contrast on the two items. Also, Some better lighting may have helped." SO, I believe you Can turn a "Dull" comment into something much more by giving some feedback on what could have helped the image not be "dull".
Edit: In short, the word "Dull" doesn't help much so I'd prefer either a bit more detail on why it is dull or how to keep it from being dull or simply no comment at all as I can't read the commentors mind as to what their interpretation of "dull" is in relation to the many aspects of one's photo.
Btw, I love that Ducky Plays the Mandolin picture. Cracks me up every time. Great shot.
Message edited by author 2006-10-12 15:48:34.
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10/12/2006 11:56:12 AM · #82 |
I also think that the issue rises above the comment "dull" I believe that its meaning is amplified because the commenter was hiiden during voting.
Look, we must be our own best critic. Whenever we feel unsure of an image, do not hope and wish that the voters will overlook the shortcomings. Usually they find even more defects. Yes, the object is to learn but group cooperation is not always present. We want comments but resent the put downs yet they serve a purpose but their importance should be weighted against all other comments received on the image. Keep in mind that some folks are not gifted in imparting their feelings. They simply do not care about the consequences of their speech. However, we can gather that our image did not impress them. lol |
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10/12/2006 11:58:41 AM · #83 |
let's have a one word comment challenge - Free Study - only one word per comment!
FUN!!
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10/12/2006 11:59:39 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by dallasdux:
... I can't read the commentors mind as to what their interpretation of "dull" is in relation to the many aspects of one's photo. ... |
After the challenge is over visit the commenters profile, get a feel for other comments that have been made by that person. Either the person is a complete commenter at times but wasn't inspired by your image, or this person leaves many short comments without elaboration. Either way you can judge how to approach it afterwards by asking (via PM) for clarification ("what did you mean by dull, can you elaborate please?") - or just ignore it based on what that person's profile tells you.
In the meantime, no big deal...thick skin is part of the game here. Doesn't take too long to get it. Another thing DPC will give you over time is knee-jerk reaction control. That's the hard one to get a handle on. :-) |
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10/12/2006 12:08:58 PM · #85 |
wasnt me, but i'm not clued up about the technical side of things,
so i often leave a one word comment. 99% of the time its positive.
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10/12/2006 12:20:51 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by sea2c:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Some people have such a heavy emotional attachment to their images that ANY remark that suggests that the photo is not worthy of the highest praise is offensive and insulting.
The people who take a comment as timid as "Dull." so personally, should never take their work for professional review. I have and I was told to my face, "You should put down your camera and go back to work at McDonalds.", "This is crap. Who's next?", "Come back when you figure out how your camera works." and lots of other tender words for my best work. You have to have faith in your own vision despite the derision from others. |
Never said I was hurt by the comment, just that it pissed me off that it was so "vague" and really didn't say anything at all. Just the same as a "Nice" comment. That's great you take the comment, but what the hell does it mean?
There is ALWAYS going to be someone that tells us we suck, that isn't the issue here. Tell me why. |
I wasn't referring to you specifically, but, your initial response seemed to indicate that you did indeed take the "Dull" comment quite personally.
As with so many things, comments are not always laid out so we can understand them at first glance. It would be nice if all comments were detailed, in-depth critiques, but it's not always the case. Sometimes to gain an understanding of a comment, the photographer has to lay it out for themselves.
Look at it as an opportunity to evaluate your work through a different lens. |
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10/12/2006 12:25:35 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Look at it as an opportunity to evaluate your work through a different lens. |
Abso-Moe-lutely. Pass me a beer. I like that lens!
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10/12/2006 12:30:48 PM · #88 |
I appreciate comments a viewers feels the need to write. The majority of comments I receive are either simple positive or simple negative.
My vanity is always stroked when a writer says nothing more than a positive one word comment such as "nice" (especially true if someone like goodman is the author) - it is a sign that the viewer recognizes something in a foto that touches them in some way.
A feeling of depression is my natural response from a negative one word comment, however they are certianly useful to gauge what a specific viewer is feeling about an image.
To some extent, both types of one word comments are fairly useless, except to make one happy or sad - as are extended versions, a short sentence of simple praise (w/words like - nice, great, beautiful etc.) and/or simple rejection (w/words like - no quality, flat, dull etc.) A look at your vote for a entry expresses much of the same, but without putting a face on it. It is always interesting to see in writing how individuals are responding at what ever time they write - during a vote or after.
I would not describe these kinds of comments which swing one way or the other as especially useful.
"Useful suggestions" and I am not sure what that means to everyone - however to me, among other items like technical - edit observations; & options of subject/aesthetic/style/social comment, it may include a dialogue of enthusiastic & encouraging middle ground between like & dislike. |
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10/12/2006 12:32:05 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by boomtap:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by stdavidson:
There is something good about every photograph. |
I disagree, some are just thoroughly terrible. |
I agree with the disagree. |
I disagree with the agreement to disagree. lol!
Though some pictures are thoroughly terrible that does not mean there is nothing good about them.
It is easier to criticize than to praise.
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10/12/2006 12:32:25 PM · #90 |
I would love to get a one word negative comment. Right now my "Ducky" entry is scoring a 5.61. I have gotten two comments thus far and here are the words used (broken up so as to not identify the commenters):
Great, Nice, Effective, Nothing I can think of to improve this, Elegant, 9!
Those are the words used to describe my composition, color and lighting. So basically I nailed the technicals yet can only muster a 5.61 in a silly ducky challenge. I could argue that getting those postive comments is more negative than your negative "dull" comment. Here I am nailing the technicals and my shot isn't DNMC yet it's scoring a measly 5.61. I wish someone would say something like "lame" so I'd know exactly what is wrong with it.
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10/12/2006 12:33:27 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by sea2c:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Look at it as an opportunity to evaluate your work through a different lens. |
Abso-Moe-lutely. Pass me a beer. I like that lens! |
Funny you should mention beer as a lens. I just read this article in Rangefinder about a guy that uses liquids sandwiched between 2 plates of glass as a filter.
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10/12/2006 12:37:39 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by goodman:
wasnt me, but i'm not clued up about the technical side of things,
so i often leave a one word comment. 99% of the time its positive. |
The last comment you gave me wasn't even one word. I only got a single exclaimation mark "!" ...and a Favorite
Best comments I've recieved in weeks, btw. |
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10/12/2006 12:37:48 PM · #93 |
Personally, I'd be happy to get it
For one, someone looked at it
two, it struck them enough to type something
three, It was advice to make your photo more interesting
Which I think is a useful comment
and based off of your reaction, I can see why they did it anonymously |
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10/12/2006 01:22:39 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by omikeo:
Personally, I'd be happy to get it
For one, someone looked at it
two, it struck them enough to type something
three, It was advice to make your photo more interesting
Which I think is a useful comment
and based off of your reaction, I can see why they did it anonymously |
lol, you make it sound as though I've done this before. Why isn't there and "Ctrl+Z" hotkey for life?
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10/12/2006 01:23:43 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by sea2c:
lol, you make it sound as though I've done this before. Why isn't there and "Ctrl+Z" hotkey for life? |
Because the configuration changes never stop? |
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10/12/2006 03:35:46 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Originally posted by boomtap:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by stdavidson:
There is something good about every photograph. |
I disagree, some are just thoroughly terrible. |
I agree with the disagree. |
I disagree with the agreement to disagree. lol!
Though some pictures are thoroughly terrible that does not mean there is nothing good about them.
It is easier to criticize than to praise. |
In an effort to keep this thread going (since it obviously hasn't run its course), I am going to respectfully disagree with your disagreement with the agreement to disagree. I think it is MUCH easier to praise, rather than criticize - at least on this site. |
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10/12/2006 03:40:11 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
I received zero (0) comments on one of my recent challenge entries. |
Dammit! That is on my goals list for 2006 and the year is closing fast! ;-) |
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10/12/2006 03:41:47 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Melethia:
I received zero (0) comments on one of my recent challenge entries. |
Dammit! That is on my goals list for 2006 and the year is closing fast! ;-) |
Me too! I almost made it with my Abstract Macro but on the last day I got 2 ... Oh well time to try again.
ETA: I mean I got 1 and then Tim left me one. Thanks for that Tim you were the only one who thought that LOL
Message edited by author 2006-10-12 19:43:27.
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10/12/2006 03:44:41 PM · #99 |
Ha!! I won something! :-) Do I get an honorary ribbon of some kind?
I think I'll put that as one of my goals so I can mark it off. Oh, and until Kirsty stated it was dull (in so many words), the only comment I had after the fact was my own, dully noting (bad spelling intended) the complete and utter lack of comments.
Message edited by author 2006-10-14 15:59:58. |
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10/12/2006 03:50:53 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Ha!! I won something! :-) Do I get an honorary ribbon of some kind? |
I made one for just such an occasion:
CONGRATULATIONS! :P |
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