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10/12/2006 08:39:35 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by sea2c:
Maybe you should have read the whole thread including my response to what people have said instead of spouting that off. |
I did read your response before spouting off and I stand by my comments. "Probably" went overboard is a pretty weak statement considering SC had to delete part of your post because you personally attacked the person that was kind enough to take the time and tell you why they gave you a low score. If you only think it was "probably" overboard you still have some growing up to do.
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10/12/2006 08:39:36 AM · #52 |
Since the photographer has chosen the specific image for a reason, he/she has already justified the use of it in his/her mind. For the thinner skinned people, being told they are wrong can be painful. Sometimes, however, I know the comments I'm gonna get before they arrive and this site has given me a thicker skin as well as developed my skills greatly :)
Just keep leaving comments however you want ... people will adapt or leave. The negative comments are often more prodcutive than the positive ones. I look back at my first images and see many negative comments - now i see fewer.
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10/12/2006 08:45:11 AM · #53 |
sorry to offend
but the picture was dull. |
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10/12/2006 08:54:03 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
...however I'm not removing the thread, since I believe that the feedback you've gotten on this will inform you, should you take it to heart. |
Anyone reading this would have to think
this was a fine site.
And it can be,
all things considered.
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10/12/2006 08:58:23 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by bood:
sorry to offend
but the picture was dull. |
Hey, did you author this thread? => Comments you never had the guts to add.
Naaahhh...couldn't have been you. ;^) |
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10/12/2006 09:08:11 AM · #56 |
To the commentor on my photo, I apologize to you. This was not the place to bring this up and my rant was out of line.
To everyone else, I GET IT!
Phew, I knew this would illicit a response but I obviously didn't think it through enough before I posted the OP. Yes I'd like to go back and not post it but I can't.
No, I don't need to "Grow up", I just needed to take a breath and unfortunately I didn't do that first. On that, lesson learned.
Also learned that I really should have either let it go or waited until after the voting and contacted the commenter for some clarification which I normally would do.
No excuses. My bad. I made a mistake.
I know it won't happen but let's move on.
Message edited by author 2006-10-12 13:12:48.
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10/12/2006 09:24:29 AM · #57 |
| Very cool. And those that wish to continue, head on over to the link g2b posted in the message above the OPs. It's a hoot. :-) |
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10/12/2006 09:50:18 AM · #58 |
It's funny.
Some people find these simple comments helpful like this guy here marked the following helpful:
"Hot!!"
but didn't mark my comment helpful (the only one btw):
"wow, it took 47 previous images before seeing the obligatory corona with lime. text on bottle isnt so sharp and the bright whiteness is attacking my retinas"
This guy also decided that mine was the only comment that wasn't helpful:
"hate the background here. lighting too bright.
just a bad still life"
but apparently "good, 10" is helpful.
There are 2 sets of people, ones that just want confirmation that their pic is the dopest ever shot and the other that likes true critical helpful comments.
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10/12/2006 09:55:19 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by rswank:
It's funny. ... |
You just ran into the group that thinks this statement "Photographer found comment helpful" is meant to continue with "in boosting their ego". ;^) |
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10/12/2006 09:56:37 AM · #60 |
Originally posted by rswank:
It's funny.
Some people find these simple comments helpful like this guy here marked the following helpful:
"Hot!!"
but didn't mark my comment helpful (the only one btw):
"wow, it took 47 previous images before seeing the obligatory corona with lime. text on bottle isnt so sharp and the bright whiteness is attacking my retinas"
This guy also decided that mine was the only comment that wasn't helpful:
"hate the background here. lighting too bright.
just a bad still life"
but apparently "good, 10" is helpful.
There are 2 sets of people, ones that just want confirmation that their pic is the dopest ever shot and the other that likes true critical helpful comments. |
ummm, I think the lesson that should be learned from this thread is not "let's publically bash comments and see what happens" but rather it is not a good idea to do as such.
There are 1001 reasons why a person may or may not have marked your comment helpful. I know on my shots, I thought I did, but if I moved away from teh page before it fully loaded, it would not have "registered." What does it really matter, anyway? |
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10/12/2006 10:01:03 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by rswank:
It's funny.
Some people find these simple comments helpful like this guy here marked the following helpful:
"Hot!!"
but didn't mark my comment helpful (the only one btw):
"wow, it took 47 previous images before seeing the obligatory corona with lime. text on bottle isnt so sharp and the bright whiteness is attacking my retinas"
This guy also decided that mine was the only comment that wasn't helpful:
"hate the background here. lighting too bright.
just a bad still life"
but apparently "good, 10" is helpful.
There are 2 sets of people, ones that just want confirmation that their pic is the dopest ever shot and the other that likes true critical helpful comments. |
ummm, I think the lesson that should be learned from this thread is not "let's publically bash comments and see what happens" but rather it is not a good idea to do as such.
There are 1001 reasons why a person may or may not have marked your comment helpful. I know on my shots, I thought I did, but if I moved away from teh page before it fully loaded, it would not have "registered." What does it really matter, anyway? |
Thanks for your thoughts on what lesson I'm supposed to take away.
The comments I quoted were either mine or ones that fit the OP's rant but deemed helpful. Very relevant to the topic as it illustrates that there are people that find the one word comments helpful as opposed to the OP.
"What does it really matter anyway?"
Not a whole helluva lot I guess, like 99.9% of the crap posted here.
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10/12/2006 10:05:17 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by sea2c:
I know it won't happen but let's move on. |
Yup, less this thread become DULL.
Oh wait, that happened at about the middle of page 1... sorry, couldn't resist ;-)
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10/12/2006 10:07:10 AM · #63 |
| I understand where sea2c is coming from. I had a comment that was "4". Nothing else. I understand that the photo may not be appealing but you can at least add some suggestions on how to improve it. If you don't know how to improve then let the person know it needs improvement but you are not sure how. The reason a lot of us are on this site is to learn and you can't learn if someone doesn't tell you why something is dull or just a "4". I always try to say what I like about the picture in addition to what needs improvement. I am still learning so I don't always know how to suggest they improve it. So when I get those one word comments I try to ignore them. I like my photos and in the end that is all that really matters. I am still having fun and I am very addicted to the site. Good luck to everyone in the future challenges. |
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10/12/2006 10:09:01 AM · #64 |
Hey, that's about where I posted. ;-)
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Yup, less this thread become DULL.
Oh wait, that happened at about the middle of page 1... sorry, couldn't resist ;-) |
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10/12/2006 10:09:08 AM · #65 |
A simple solution to comment wars
There is something good about every photograph. If you cannot see it then refrain from commenting.
If you point out what is good about a photograph before you trash it you will find your criticism is acceptable. Works for me every time.
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10/12/2006 10:13:05 AM · #66 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
A simple solution to comment wars
There is something good about every photograph. If you cannot see it then refrain from commenting.
If you point out what is good about a photograph before you trash it you will find your criticism is acceptable. Works for me every time. |
Great advice that I should do better at adhering to.
Incidentally this is exactly what is taught by professional development trainers/coaches to managers.
Start with a positive to make them receptive to the criticism.
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10/12/2006 10:15:24 AM · #67 |
I suggest we post disclaimers with all comments. How about ....
The aforementioned comment is the opinion of the author and only his opinion. Any reproduction of said comment is strictly prohibited without the written permission of Major League Baseball; some assembly required, batteries not included.
Edit for italics
Message edited by author 2006-10-12 14:16:07. |
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10/12/2006 10:24:07 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
A simple solution to comment wars
There is something good about every photograph. If you cannot see it then refrain from commenting.
If you point out what is good about a photograph before you trash it you will find your criticism is acceptable. Works for me every time. |
Here here! I learned this coaching girls volleyball for 10 years and I've applied it to almost every facet of my life.
But and a very BIG BUT.... I believe and I'm ready to answer for my comments and if they're hurtful I feel I should have to explain them. While I like to promote commenting and believe this is a very important aspect of the site, I'll never agree that commenters should have a free license to insult or offend just because we have an insatiable desire for comments.
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10/12/2006 10:27:47 AM · #69 |
I think the most insulting or the one comment I found most abrasive for one of my shots was a question of "Did you shoot this with a cell phone". OUCH.
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10/12/2006 10:27:53 AM · #70 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
There is something good about every photograph. |
I disagree, some are just thoroughly terrible. |
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10/12/2006 10:28:21 AM · #71 |
Originally posted by neophyte:
... I'll never agree that commenters should have a free license to insult or offend just because we have an insatiable desire for comments. |
There's also the 'Report Post' button that can be used by the photographer if something is really out-of-line. |
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10/12/2006 10:31:03 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
A simple solution to comment wars
There is something good about every photograph. If you cannot see it then refrain from commenting.
If you point out what is good about a photograph before you trash it you will find your criticism is acceptable. Works for me every time. |
Also, point out reasonable solutions for improvement.
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10/12/2006 10:40:56 AM · #73 |
Originally posted by neophyte:
I'll never agree that commenters should have a free license to insult or offend just because we have an insatiable desire for comments. |
Some people have such a heavy emotional attachment to their images that ANY remark that suggests that the photo is not worthy of the highest praise is offensive and insulting.
The people who take a comment as timid as "Dull." so personally, should never take their work for professional review. I have and I was told to my face, "You should put down your camera and go back to work at McDonalds.", "This is crap. Who's next?", "Come back when you figure out how your camera works." and lots of other tender words for my best work. You have to have faith in your own vision despite the derision from others.
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10/12/2006 10:46:17 AM · #74 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by stdavidson:
There is something good about every photograph. |
I disagree, some are just thoroughly terrible. |
I agree with the disagree. |
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10/12/2006 11:16:43 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Some people have such a heavy emotional attachment to their images that ANY remark that suggests that the photo is not worthy of the highest praise is offensive and insulting.
The people who take a comment as timid as "Dull." so personally, should never take their work for professional review. I have and I was told to my face, "You should put down your camera and go back to work at McDonalds.", "This is crap. Who's next?", "Come back when you figure out how your camera works." and lots of other tender words for my best work. You have to have faith in your own vision despite the derision from others. |
Never said I was hurt by the comment, just that it pissed me off that it was so "vague" and really didn't say anything at all. Just the same as a "Nice" comment. That's great you take the comment, but what the hell does it mean?
There is ALWAYS going to be someone that tells us we suck, that isn't the issue here. Tell me why.
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