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09/17/2006 08:15:02 PM · #1
I have a question. Since the images are "Royalty Free" photo's, what prevents others from selling them as their own ?

Thanks in advance.....
09/17/2006 08:19:05 PM · #2
This is usually prohibited by the stock agency's license terms. Go to any stock site as a prospective buyer and read the license terms -- there are all kinds of restrictions, including a prohibition against re-sale.

Message edited by author 2006-09-18 00:19:25.
09/17/2006 09:13:30 PM · #3
Hey thanks very much.... Just printed off a few of them. There certainly is a very gray line (so it seems) between this "Royalty Free" and "Fair Use" policy. I've definitely seen images from one photographer that has been "slightly modified" and was being sold by another 'supposed' artist. Different continents, same picture..... I suppose it is difficult to regulate over seas, and especially so, when a lot of countries do not adhere to, or have strict enough policies regarding copyright laws, infringement etc...

Now Macro vs Micro...there's something I don't quite understand...!

Thanks for helping out a newbie !

/FC
09/17/2006 09:18:17 PM · #4
Originally posted by floppychicken:


Now Macro vs Micro...there's something I don't quite understand...!


A quick look through our stock photography section in the forums will show that we've had lots of discussions on that topic.
09/17/2006 09:41:50 PM · #5
Originally posted by floppychicken:

Hey thanks very much.... Just printed off a few of them. There certainly is a very gray line (so it seems) between this "Royalty Free" and "Fair Use" policy. I've definitely seen images from one photographer that has been "slightly modified" and was being sold by another 'supposed' artist. Different continents, same picture..... I suppose it is difficult to regulate over seas, and especially so, when a lot of countries do not adhere to, or have strict enough policies regarding copyright laws, infringement etc...

Now Macro vs Micro...there's something I don't quite understand...!

Thanks for helping out a newbie !

/FC


yes if you search on the forums here you will find a lot of info. the lines between what is acceptable and not, are pretty well drawn out when you buy the image (if you actually read what you are allowed to do with it) was there two people selling similar images on a microstock site?

Message edited by author 2006-09-18 01:42:05.
09/17/2006 09:46:00 PM · #6
A quick look through our stock photography section in the forums will show that we've had lots of discussions on that topic.

Oh yeah, I know.... Ton's of them. I've read just about all of em'...
I'm really struggling with the difference between the two, and how it affects photographers on both sides of the fence. There are great argument's (good, bad..) from both It's a topic that facinates me.... Kinda like that "Day 14 - I'm an Arteeste" Photo of yours...! :)

/FC

Message edited by author 2006-09-18 01:53:51.
09/17/2006 09:52:27 PM · #7
yes if you search on the forums here you will find a lot of info. the lines between what is acceptable and not, are pretty well drawn out when you buy the image (if you actually read what you are allowed to do with it) was there two people selling similar images on a microstock site? [/quote]

Actually the image of one in particular was on a "Macro" site, while the same image was being sold at a private site (flat,..or framed kinda thing...)

And yes, I did tell both sites about each other. Never heard anything back...so I imagine it was resolved.

/FC
09/17/2006 09:54:03 PM · #8
Once an image is taken then that image is copyrighted to the photographer....different regulations on different sites vary the resulting outcomes on copyright.

Many people take similiar photos...that can't be changed realistically. For example...the sky...once a person takes a photo of a sky....does that mean it is then copyrighted....!
09/17/2006 10:04:25 PM · #9
Also...taking someone elses image and reselling it is cheating...just like multiple accounts!
09/17/2006 10:09:29 PM · #10
The only way you can resell the images is if you buy it outright. Some microsites will allow for this option. You can set up your own outright price. Some will allow you for a higher price to sell as gifts, t-shirts, etc.

Each site is different so read all the literature before you start submitting.
09/17/2006 10:23:55 PM · #11
Originally posted by faidoi:


Each site is different so read all the literature before you start submitting.


Yes, definitely read the TOS of any site before posting photos and Understand it.

Message edited by author 2006-09-18 02:24:53.
09/17/2006 10:28:05 PM · #12
Originally posted by faidoi:

The only way you can resell the images is if you buy it outright. Some microsites will allow for this option. You can set up your own outright price. Some will allow you for a higher price to sell as gifts, t-shirts, etc.

Each site is different so read all the literature before you start submitting.


Hmmm, that is interesting... I always wondered how that was done. I've dealt with a LOT of publishing companies in my day and have bought and sold literally thousands upon thousands of prints, posters, , Limited Posters, LE's and similar... I used to own an Art Gallery and Picture Frame shop..(sure miss it too..) I suppose the publishing companies are the ones that set the price with the author. I don't imagine they would buy from a Micro or Macro site as they probably have their own agents for that.....

Thanks for all the helpful info all.... !

Now, I need to sit down and figure out how to use my new freaking digital camera !!
(I think I'll go find some newbie forums and get some help..)

/FC
09/17/2006 10:30:35 PM · #13
Originally posted by floppychicken:



Now, I need to sit down and figure out how to use my new freaking digital camera !!
(I think I'll go find some newbie forums and get some help..)

/FC


What kind of camera? I'm sure someone around here can help.
09/17/2006 10:32:05 PM · #14
Originally posted by floppychicken:



Now, I need to sit down and figure out how to use my new freaking digital camera !!
(I think I'll go find some newbie forums and get some help..)

/FC


I don't think you need the newbie forums...you seem well informed on how to get around. Congratulations on fast work.
09/17/2006 10:33:00 PM · #15
Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by floppychicken:



Now, I need to sit down and figure out how to use my new freaking digital camera !!
(I think I'll go find some newbie forums and get some help..)

/FC


I don't think you need the newbie forums...you seem well informed on how to get around. Congratulations on fast work.

Yes I agree it took me months to figure out the forum stuff...
09/17/2006 10:44:47 PM · #16
Uh-oh
09/17/2006 11:19:48 PM · #17
Originally posted by floppychicken:

I've dealt with a LOT of publishing companies in my day and have bought and sold literally thousands upon thousands of prints, posters, , Limited Posters, LE's and similar... I used to own an Art Gallery and Picture Frame shop..(sure miss it too..) I suppose the publishing companies are the ones that set the price with the author. I don't imagine they would buy from a Micro or Macro site as they probably have their own agents for that.....

Now, I need to sit down and figure out how to use my new freaking digital camera !!
(I think I'll go find some newbie forums and get some help..)

/FC


What the heck is a floppy chicken?
You first said you were a newbie, but qouting you from your other post it sounds like you have a lot of experience. Kinda confusing - are you new and learning, or experienced with knowledge you could share with us?


Message edited by author 2006-09-18 03:50:57.
09/17/2006 11:27:36 PM · #18
I think Floppy Chicken tastes the same as Five Flaming Chickens!
09/17/2006 11:35:22 PM · #19
What kind of camera? I'm sure someone around here can help. [/quote]

Camera is the Canon REBEL XTi... Bought it on the 15th. Seems like a nice camera.

09/17/2006 11:36:58 PM · #20
Originally posted by floppychicken:

What kind of camera? I'm sure someone around here can help.

Camera is the Canon REBEL XTi... Bought it on the 15th. Seems like a nice camera.


What type of camera were you using before? And why did you change?

Message edited by author 2006-09-18 03:37:31.
09/17/2006 11:37:19 PM · #21
Originally posted by floppychicken:


Camera is the Canon REBEL XTi... Bought it on the 15th. Seems like a nice camera.


Nice camera, good choice.

Edit: Thanks for the fave add. I'm not sure if I'm deserving, but thanks :-)

Message edited by author 2006-09-18 03:39:50.
09/17/2006 11:52:05 PM · #22

What the heck is a floppy chicken?
You first said you were a newbie, but qouting you from your other post it sounds like you have a lot of experience. Kinda confusing - are you new and learning, or experienced with knowledge you could share with us?
Your name wouldnt be Rose or Glen or something like that would it? [/quote]


Muhahahahaha, a Floppychicken is me ! No multiple personalities (yet..) so not a Rose or Glen :) Sorry....

As far as experience goes. I have absolutely 0 skills as an Artist or as a photographer. I started a gallery because I LOVED (and still do..) looking at images. I can barely draw a stickman, but having the Gallery was the only artistic outlet for me. I enjoyed Framing and "finishing" peoples works of ART, Photos (lots of those) and any other image they liked, whether it be a Pamela Anderson 10.00 poster, or a $5000.00 Robert Bateman LE.

As far as photography goes,...I am as 'Green' as they come so I can't offer much in the way of advice...hahah. However, I have a number of years in the Picture Framing, Plaquemounting and related areas. So I might be able to help someone with that.... I can also help some people with Computer related help. I have been building custom systems for some time now...

Anyway,..my intent is to become a Decent photographer and to enjoy my own Framed images. Since I still own all of my equipment, I can basically Frame anything I choose with only the cost of materials. As many of you know, Framing is CRAZY expensive !!
Hope that clears things up.....

/FC
09/17/2006 11:57:05 PM · #23
Originally posted by floppychicken:



I've dealt with a LOT of publishing companies in my day and have bought and literally thousands upon thousands of prints, posters, , Limited Posters, LE's and similar.


Originally posted by floppychicken:



Muhahahahaha, a Floppychicken is me ! No multiple personalities (yet..) so not a Rose or Glen :) Sorry....

As far as experience goes. I have absolutely 0 skills as an Artist or as a photographer. I started a gallery because I LOVED (and still do..) looking at images. I can barely draw a stickman, but having the Gallery was the only artistic outlet for me. I enjoyed Framing and "finishing" peoples works of ART, Photos (lots of those) and any other image they liked, whether it be a Pamela Anderson 10.00 poster, or a $5000.00 Robert Bateman LE.

As far as photography goes,...I am as 'Green' as they come so I can't offer much in the way of advice...hahah. However, I have a number of years in the Picture Framing, Plaquemounting and related areas. So I might be able to help someone with that.... I can also help some people with Computer related help. I have been building custom systems for some time now...

Anyway,..my intent is to become a Decent photographer and to enjoy my own Framed images. Since I still own all of my equipment, I can basically Frame anything I choose with only the cost of materials. As many of you know, Framing is CRAZY expensive !!
Hope that clears things up.....

/FC


So if you have sold thousands of other peoples images...why didn't you already know the copyright laws on different sites? I thought that would be the first thing you would know...especially after years of doing it.
09/17/2006 11:57:38 PM · #24
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by floppychicken:


Camera is the Canon REBEL XTi... Bought it on the 15th. Seems like a nice camera.


Nice camera, good choice.

Edit: Thanks for the fave add. I'm not sure if I'm deserving, but thanks :-)


NP, and of course you are deserving... Some really daring photo's, images are different and get a response / reaction. That's what ART is as far as I am concerned. Hell, I'd put that foot of yours on my wall !

/FC
09/18/2006 12:15:56 AM · #25
So if you have sold thousands of other peoples images...why didn't you already know the copyright laws on different sites? I thought that would be the first thing you would know...especially after years of doing it. [/quote]

Ahhhh yes, perhaps I didn't explain myself well enough. Judi, publishers of fine Art Books and Prints might OWN the copyright, or they may merely license the rights to the images in the books to establishments like the one I had... I honestly had no clue (still don't..)!

The books were monstrous with "thousands" of images. I had about 8 to 10 print catalogues that people could come in and browse through. Once they found what they wanted (if they didn't find it in my display bins or framed pieces..) they ordered it, and I took their money. Once the print came in (usually monthly orders) I'd call them and they would pick them up.... Some would Plaque them, but most would Frame them. If they did neither, they would be back within a month !! (It was kinda funny...:)

Here's the kicker, of those images of which I ordered and sold to my clients, many of them were not only in different publishers catalogues (sitting on my viewing tables..), but were licensed in such a way that I could "Re-Sell" them to anyone who walked in the door. Make no mistake, these Prints and Posters were from VERY famous photographers and Artists, and of course, some not so well know ones either.....

FYI, some of the publishers were "Bruce McGraw" (I believe they own a museum in Chicago?) Graphique de France, Portal, Aquarius Images, Impact Images (very low end) and "MillPond Press" (Limited Editions), etc, etc... Big, Big names.... Hope that answers your question.

/FC
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