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 09/16/2003 12:16:30 PM · #1
I have seen on this and another digital photography site that ALLOT of the daily winners shoot with a Canon EOS 10D or some other EOS model.
The 10D is particularly popular.

My question is what EOS is the best to buy when you consider quality - options and value for money. I have read reviews about many of them but need to know from those who owns it.

Thanks
Henk
 09/16/2003 12:49:42 PM · #2
For the price, the 10d is by far the best digital SLR on the market. I've had mine for some time now, and it goes every where with me. The camera is very well designed. The controls become second nature in a matter of days. The options are seemingly endless, everything is customizable. The camera itself is very durable, and switching lenses is quick and easy. My only complaints are the amount of modes the camera has, and the built in flash. All the modes are useful for beginners, or for spur of the moment shots, but otherwise, they don't serve much of a purpose. The built in flash is good for close ups, but not much more. I'd suggest getting a speedlite EX if you decide to get one. Even so, I wouldn't trade my 10d for anything.. Except maybe a 1D, but those are just a little more expensive, and when I say a little, I'm lying.
 09/16/2003 12:58:10 PM · #3
I think the reason you see a lot of winners shoot with a Cannon EOS 10D is because of two reasons: It is #4 on the list cameras sorted by number of owners, thus more submissions by this camera; generally more serious photographers own some sort of interchangeable lens SLR, of which this is the most popular such camera on DPC.

Note: That doesn't mean the great photographers all use such cameras, nor does it mean everyone who uses such a camera is a great photographer. Generally, to shell out money for such a camera, you really know photography and you invest in such a camera because this is where your talents and interests lie and you are looking for a tool to help you better express yourself, or you're like me -- a hack with a large toy budget :)

There aren't really that many EOS digital models -- just 6, and some of those are obsolete. Briefly:

The D30, 3 megapixel camera originally sold for around $3000 and was superseded by the D60.

The D60, 6 megapixel camera originally sold for around $2500 and was superseded by the 10D.

The 10D, 6 megapixel camera listed at $1500 is regarded as the "best" prosumer camera at this time -- but things change quickly in the digital camera world.

The 300D, 6 megapixel camera is kind of a 10D light -- the quality is there but they took out some of the features and use a plastic body instead of the metal one. For $1000, you can not only get the body, but a new digital camera only wide angle lens. The trade-off is less features and less durability than the 10D

The 1D, 4 megapixel camera is a pro level camera with all kinds of pro features beyond the 10D and a bigger sensor, using CCD, for very clean, low noise photos, but weighing in at $7000 -- you have to be serious to buy this one.

The 1Ds, 11 megapixel camera is a pro level camera that is a photog's dream, but weighs in at $7500 on a good day.

If you're upgrading from a G3 to an EOS level camera, I would recommend deciding between the 10D and the 300D. There are plenty of reviews and comparisons out there to read, so I won't repeat the data here. Good luck and enjoy.

A personal note: I have both an Olympus E-10 (3.7 megapixel) and a 10D and the difference is stunning. The clarity of the image and low noise of the 10D over the E-10 is amazing. This next challenge is my first one with the 10D and I'm curious as to how it will do. The photo I submitted was nothing I couldn't do my E-10, but using the 10D just made it easier.

Message edited by author 2003-09-16 17:00:44.
 09/16/2003 01:06:24 PM · #4
Henk,
I'd suggest you spend some time researching SLR's in general. Many people find that they want high quality pictures but they don't want to have to spend $1400 USD for a camera body and then another $700-2000 USD for a lens. As other members have noted, getting a digital SLR and outfitting it with lower quality optics defeats the purpose of many DPC photogs (people who are intermediate and advanced amatuers wanting to have fun shooting as opposed to professionals who want to make a paycheck). I recommend the EOS 10D if you decide you want to get a digital SLR. It is one of the finest pieces of equipment that I've ever had the pleasure to own. Someday I hope to have its bigger brother the 1Ds (11.1 megapixel). But before that investment ($8,000 USD) I'll be buying some Canon EF lenses (these are the lenses that go with the Canon EOS line of cameras). As I said, a top quality lens can cost $700, $1200 or $1700 USD so it'll take me a little time to get these.

If your goal is just to take very high quality images with a cool gadget and not need to spend more money on lenses then I suggest you consider some of the one piece cameras like the Sony F828 (expected to sell at $999 USD). Cameras like that or some by Olympus or Nikon give you some of the benefits of an SLR like high megapixel output, fast focus time and RAW image format so that you have more control of how the image is tweaked in color, contrast, etc.

You surely can find numerous Nikon proponents who will praise their 100Dx or Dh or whatever just as much as I or Johnny or Gordon or blah, blah, blah. The first decision you need to make is whether you want to invest in a replacable optics system that an SLR provides you or if you just want to get some cool pictures and have fun doing it. As for me (and it sounds like numerous others) the SLR is part of our fun but don't let that fool you into thinking that everyone would just be happier if they had an SLR. Check out the forums on Digital Photography Review.
 09/16/2003 04:20:57 PM · #5
Thank you guys for such a thorough comeback and report.

I have realized that the body of the camera is where it starts but that the lenses are an essential part of taking succesful photos. I currently have a Canon G3 and I am in love with photography. I have a very artistic eye and want to do more than snap shots of trips or family. I want to experiment with light in darker rooms - taking model photography and other artistic scenarios. I am a profesional artist as graphic artist and painter and want to combine these talents with my photography love.

To get back to cameras... the photos and possibilities that I see in the EOS 10D tells me its a very good option, if not the best.

Thanks again
Henk
 09/16/2003 04:28:21 PM · #6
Mr. Payne,

I have recently joined this fantastic website and entered the next challenge as well...my first one..:)

I will be looking for your photo to see what you did with the 10D

All the best
Henk
 09/16/2003 10:48:29 PM · #7
Originally posted by agentm:
I will be looking for your photo to see what you did with the 10D


So far, not that special. Only 16 votes, but sitting at a 5.8. I'm thinking this is no winner...

Gee, I feel like the professionals -- calling an election with only a handful of votes in.
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