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08/08/2006 11:16:50 AM · #101 |
Originally posted by mk:
I think the parts not in quotes are his own words. ;) |
Thanks mk - as usual. ;^) |
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08/08/2006 11:20:15 AM · #102 |
the great job comment doesnt bother me, sometimes thats the only comment i'll get on an entry and now its probably been removed...so much for being appreciated :(
Originally posted by msgoodygal:
I just wanted to also add, for those of you that have posted here that I have not responded to individually, I apologize. Many of these posts came in while I sleep. Not trying to ignore anyone's comments here, as they all have value. |
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08/08/2006 11:21:23 AM · #103 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
the great job comment doesnt bother me, sometimes thats the only comment i'll get on an entry and now its probably been removed...so much for being appreciated :(
Originally posted by msgoodygal:
I just wanted to also add, for those of you that have posted here that I have not responded to individually, I apologize. Many of these posts came in while I sleep. Not trying to ignore anyone's comments here, as they all have value. |
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Well I appreciate you, and you're still the Queen in my book. ;)
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08/08/2006 11:23:24 AM · #104 |
hey somebody recognized me!!!!!! woohooo!!! I'm famous!!! LOL, ok back to our regular program.
Originally posted by naldslc:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
the great job comment doesnt bother me, sometimes thats the only comment i'll get on an entry and now its probably been removed...so much for being appreciated :(
Originally posted by msgoodygal:
I just wanted to also add, for those of you that have posted here that I have not responded to individually, I apologize. Many of these posts came in while I sleep. Not trying to ignore anyone's comments here, as they all have value. |
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Well I appreciate you, and you're still the Queen in my book. ;) |
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08/08/2006 11:26:50 AM · #105 |
Originally posted by HBunch:
Originally posted by msgoodygal:
Hi... Thank you for trying to give a viable solution to the problem at hand. I am certainly open for suggestion, but this is a multi-level issue.
First, there seems to be a problem with what I wrote, as being mis-interpreted by many as an attempt to be smug or something negative, rather than what their real intention was for (please see the thread where I have put my intent clearly in writing, the thread for 'stopped motion' scores. If all posts were removed because their intent was unknown or misunderstood, I'd think that the folks here at DPC would have to hire a crew of about 10 people just to keep up with the deletions of such comments. To single MY comments out, although misunderstood or intent unknown, is simply wrong when there are LOTS of comments out there that fall under this umbrella.
Secondly, there seems to be an issue with the actual function of 'cut and paste' being used. If it helps someone who genuinely wants to leave a comment in the true spirit of the challenge, what is the problem? If it facilitates trying to get through hundreds of entries in a given challenge, because the commenter wants to leave even a small comment, what is the problem? Cut and paste is a tool that many of us use to get through monotonous tasks. And yes, commenting on each and every entry is a monotonous task at times. Would it have been any different had I said that I did not use copy and paste, that I typed in each letter of that comment? No. So the issue is NOT the use of copy and paste, really, do you think?
And thirdly, the issue is in regard to the fact that although they 'encourage' comments, at what point then do they go from being something that is encouraged, to something that is 'altering scores'? I mean, if all of us decided to one day leave a comment out of the goodness of our heart for 100% of the entries, are we then trying to alter scores? If so, at what point does this accusation then take place? At 50% of comments left for entries? At 75% of comments left for entries?
Or is it simply that they do not really encourage comments? Or is it that they only encourage certain comments? Or is it that they only encourage comments for certain members? I mean, come on now, where is the line drawn?
And not only are these issues at hand, but there are also the more subtle issues at play, such as accusing someone - someone who pays - of doing something and penalizing them for doing something that the admins themselves admit is not done with maliciousness.
If they know that it was not malicious, and truly encourage votes, why am I, a paying member, going through this?
They sat and responded to members of this thread who had ASSumed that I had been given warning after warning after warning. They never once stood up and said, wait, no, we just contacted her YESTERDAY for the first time. Admins responded numerous times in between these erroneous assumptions and posts. They allowed these people to continue to paint me in a bad light, PROBABLY because it made THEM look better for what they are doing. But allowing that to happen without making the correction to what people were saying is unfair and slanderous to a paying member.
I would suggest that anyone who does not understand the intent of my 'Great Job' post, to read my post in the other thread. |
First off, there are actually 15 or so of us that are 'hired' to remove such comments. If you can find other users who are doing the same thing, by all means, contact the admin so that we can deal with this issue immediately.
You were contacted numerous times being asked to stop, to which you responded numerous times that you would not. Is this false?
Weather or not you meant to do it is really irrelivant, since the end result is the same.
**the following is in no way representational of the SC, but rather my own personal statement**
I'm curious, with the ammount of people stating that the comments are worthless and mean nothing to them, and even people saying that they would almost prefer no comment at all to one where the commentor put absolutely no effort into it what so ever. Members who have received these comments asking you to stop because they were not appreciated. The numerous complaints the SC received about your comments, why are you even arguing your right to post them?
Is it really that hard to write 'I like the color', 'Good focus', 'too dark', or 'nice lighting'?? I mean, you'd have to spend an extra 2 seconds on each image, but I'm sure it would mean a lot more to the photographers. If you are so concerned with making the photographers happy, then why not take this approach instead of fighting for something that very few people appreciate anyway? |
No, as I stated a little higher up in this thread, it is NOT true that I've been contacted numerous times to 'stop' this.
I was contacted ONCE last night, at which point I responded that I stand by my right to post my comments left in good intention, and I said (and note the quotes), that I "PROBABLY" would not change anything about how I commented or voted. Her email to me was three very brief sentences, one of which was about contacting her if I had any questions, so basically two sentences that said anything about this, no explanation given at that time.
I received ONE response from this admin after the fact, basically stating that my 'refusal' would be forwarded on to the powers that be. And accused me of 'altering stats'. Nowhere did I outright refuse anything.
My response to her (and again I am quoting from my email to her) was "I'm fine with this. Keep in mind that you have NO rules posted
whatsoever in regard to leaving cut and paste comments, my comments are
ALWAYS positive, non-harrassive and left with good intention."
Would you like me to forward those emails to you?
How can you now accuse me of refusal of anything, when I have not voted since these emails from her, which began last night?
Oh, and in regard to YOUR statement, you said that 'numerous' people complained. The original email from KB stated that she received a 'few' complaints, not numerous complaints. To date, I've received ONE personal email from someone who complained. But KB said a few, and you say numerous. And I have MANY emails from people who have NO problem with my comment whatsoever, and if you check it out, many have been marked as 'helpful'.
So, maybe you can clarify the mindset of the people who, after I left them 'great job', marked my comment as helpful?
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08/08/2006 11:29:22 AM · #106 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
the great job comment doesnt bother me, sometimes thats the only comment i'll get on an entry and now its probably been removed...so much for being appreciated :(
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Nope, all your entries have comments. So you're recognized even without the 'great job' comment. Yay! P.S. I love your Deja Vu entry! Nice colors. |
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08/08/2006 11:29:33 AM · #107 |
Originally posted by mk:
Every challenge has a scores thread. Why not just put "good job to everyone who entered!" in each thread? It'd sure save you a lot of time. |
Great idea. |
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08/08/2006 11:31:53 AM · #108 |
Dare I suggest...
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08/08/2006 11:32:05 AM · #109 |
Originally posted by msgoodygal:
So, maybe you can clarify the mindset of the people who, after I left them 'great job', marked my comment as helpful? |
I had put a great deal of thought into the part of my PM to you (before this thread started) where I said that you can't always rely on the "helpful" mark (some people make it a habit to always mark things helpful, etc).
Message edited by author 2006-08-08 15:33:14. |
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08/08/2006 11:35:32 AM · #110 |
Originally posted by klstover:
Originally posted by msgoodygal:
So, maybe you can clarify the mindset of the people who, after I left them 'great job', marked my comment as helpful? |
I had put a great deal of thought into the part of my PM to you (before this thread started) where I said that you can't always rely on the "helpful" mark (some people make it a habit to always mark things helpful, etc). |
Yes, true, you did say that to me. Unfortunatlely, it's another situation of trying to figure out what motivates some people. |
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08/08/2006 11:35:49 AM · #111 |
Originally posted by naldslc:
Dare I suggest...
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Why? Use the ignore thread option if you're tired of seeing this thread, or better yet - don't click on the link. Ha! There's a thought! ;^) |
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08/08/2006 11:38:36 AM · #112 |
I seriously can't believe the thread is still going on.
Bottom line...if you're asked to do something by the site council, listen. Don't argue, don't bring it up publicly for discussion. Just stop what you're doing and move on. What is so difficult about this?
EDIT: if you feel you've been wrongly asked to do something or your personal rights (not that you have any rights on these forums as they are private and everyone's access and ability to post and take part in these forums is a privilege not a right), then submit a ticket to the site owners by selecting help, contact, and check the box of the correct recipient.
Message edited by author 2006-08-08 15:41:58.
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08/08/2006 11:38:55 AM · #113 |
Originally posted by msgoodygal:
Unfortunatlely, it's another situation of trying to figure out what motivates some people. |
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*nodnod* I used to check which comments of mine had been marked helpful, but I stopped pretty quickly. I think if I had to try to figure out what comments were marked helpful for what reason, my head would explode. :-) |
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08/08/2006 11:46:28 AM · #114 |
that's it, time for anoter bag...
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08/08/2006 11:46:52 AM · #115 |
Originally posted by klstover:
[quote=msgoodygal] I think if I had to try to figure out what comments were marked helpful for what reason, my head would explode. :-) |
Kinda like mine is right now... I certainly understand that feeling ;) |
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08/08/2006 11:49:29 AM · #116 |
Originally posted by msgoodygal:
Originally posted by klstover:
[quote=msgoodygal] I think if I had to try to figure out what comments were marked helpful for what reason, my head would explode. :-) |
Kinda like mine is right now... I certainly understand that feeling ;) |
How can you say that you're upset or your head it going to explode? Are you really still not clear on what is expected of you? Are you saying that you are still going to copy/paste "great job" on your comments?
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08/08/2006 11:52:23 AM · #117 |
Originally posted by deapee:
How can you say that you're upset or your head it going to explode? |
I think maybe she was just responding to me about an issue that was sort of an aside. Not really hugely relevant or anything.
edit: I should say, maybe the issue is relevant but, we were just talking about it in a way that was (at least for me) a moment that was a bit more light-hearted.
Message edited by author 2006-08-08 15:58:07. |
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08/08/2006 11:57:15 AM · #118 |
TY! You see, Deapee originally got the idea from me and then he shot it and then I re-did it :) at least thats the Deja Vu I remember :)
Originally posted by HBunch:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
the great job comment doesnt bother me, sometimes thats the only comment i'll get on an entry and now its probably been removed...so much for being appreciated :(
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Nope, all your entries have comments. So you're recognized even without the 'great job' comment. Yay! P.S. I love your Deja Vu entry! Nice colors. |
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08/08/2006 11:58:08 AM · #119 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Bottom line...if you're asked to do something by the site council, listen. Don't argue, don't bring it up publicly for discussion. Just stop what you're doing and move on. What is so difficult about this?
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It's not that anything is difficult, it's that the way that they have gone about it, and misconstrued my intent, and accused me of doing something that I didn't do, is just wrong.
And about having rights? I am a consumer on this website, not only a member or participant. As a consumer (someone who has spent my money), I should have a reasonable expectation of respect and procedural clarity, not rules that are imposed behind the scenes.
I've never said out right that I REFUSE to do anything (please scroll up to the quote from my response to HB). I don't see her denying anything that I've written here, so my referrals to these emails should probably been seen as true and accurate. If you really want to see these emails and see that there was never any outright REFUSAL, you are free to read them. Just contact me. Or HB.
Like I said. I received 3 sentences from HB late yesterday afternoon/last night. First sentence: She received a FEW complaints. Second sentence: Refrain from cutting and pasting. Third sentence: Email me with any questions.
I sent her back an email, quote: "I PROBABLY" won't change the way that I leave comments, please show me your rule... And I asked for clarification on their rules.
Anyone see an outright refusal there?
She sent me back an email, with a more derogatory tone, an accusation of altering stats, and stating that she was reporting me to the powers that be for 'refusal'.
The subsequent email is much the same as what we've covered in this topic so far.
There never was a refusal. My 'probably' was based on the lack of explanation or information that has been provided to me by the admin. |
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08/08/2006 12:00:22 PM · #120 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by msgoodygal:
Originally posted by klstover:
[quote=msgoodygal] I think if I had to try to figure out what comments were marked helpful for what reason, my head would explode. :-) |
Kinda like mine is right now... I certainly understand that feeling ;) |
How can you say that you're upset or your head it going to explode? Are you really still not clear on what is expected of you? Are you saying that you are still going to copy/paste "great job" on your comments? |
See the post below you for further clarification of a light-hearted comment.
Did I 'SAY' that I'm going to do anything at ALL in that comment about my head exploding? Or are you just looking for a reason to try to belittle me? |
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08/08/2006 12:02:18 PM · #121 |
I think its a shame the comments were removed.
I've had a couple entries with just the "good job" and one with a more detailed comment and I have no problem with either.
As I've mentioned in previous threads the comment field is simply that.. a COMMENT field. Not a critique field, so in my humble estimation, telling a person they did a good/great/lousy/awe-inspiring/freakish job is a legitimate comment - regardless of how many other photos inspired the same reaction.
I don't know mysgoodgal from a hole in the ground so I don't have anything invested in this arguement other than trying to change the perception that anything added to the COMMENT field should be expected to be anything more than a comment.
Do I understand the issue brought up with stat inflation, sure. Very valid point even as it was an unintentional side-effect.
I guess my wonder is if she had used the suggestion of instead of simply one 'canned' phrase of good job she also used "nice", "great", "fun shot", "hahahaha" in the mix too would that be an issue?
1000 comments with 5 separate comments is still 200 that are the same, is that a problem? I get one and two word comments on occasion and I notice them on other entries too, if that's all people want to or are willing to contribute are they then going to be requested to stop their method of commenting as well?
I see that some folks are continuing to be nasty about this issue but I hope that my questions and concerns are received in the light they are being asked: honest curiousity and concern that COMMENTS are being denigrated unnecessarily.
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08/08/2006 12:02:21 PM · #122 |
| what is the difference between an open challenge and an exclusive open challenge? |
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08/08/2006 12:05:01 PM · #123 |
Originally posted by guitars54:
what is the difference between an open challenge and an exclusive open challenge? |
start a new thread.
EDIT: anyway...whatever...exclusive means you choose one of the two...open means you can enter it no matter how many other challenges you may have entered.
Message edited by author 2006-08-08 16:08:06.
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08/08/2006 12:07:06 PM · #124 |
Originally posted by msgoodygal:
Or are you just looking for a reason to try to belittle me? |
Me...belittle you? You're joking right? You should go back through and read this thread from the start. There was no need to bring your stuff up publicly. It was made quite clear that you FLAT OUT REFUSED to listen to what the site council told you. From what I see, you were asked numerous times (not just once as you claim) to stop doing that. And from what I've read, you've refused every time.
I'm not trying to belittle anyone. These are facts, you were out of line and you're still out of line. Just forget about it and move on and don't copy/paste 2000 comments of "great job" -- sheesh just move on!!!
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08/08/2006 12:07:35 PM · #125 |
Originally posted by msgoodygal:
Originally posted by deapee:
Bottom line...if you're asked to do something by the site council, listen. Don't argue, don't bring it up publicly for discussion. Just stop what you're doing and move on. What is so difficult about this?
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It's not that anything is difficult, it's that the way that they have gone about it, and misconstrued my intent, and accused me of doing something that I didn't do, is just wrong.
And about having rights? I am a consumer on this website, not only a member or participant. As a consumer (someone who has spent my money), I should have a reasonable expectation of respect and procedural clarity, not rules that are imposed behind the scenes.
I've never said out right that I REFUSE to do anything (please scroll up to the quote from my response to HB). I don't see her denying anything that I've written here, so my referrals to these emails should probably been seen as true and accurate. If you really want to see these emails and see that there was never any outright REFUSAL, you are free to read them. Just contact me. Or HB.
Like I said. I received 3 sentences from HB late yesterday afternoon/last night. First sentence: She received a FEW complaints. Second sentence: Refrain from cutting and pasting. Third sentence: Email me with any questions.
I sent her back an email, quote: "I PROBABLY" won't change the way that I leave comments, please show me your rule... And I asked for clarification on their rules.
Anyone see an outright refusal there?
She sent me back an email, with a more derogatory tone, an accusation of altering stats, and stating that she was reporting me to the powers that be for 'refusal'.
The subsequent email is much the same as what we've covered in this topic so far.
There never was a refusal. My 'probably' was based on the lack of explanation or information that has been provided to me by the admin. |
still sounds like a problem to bring up to Langdon rather than hashing it out in the forums.
At this point, with all that has been said and done, what would you like to see happen? |
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