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07/24/2006 04:16:38 PM · #1 |
Cameras have been banned from one of Melbourne's most popular tourist destinations amid terrorism fears.
Management of the Southgate retail and dining centre on the Yarra River has erected "no camera" signs around the complex, the Herald Sun reports.
The move comes after security guards tried to force tourists to delete photos taken of "obscure" parts of buildings. The police were called when they refused.
"We've had a couple of incidents of tourists taking photos of obscure things and they were approached by security and asked to stop taking photos," Southgate property manager Kathy Barrance told the Herald Sun.
"It was just the facades of buildings, things that would be of no interest to put in a photo album."
WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO TAKE PICTURES OF OBSCURE PARTS OF BUILDINGS AT SOUTHBANK? WHAT NEXT?
  
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07/24/2006 04:21:57 PM · #2 |
| That's really upsetting. It's weird that they can even do that being that someone taking a picture would be on public property. I really love the "Under the Bridge" picture you posted. |
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07/24/2006 04:23:14 PM · #3 |
From what I understand, the people banning photography own the building(s) and all the land around it.. so they *can* do it.
It's just stupid *TO* do it.
Terrorist fears my *ass*
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07/24/2006 04:23:50 PM · #4 |
They would also like you to turn in your Gold Ribbon to the nearest police station :)
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07/24/2006 04:24:47 PM · #5 |
| I'm sure this is only going to start to happen more and more, and there's not much (probably) that can be done about it unfortunately. |
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07/24/2006 05:23:45 PM · #6 |
| Maybe someone should go set up an easel and paint it just to mess with them. |
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07/24/2006 05:28:11 PM · #7 |
| As this is becoming more and more of a problem, perhaps an official photography body could set up a system where they vet you and issue you an "I'm not a terrorist/pevert" pass, that authorities might accept. |
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07/24/2006 05:36:31 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by boysetsfire:
The move comes after security guards tried to force tourists to delete photos taken of "obscure" parts of buildings. The police were called when they refused.
"We've had a couple of incidents of tourists taking photos of obscure things and they were approached by security and asked to stop taking photos," Southgate property manager Kathy Barrance told the Herald Sun.
"It was just the facades of buildings, things that would be of no interest to put in a photo album."
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That's interesting. Do you know if the tourists were made to delete their photographs? I have encountered similar problems with security guards when taking photographs here in New Zealand, where we like to believe we are far enough away from terrorism paranoia. I found a local photography site here where a woman posted a photograph taken with a camera mounted on a tripod. She said it wasn't untill she got the tripod out that she attracted the attention of the security guards & then was asked to leave.
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07/24/2006 05:37:55 PM · #9 |
| I am glad that America is still free enough from that. I am afraid however that with another attack we would go into lockdown mode and loose all the freedoms that we fought for. The answer is not stopping people from using cameras, but stopping terrorism, and for thousands of thousands of years that hasn't happened. |
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07/24/2006 05:44:43 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by 3DsArcher:
Originally posted by boysetsfire:
The move comes after security guards tried to force tourists to delete photos taken of "obscure" parts of buildings. The police were called when they refused.
"We've had a couple of incidents of tourists taking photos of obscure things and they were approached by security and asked to stop taking photos," Southgate property manager Kathy Barrance told the Herald Sun.
"It was just the facades of buildings, things that would be of no interest to put in a photo album."
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That's interesting. Do you know if the tourists were made to delete their photographs? I have encountered similar problems with security guards when taking photographs here in New Zealand, where we like to believe we are far enough away from terrorism paranoia. I found a local photography site here where a woman posted a photograph taken with a camera mounted on a tripod. She said it wasn't untill she got the tripod out that she attracted the attention of the security guards & then was asked to leave. |
What self respecting terrorist uses a tripod? |
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07/24/2006 05:48:05 PM · #11 |
I found this in the The Melbourne paper this morning (Herald Sun 24/7/06)
Photos ban in tourist precinct
Danny Buttler
July 25, 2006 12:00am
TERRORISM fears have seen happy snaps banned at a site popular with tourists. Southgate management has posted "no camera" signs.
The signs are around the Yarra River retail and dining centre.
The edict follows an incident in which tourists were seen photographing "obscure" parts of buildings and were asked to delete the photos from their cameras.
They refused, and security called police to insist.
"We've had a couple of incidents of tourists taking photos of obscure things, and they were approached by security and asked to stop taking photos," Southgate property manager Kathy Barrance said.
"It was just the facades of buildings, things that would be of no interest to put in a photo album."
The new signs banning cameras state that "Southgate thanks you for not taking photos within the complex unless approved by management".
Ms Barrance said anyone found taking unauthorised photographs would be told to stop by roaming security guards.
"It's policy around Southgate for security to ask people not to photograph," she said.
Exceptions will be made for photos of such things as the Ophelia sculpture at the main entrance. "On the (Yarra) promenade, it's fine, or if it's of Ophelia," Ms Barrance said.
Asked if the restrictions were designed to deter terrorists from conducting reconnaissance, Ms Barrance said, "Yes, that type of thing."
Victoria Police told the Herald Sun it was unlikely any police officers would order the removal of images from a camera under such circumstances.
"I've checked with our privacy people and they said there's no law against taking photos," a spokeswoman said.
Southgate workers were stunned at the restrictions.
"I think it's stupid," Oras Charcoal Souvlaki Bar employee John Tsarpalas said.
"There's got to be better ways than that."
One shop owner who did not wish to be named, questioned whether there were any vital targets in the complex.
''It's a bit much. I know they are trying to protect us, but it's just a food court," she said
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P.S- It also might help when taking your pix you don't have "Boysetsfire" on your T-shirt. LOL text
Message edited by author 2006-07-24 21:48:52. |
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07/24/2006 05:52:07 PM · #12 |
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Message edited by author 2006-07-24 21:52:39. |
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07/24/2006 05:52:49 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by boomtap:
I am glad that America is still free enough from that. I am afraid however that with another attack we would go into lockdown mode and loose all the freedoms that we fought for. The answer is not stopping people from using cameras, but stopping terrorism, and for thousands of thousands of years that hasn't happened. |
Are you sure abou that? |
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07/24/2006 05:55:10 PM · #14 |
that really does suck and I could imagine other tourist spots doing that around the country/world too, since they were able to do this.
Wow I would hate for that to happen, so what happens if people stop going and they slow start to notice a decline there.
How the heck can they do this and whats with the cop aproaching tourist and telling them to delete pictures?
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07/24/2006 05:56:05 PM · #15 |
P.S- It also might help when taking your pix you don'r have "Boysetsfire" on your T-shirt. LOL
haha very good pokerface!
The only thing i agree with them on are that with these photos i do not have "any interest to put into a photo albumn". They are on my walls! |
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07/24/2006 06:19:21 PM · #16 |
Hey boysetsfire bad luck, also for the record the real spelling of parkhour should be parkour, you can see the aussie scene at pk aus
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07/24/2006 06:30:00 PM · #17 |
cheers finn i fixed it
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07/24/2006 06:43:12 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by livitup:
Originally posted by boomtap:
I am glad that America is still free enough from that. I am afraid however that with another attack we would go into lockdown mode and loose all the freedoms that we fought for. The answer is not stopping people from using cameras, but stopping terrorism, and for thousands of thousands of years that hasn't happened. |
Are you sure abou that? |
I want to be safe, but I also want freedom so how do we get that when the terrorists use photos to kill us? After much consideration I now would like to just take the terroists out and get rid of dictatorships around the world. The more I think about this the more I hope that we don't stop people from taking pictures of what ever they want. I have been on the fence about this for sure. |
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07/24/2006 06:59:51 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by boomtap:
Originally posted by livitup:
Originally posted by boomtap:
I am glad that America is still free enough from that. I am afraid however that with another attack we would go into lockdown mode and loose all the freedoms that we fought for. The answer is not stopping people from using cameras, but stopping terrorism, and for thousands of thousands of years that hasn't happened. |
Are you sure abou that? |
I want to be safe, but I also want freedom so how do we get that when the terrorists use photos to kill us? After much consideration I now would like to just take the terroists out and get rid of dictatorships around the world. The more I think about this the more I hope that we don't stop people from taking pictures of what ever they want. I have been on the fence about this for sure. |
Why would a terrorist even have to take photos? I mean there is a thing called Google and with my VERY FIRST SEARCH on a famous landmark (type "eiffel tower blueprints") I was able to pull this site up Eiffel Tower Blueprints. Why would a terrorist spend any money on a camera when the photos and blueprints are easily available online?
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07/24/2006 07:34:42 PM · #20 |
| Ya, I am coming around to that. I don't know why they would think of banning that except to increase the public preception that we are safe. You are right. |
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07/24/2006 08:02:09 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by boomtap:
I am glad that America is still free enough from that. I am afraid however that with another attack we would go into lockdown mode and loose all the freedoms that we fought for. The answer is not stopping people from using cameras, but stopping terrorism, and for thousands of thousands of years that hasn't happened. |
Umm, it happens here in the States all the time.
It's happened to me.
We're too paranoid for our own good.
The terrorists have won on that front anyway. |
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07/24/2006 08:44:32 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Why would a terrorist even have to take photos? |
Ever hear of a little event called Pearl Harbour? |
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07/28/2006 03:28:07 PM · #23 |
Southgate ban ends
Danny Butler
July 29, 2006 12:00am
SOUTHGATE'S terrorism-related ban on photographs has been cancelled after a week of public outrage
Signs prohibiting taking happy snaps have been removed from the popular tourist complex.
The signs, which featured a picture of a camera with a line through it, asked visitors not to take photos without prior permission from management.
The ban, revealed by the Herald Sun, sparked outrage among the public and politicians.
Prime Minister John Howard said it was over the top and unnecessary.
State Attorney-General Rob Hulls called the edict ludicrous.
Southgate's management company, Savills, said it would now allow tourists and other visitors to take their casual photographs.
"Savills has a nationwide photographic policy which has been adopted to assist with the general security of its managed properties," it said.
"Approval from Savills' centre management is required before photographs are taken that are considered more than of a personal or casual nature."
Savills said its policy was not aimed at stopping tourists, general public or amateur photographers from taking photographs, but to provide a safe environment for all tenants, staff and visitors.
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07/28/2006 03:56:59 PM · #24 |
Hooray for the outraged public!
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07/28/2006 05:23:23 PM · #25 |
how interesting, this thread...
i actually deleted a handful of photos i shot yesterday because i didn't have time to argue with someone who had a badge and an attitude. had i not been pressed for time, i probably would have insisted on making a day of it, working my way up the chain until i could find someone with some sense to explain "the law" to me without mumbling "9/11"...
here's one of the one's i didn't delete.
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