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08/14/2006 02:06:54 PM · #151 |
I have used both. I will never go back to PC. Mac isn't as "fickle" as PC. I love everything about it. I used to think a major benefit to PCs was the amount of software you could get to run on your system was greater with PC than Mac. I then looked at what is most important to me - my photo editing software - and it is comp. with Mac. I don't have time to play games any more. I have a toddler and a baby on the way.
BTW - have you seen Aperture ? I have only seen demos, but it looks awesome!
It;s nice to have everything in one unit too. It isn't so bulky. Everything is nice and streamlined.
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08/14/2006 02:29:39 PM · #152 |
Originally posted by mosall:
1) Mac users can not run hundreds of applications (if not thousands) that PC users can. Boot Camp is Beta, at best. Boot Camp is awesome, but I won't be convinced I can "just buy a mac to run windows" until I can run both platforms at once without Virtual PC. |
I'm running both on my Intel iMac right now by using Parallels Desktop for macs. No VPC, in fact, Microsoft has announced that they are ceasing development of VPC for the Mac - it's no longer needed.
Having said that, Shannon was not talking about Bootcamp, or even Parallels. He was talking about Crossover, which is about to take Windows out of the equation entirely.
stoopid fingers...
Message edited by author 2006-08-14 18:30:59. |
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08/14/2006 02:40:48 PM · #153 |
Originally posted by mosall:
1) Mac users can not run hundreds of applications (if not thousands) that PC users can. Boot Camp is Beta, at best. Boot Camp is awesome, but I won't be convinced I can "just buy a mac to run windows" until I can run both platforms at once without Virtual PC.
2) Macs are not cheaper. You can wave all the numbers in my face that you want. Numbers can be made to show just about anything. Bottomline: I could configure a basic PC for a few hundrend dollars with monitor and keyboard. Try to do the same with a Mac. Macs ignore a huge percentage of the market share. Most computer users want to word process, email, and surf the web. The arguement about "similar features" is not relavant. Most users do not have the needs that the majority of the readers of this forum do. Try to upgrade your memory in your Mac on the cheap. It doesnt happen. It does with PCs.
3) I stand by my statement about viruses. I do not have problems becuase I update my protection software. Its not even an issue. Mac users should be very careful with the virus stones they throw. Welcome to the world of Intel. It's only a matter of time Mac users. Apple would be better off leaving this argument in the 20th century since they use the same hardware.
4) The Mighty Mouse is terrible.
As I said in my first post, these are only the opinions of one man who uses both platforms on a daily basis. |
I use both platforms on a daily basis, and the mac is superior to the PC.
1) I still havn't found a windows software that wont run on my mac using boot camp or crossover.
2) macs are cheaper than similar PC's, high end Dell and IBM are similar to Mac. you can put a mercedes sign on a garbage can but it doesn't make it a mercedes ;)
3) isn't it better to use the CPU to run the application you are using, rather than using it to protect you against viruses and spyware ?, the mac doesn't need any virus protection, there are no viruses for the unix system :)
4) I use the mighty mouse, it's not the best mouse, but it's far from being terrilbe...
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08/14/2006 02:59:31 PM · #154 |
Originally posted by DanSig:
3) isn't it better to use the CPU to run the application you are using, rather than using it to protect you against viruses and spyware ?, the mac doesn't need any virus protection, there are no viruses for the unix system :)
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I'm boggled by this talk of viruses as if it's the thing that makes or breaks a computer as an experience. Leaving aside that the thread is called "mac vs pc" and that you could run many different OSes on a PC than Windows, even under Windows, how much of a modern CPUs time do you think is taken up by anti-virus tools?
To give you a clue, I'm currently running six foreground apps (of which I can only use one at a time, like) and my CPU is ticking around 2% utilisation. The AV tasks in the task manager are currently using 0% of that 2%. It's not an issue.
In addition to that, most viral infections are the result of user error. The user either opens a dodgy attachment or runs a cracked program that has a virus payload. What this means is that, 99 times out of 100, a Windows computer can be virus free very easily.
Clearly, the Mac has the edge in the virus front. How long do you think that that would last, going forward on an Intel platform, in a world where a Mac had the sort of user base that Windows has? I'd venture not very long.
In any event, for those of us that know how to use our computers, it's simply a non-issue. |
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08/14/2006 03:20:46 PM · #155 |
Originally posted by mosall:
Most computer users want to word process, email, and surf the web. Try to upgrade your memory in your Mac on the cheap. |
OK, fine. Here ya go: $99 bucks including monitor, mouse and keyboard. It's WAY more powerful than you need for word processing, email and surfing the web, so there shouldn't be any complaints. :-/
Intel Macs use EXACTLY the same RAM as their PC counterparts, so they don't cost one penny more to upgrade.
Originally posted by mist:
How long do you think that that would last, going forward on an Intel platform... |
Very. It's not the flaws in the processor that hackers exploit- it's the operating system. OS X is simply more secure than Windows by design. |
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08/14/2006 03:34:05 PM · #156 |
Originally posted by mist:
In any event, for those of us that know how to use our computers, it's simply a non-issue. |
I know how to use my computer, PC or Mac. The real question is: Do I want to spend my time working with my computer or on my computer.
I choose Mac because I want to do stuff with my computer.
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08/14/2006 03:49:37 PM · #157 |
I say PC over mac..Here is why though
Both systems have powerful graphics capabilities, but most add on graphics cards are chips designed on the PC platform and then drivers and hardware ported for Mac (most not all)and are uaually the exact same technology.
Next is upgrade and repair/replacement. Most mac Stuff is intergrated(on a desktop system) while most PC systems have alot of intregration in there MB there are more that aren't as bad. You lose a powersupply you go buy a new one for $50 or so, need more hd space geta a serial ata hd, plug it in and away you go. PC in my opinion is easier to find parts for and to work on at home (I am a comp hobbiest..the modren muscle car)
All operating systems have issues and will hang up lock crash, OSX, Linux, Win ect and it is actually far more likely a corrupt file oar one over written by an installed app that will cause the issue.
Viruses, its called dont be an idiot.
software, there are in general more apps/games aviable for windows than any other platform but the biggest diffrence is in games.
Mac is in general easier to operate but not by any huge leaps.
Also if your going PC and using a desktop get a custom system or one from a manuf that allows customization. I usually build my own and you can build a very nice fast system for $600-700
It all boils down to what your comfortable with, get and use what works for you and you like to use. For me its a pc for you it might be a Mac (shudders). |
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08/14/2006 04:31:48 PM · #158 |
Originally posted by nemesise1977:
You lose a powersupply you go buy a new one for $50 or so, need more hd space geta a serial ata hd, plug it in and away you go. |
Same as a Mac. Apple doesn't manufacture hard drives and power supplies. They use the same suppliers as PC manufacturers.
Originally posted by nemesise1977:
software, there are in general more apps/games aviable for windows than any other platform but the biggest diffrence is in games. |
Current Macs can launch and run any Windows software natively in OS X using Crossover. Windows software + Macintosh software + Unix software = more apps/games are available to Mac users than any other platform.
Message edited by author 2006-08-14 20:32:50. |
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08/14/2006 05:03:26 PM · #159 |
Originally posted by nemesise1977:
I say PC over mac..Here is why though
Both systems have powerful graphics capabilities, but most add on graphics cards are chips designed on the PC platform and then drivers and hardware ported for Mac (most not all)and are uaually the exact same technology.
Next is upgrade and repair/replacement. Most mac Stuff is intergrated(on a desktop system) while most PC systems have alot of intregration in there MB there are more that aren't as bad. You lose a powersupply you go buy a new one for $50 or so, need more hd space geta a serial ata hd, plug it in and away you go. PC in my opinion is easier to find parts for and to work on at home (I am a comp hobbiest..the modren muscle car)
All operating systems have issues and will hang up lock crash, OSX, Linux, Win ect and it is actually far more likely a corrupt file oar one over written by an installed app that will cause the issue.
Viruses, its called dont be an idiot.
software, there are in general more apps/games aviable for windows than any other platform but the biggest diffrence is in games.
Mac is in general easier to operate but not by any huge leaps.
Also if your going PC and using a desktop get a custom system or one from a manuf that allows customization. I usually build my own and you can build a very nice fast system for $600-700
It all boils down to what your comfortable with, get and use what works for you and you like to use. For me its a pc for you it might be a Mac (shudders). |
Ya lost me in all that babbling... |
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08/14/2006 06:25:14 PM · #160 |
| I think this thread goes to show that perfectly reasonable people can disagree. I know what works for me. Thats all that matters. I stand by my statements and wish the best of luck to those who have different opinions. |
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08/14/2006 06:55:28 PM · #161 |
| I try to avoid posting an opinion in threads like these because it is quite meaningless - both sides would argue why they are better, but in fact the "better" machine is subjective to the user. |
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08/15/2006 12:08:00 PM · #162 |
Originally posted by mosall:
My two cents:
Cons for Mac:
-Highly overrated with photography (in my opinion, PCs can do the same things)
-EXPENSIVE
-Lots of cool new features that cost a lot |
not anymore.. |
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08/15/2006 12:25:58 PM · #163 |
'mac versus pc' is not a valid comparison to make anymore. Without switching on the machines, they are the same internally.
The difference now boils down to 'Windows versus OSX'
Of course... Buying a mac means you can have both... ;-) |
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08/15/2006 04:35:40 PM · #164 |
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08/15/2006 04:38:24 PM · #165 |
We have one solitary iMac G5 in our office that died from one day to the next. Turned out to be a "logic board" (Applespeak for motherboard) problem. Apple was using grey-market capacitors on their motherboards that simply melted down over time, rendering the machine unusable.
Oh the joys of closed proprietary systems. |
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08/15/2006 04:38:43 PM · #166 |
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08/15/2006 05:34:55 PM · #167 |
Originally posted by justin_hewlett:
Apple is not without its flaws |
Oh, the irony that you would say that today. :-/ |
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08/15/2006 05:39:21 PM · #168 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Apple was using grey-market capacitors on their motherboards that simply melted down over time, rendering the machine unusable. |
They weren't grey market, nor was it an Apple problem. Many PC manufacturers faced the same problem. |
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08/16/2006 01:24:32 PM · #169 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
'mac versus pc' is not a valid comparison to make anymore. Without switching on the machines, they are the same internally. |
Just curious, how come Mac OS can't be loaded onto a PC?
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08/16/2006 01:25:36 PM · #170 |
Originally posted by justin_hewlett:
Originally posted by jhonan:
'mac versus pc' is not a valid comparison to make anymore. Without switching on the machines, they are the same internally. |
Just curious, how come Mac OS can't be loaded onto a PC? |
Because Apple wants it that way.
Apple is a hardware seller, they make cool software to sell more hardware.
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08/16/2006 01:25:50 PM · #171 |
| Hey, hey, hey, I just ordered my first ever Mac last night! Yeah!!!! |
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08/16/2006 01:26:13 PM · #172 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Hey, hey, hey, I just ordered my first ever Mac last night! Yeah!!!! |
SWEET!! What did you order?
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08/16/2006 01:28:29 PM · #173 |
| 20-inch iMac (2GHz Intel Core Duo), with extra RAM (2 GB) - and a Spyder for calibration. |
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08/16/2006 01:32:05 PM · #174 |
Originally posted by ursula:
20-inch iMac (2GHz Intel Core Duo), with extra RAM (2 GB) - and a Spyder for calibration. |
Awesome, you'll love it!
Get a .mac account and give iWeb a try. Basic stuff but it works very well.
You can check out the family site if you want. It was done with iWeb.
//www.scarbrough.cc
The whole iLife package is very good. Garage Band is a lot of fun, even if you don'tplay an instrument. The loops can be arranged to make up stuff.
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08/16/2006 01:32:39 PM · #175 |
LOL, I know exactly how that guy feels. Reminds me a lot of my days editting photos and doing page layouts for newspapers on Mac G3s.
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