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08/10/2006 02:09:56 PM · #101 |
Originally posted by GeneralE: Originally posted by Art Roflmao: That's like saying cops don't really want to eliminate crime. |
The prison guard union certainly doesn't ... why do you think so many things are criminalized? |
Well, obviously because prison guards have conspired to bribe legislators. Duh. ;-) |
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08/10/2006 03:00:34 PM · #102 |
You know they do have money to burn!!
Light it iup ART!
Message edited by author 2006-08-10 19:00:54.
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08/10/2006 05:23:58 PM · #103 |
I wonder what good it might do me if everyone in the world uses the same computer as I do. |
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08/10/2006 05:31:48 PM · #104 |
Originally posted by crayon: I wonder what good it might do me if everyone in the world uses the same computer as I do. |
No good. Imagine the scheduling nightmare. Everyone wanting to use it all at the same time. Business as we know it would crawl to a halt. I know I wouldn't wait in line to use your computer. |
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08/10/2006 05:50:21 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by TechnoShroom: Originally posted by crayon: I wonder what good it might do me if everyone in the world uses the same computer as I do. |
No good. Imagine the scheduling nightmare. Everyone wanting to use it all at the same time. Business as we know it would crawl to a halt. I know I wouldn't wait in line to use your computer. |
but at least I think then nobody have to argue about which is the better OS, lol |
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08/10/2006 05:59:30 PM · #106 |
Originally posted by Cutter: I will let others get into the details, those are fairly easy. About 7 months ago, I made the switch from a 10 year PC user to a Mac. And honestly....I would NEVER NEVER NEVER go back to a PC. Macs are simple, clean, run very smoothly and just a pleasure. Never have to worry again. Also, I don't even have the best system in terms of RAM and the new processors. Go Mac, is my advice, and not even biased, just true. |
I did the same. I love my Mac but miss my PC. (Mainly for .Net programming) The next computer I buy will be a intel Mac so I can have both. |
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08/10/2006 07:10:42 PM · #107 |
I'm partial to PCs because I get more for my money. the end. |
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08/10/2006 07:15:21 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by ionyou: I'm partial to PCs because I get more for my money. |
More viruses, more worms, more spyware, more bugs, more crashes, more driver issues, more need for tech support... oh man, the features are endless! |
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08/10/2006 07:24:17 PM · #109 |
I switched to Mac and I'm with scalvert ... I love my Mac!!! |
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08/10/2006 07:29:04 PM · #110 |
sorry pc people I just love my MAC.....
MAC are awesome nothing to worry about, like scalvert said never no viruses or having to worry about drivers or if I install something I dont have to worry about it having some conflict about some driver or something.
I never had to call customer support for my mac, also everthing was already ready to go right out of the box. Everything is just so easy on a MAC.
I just love MACS and have for years
Message edited by author 2006-08-10 23:36:30.
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08/11/2006 06:27:55 AM · #111 |
i have to say that the l8st top of the Range Mac is just a couple of $ dearer than you can buy a similar specced PC for now.. so if you're looking at a top of the range Woodcrest, then you're better off purchasing a Mac and sticking windows on it :)
i own a PC and never had a virus, spyware, worm or had to call customer support either - i've had to fix a few PC's that were riddled with spyware and other forms of crap tho' and a few Mac's with viri on :) |
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08/11/2006 06:33:29 AM · #112 |
forget using photoshop on a MAC.. why would you do that when you can use APERTURE !?
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08/11/2006 06:55:33 AM · #113 |
As far as I can see, the only benefit a Mac has over a PC is that the Mac will be up and running faster "out of the box" from the shop. That being the case, you should bear in mind that you only get it out of the box once, so that benefit is quickly forgotten.
What isn't so easily forgotten is that, now you've got a Mac, you've just committed yourself to more expensive upgrades, repairs and support than with a PC, because the overall user base is so much smaller.
Unless you have a specific reason to buy a Mac, I can't see why you would do so. |
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08/11/2006 07:10:40 AM · #114 |
Originally posted by mist: As far as I can see, the only benefit a Mac has over a PC is that the Mac will be up and running faster "out of the box" from the shop. |
Look harder. It's also easier to use and more capable AFTER you get it out of the box, upgrades are generally PC-standard parts and easier to install, and there's far less need for repairs and support (although last time I checked Apple support was rated WAYYY higher than Dell anyway). On top of that, if you configure a PC with all the things that come standard on a Mac these days, the Mac is often cheaper than a PC. :-/
Message edited by author 2006-08-11 11:11:07. |
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08/11/2006 07:18:52 AM · #115 |
Originally posted by scalvert: Look harder. It's also easier to use and more capable |
Hmm. I guess that depends on your perspective, as I've always found the PC to be easy to use and capable. I can't think of many things that I'd want this PC to do that it can't do already. |
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08/11/2006 07:26:47 AM · #116 |
Why dont you just buy the parts and build your own pc? That way you get exactly what you want and need from your computer and it will save you money vs. buying one assembled. |
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08/11/2006 07:44:16 AM · #117 |
Originally posted by mist: I've always found the PC to be easy to use and capable. |
Case in point: My wife and I each brought home computers from our offices. We wanted to add them to our wireless network at home so she bought a Linksys wireless card and I got an Apple Airport card. We installed her card in a PCI slot and screwed on the ugly antenna on the back. Started up the PC and... no network. Installed the driver from the CD... still nothing. Went to the Linksys web site on another computer and found firmware and driver updates, but it took a while to find the right one because there were several with the same model number. AHA! Found the right software (leading to another adventure when the PC doesn't recognize my thumb drive...), and the Linksys card finally shows up as functioning normally, but still no network. Go through another setup procedure and enter a network code (in addition to standard password protection). Finally get a connection, but the signal is very low and keeps dropping out (the base station is in the next room). Now I proceed to swat "critical security update" messages popping up on the screen.
By contrast, I installed the Airport card in the Mac (several years older than the PC) and booted the machine. A message pops up asking if I want to join the network it found. Sure... one click. Poof! I'm online, and I get a full signal anywhere in the house. If I take the PC somewhere else, I'll at least need to enter a new code. If I move the Mac, it'll just ask if I want to join the new network it found. No key codes, no hassles.
Originally posted by mist: I can't think of many things that I'd want this PC to do that it can't do already. |
Find an equivalent to iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, iWeb... all of which come standard on a Mac. Need a translation, thesaurus, phone number or measurement conversion? Just hit F12. Done. Want a second monitor for proofing? Just plug it in. New camera? No problem... you can even open the RAW files in Preview and save them in another format without a converter. Yadayadayada...
Message edited by author 2006-08-11 11:45:58. |
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08/11/2006 07:46:21 AM · #118 |
Originally posted by scalvert: Case in point: |
And thats why I love MACS!!!!!!
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08/11/2006 07:59:22 AM · #119 |
Originally posted by scalvert: Originally posted by mist: I've always found the PC to be easy to use and capable. |
Case in point: My wife and I each brought home computers from our offices. We wanted to add them to our wireless network at home so she bought a Linksys wireless card and I got an Apple Airport card. ...If I take the PC somewhere else, I'll at least need to enter a new code. If I move the Mac, it'll just ask if I want to join the new network it found. No key codes, no hassles.
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Fair enough, although with a secure network you should have to enter a code, or at least a passphrase.
All I had to do with the work pc was enter a network name and keycode, the wireless device was built in and automatically configured. Not quite one-button but as good as.
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by mist: I can't think of many things that I'd want this PC to do that it can't do already. |
Find an equivalent to iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, iWeb... all of which come standard on a Mac. Need a translation, thesaurus, phone number or measurement conversion? Just hit F12. Done. Want a second monitor for proofing? Just plug it in. New camera? No problem... you can even open the RAW files in Preview and save them in another format without a converter. Yadayadayada... |
I'm not sure exactly what those programs do, so I'd be pressed to find an equivalent. However, XP comes with media player for free, and other freeware programs are easily soureable. If I want a conversion then I can get it out of google. My current graphics card would run two monitors, you can get more advanced set ups that'll support 8 or so, I believe. XP tends to pick up a lot of cameras without a driver, and Microsoft RAW viewer will show you RAW previews and thumbnails.
So basically I'm back to the point of, unless there's something you specifically want a Mac for, you may as well get a PC. I'm reckoning that the PC would be cheaper for the average punter, too. |
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08/11/2006 08:11:17 AM · #120 |
Originally posted by mist: I've always found the PC to be easy to use and capable. |
That doesn't preclude the existence of something easier to use and more capable, does it?
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08/11/2006 08:24:26 AM · #121 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Case in point: My wife and I each brought home computers from our offices. We wanted to add them to our wireless network at home so she bought a Linksys wireless card and I got an Apple Airport card. We installed her card in a PCI slot and screwed on the ugly antenna on the back. Started up the PC and... no network. Installed the driver from the CD... still nothing. Went to the Linksys web site on another computer and found firmware and driver updates, but it took a while to find the right one because there were several with the same model number. AHA! Found the right software (leading to another adventure when the PC doesn't recognize my thumb drive...), and the Linksys card finally shows up as functioning normally, but still no network. Go through another setup procedure and enter a network code (in addition to standard password protection). Finally get a connection, but the signal is very low and keeps dropping out (the base station is in the next room). Now I proceed to swat "critical security update" messages popping up on the screen.
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Back in December I put in a wireless card into my PC. Started it up. XP immediatly said "New Hardware Detected, then about 15 seconds later it said "Your new Hardware is ready to use." Then it immediatly popped up that it had found a wireless network and would I like to connect. No problem. I did have an issue getting the Linksys security up and running- but that didn't have anything to do with Windows it was a bug in the wireless router.
As far as which is better. Alot depends on what you're comfortable with. We had 2 Macs in our analytical lab that everyone just hated- we called them Mr. Crashy and Sir Crash Alot. It was lots of fun to run a hour long titration only to have the computer crash while it was processing data. My 3 hour a week lab, turned into 5 or 6 hours a week.
My PC runs like a dream- other than the unfortunate HD crash, but that was mechanical not windows- although my wife tells me all the time. "Of course the computer runs great, you're a computer geek. You sit there and if something isn't working right you fix it before it becomes an issue."
So what do I know.
Message edited by author 2006-08-11 12:25:48.
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08/11/2006 08:30:35 AM · #122 |
Originally posted by AJAger:
That doesn't preclude the existence of something easier to use and more capable, does it? |
Not really, but since both are qualatative measures I can only really go on my experiences. The only Mac that I have used has been less intuitive than XP.
I think that a lot of people still judge windows based on the days of windows 95, when the product did used to crash a lot and needed restarting every five minutes. The same is simply not the case today with a well-built machine. |
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08/11/2006 08:34:52 AM · #123 |
iPhoto -- Photo editor -- probably as good as PS Elements
iMovie -- Edit digital video
iDVD -- Author DVDs
GarageBand -- Multi-track virtual recording studio for analog and MIDI
iTunes -- If you're into the iPod thing ...
CD burning is built-in
FireWire and USB are built-in
Etc. |
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08/11/2006 08:39:15 AM · #124 |
This thread is too long and probably riddled with opinionated posts, so I'm not going to read it all, just give me two cents, so I apologize if there's any overlap with what anyone else has said.
I always always hated macs. I have been a PC user since before AOL v.2.5, so I thought I knew what computers were about. Last fall I went to Japan on a study group, and needed a laptop. My main computer was a behemoth Alienware PC, so that was clearly not coming with me; but I needed something I could dump photos onto and do general purpose computing on.
A lot of my friends had been buying Apple laptops, and I decided to get one, so I ended up with a 12" iBook. Let me tell you how it went down: I went to Japan in August, got back in December, and didn't even turn my PC on until April. I had no reason to use it anymore. A macintosh laptop is so incredibly versatile, streamlined, functional, and very attractive to look at.
More specific respones to the questions you posed:
In terms of image editing, a behemoth desktop PC is going to have less problems overall than a tiny macintosh laptop. That having been said, there is no difference in stability between my mac and my pc in image editing software, the PC is merely faster at doing things, because the hardware is vastly superior.
If you want to use a mac for image editing I would highly recommend one of the nicer PowerBooks, or, ideally, a Macbook Pro. I do not doubt those will be powerful enough for any type of editing you'd plan to do, and besides, only portable macintosh computers really show off their full range of features. Word of caution though - if you end up with a macintosh laptop you will certainly feel limited with space on your monitor. Image editing often requires you to juggle all sorts of tiny windows, so I definitely recommend purchasing a decently sized external monitor and run in a dual-monitor set-up (the laptop screen + the new monitor). You can certainly hook up whatever monitor you're currently using to a new laptop, but you may have issues calibrating the color properly. I know my NECLC1760NX monitor doesn't seem to be fully compatible with my iBook.
I basically only use my PC now for gaming, and would in all other circumstances prefer to be using the mac. |
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08/11/2006 08:42:39 AM · #125 |
Originally posted by v5planet: ... I definitely recommend purchasing a decently sized external monitor and run in a dual-monitor set-up (the laptop screen + the new monitor). |
In this configuration I'd use the external monitor only, and save the wear on the laptop screen -- that's by far the most expensive part. |
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