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08/08/2003 04:50:19 AM · #1 |
I just noticed that my entry and another one I really liked got DQed. What I had understood was that this challenge was a free for all. The reason I was given for my entry being DQed was that we were supposed to take a picture depicting the future, and to contact them if I had indeed taken the picture of the Earth in my entry. I did take my own picture, but since I was under the impression that you could photoshop any way you wanted, I used an element for another picture that I in fact didnt take. I guess I misunderstood the rules. Thanks to all of you who left wonderful comments, I really appreciate it. Here's my entry:
//www.ofoto.com/PhotoView.jsp?UV=436049241255_59766998405&collid=35136406305&photoid=92779328405&page=1
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08/08/2003 04:58:55 AM · #2 |
You made a cool picture - one of the most debated of the week I'd say.
The problem is just what you said - you didn't take a portion of your shot and IMHO the most IMPORTANT element of your shot. When we create our works for dpc, we automatically generate a copyright interest in those pictures (people may wish to argue about registering, but you do NOT need to register your work to own copyright in it). Now, applying that to us, if I take a picture of your landscape, play with it in PS and post it as my own, you'd have every right to yell scream and sue me. Now, apply it outside dpc. Someone has copyright in the image you borrowed. They have every right to have their shot left as they created it. If they wished to, they could "sue" you and dpc (though it's unlikely).
I know this was a misunderstanding, but one I'm glad DPC has to clear up. Photosig has the "I own the copyright for this picture" box and I think dpc should implement the same.
M
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08/08/2003 05:02:04 AM · #3 |
Dang,that's opening a whole can of worms. There are more than one pics of the earth. What about the rule stating that you cannot use an image that has already been submitted, in whole or in part? I think I saw two. I say let it be.
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08/08/2003 05:04:55 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Jacko:
Dang,that's opening a whole can of worms. There are more than one pics of the earth. What about the rule stating that you cannot use an image that has already been submitted, in whole or in part? I think I saw two. I say let it be. |
They are all being discussed
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08/08/2003 05:28:21 AM · #5 |
As long as you own the copyright on the previously submitted image, it's not the same thing. If I took one of YOUR shots and used it, that's different. If I reused one of mine, while it could be against dpc rules, this challenge had "no" dpc rules. If I reuse one of yours, that's illegal.
M
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08/08/2003 05:31:41 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
As long as you own the copyright on the previously submitted image, it's not the same thing. If I took one of YOUR shots and used it, that's different. If I reused one of mine, while it could be against dpc rules, this challenge had "no" dpc rules. If I reuse one of yours, that's illegal.
M |
It didn't have "no rules". The post-shot adjustment rules were not in effect for this challenge, and nor was the exposure date rule. The other rules were still in effect, including where it states you may only use a photo once.
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08/08/2003 05:35:38 AM · #7 |
True enough.
I think there's quite a difference between reusing your own pic (I'm aware of the rule but wouldn't have thought about it in this context because of the "exposure date doesn't matter" argument) and using someone else's pic...but maybe you're right - I hadn't thought about it at all. Maybe both are wrong.
M
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08/08/2003 05:36:45 AM · #8 |
Copyright infringement may not be an issue here. NASA images are generally not copyrighted.
//www.nasa.gov/audience/formedia/features/MP_Photo_Guidelines.html |
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08/08/2003 05:38:30 AM · #9 |
Is this hooha having an 'effect' on the update button? Are the vote counts getting frozen for the moment?
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08/08/2003 06:03:31 AM · #10 |
I'm curious about what I may to be able to do on future similar challenges...
can I ask the administrators here whether:
1: I would have been able to incorporate an image created in Bryce, 3d Studio Max, or similar?
2: I would have been able to use an image of the earth created by a plugin for Photoshop which creates moons, planets, the earth, etc.? |
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08/08/2003 06:14:43 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
I'm curious about what I may to be able to do on future similar challenges...
can I ask the administrators here whether:
1: I would have been able to incorporate an image created in Bryce, 3d Studio Max, or similar?
2: I would have been able to use an image of the earth created by a plugin for Photoshop which creates moons, planets, the earth, etc.? |
Well, if the rules says no post-editing rules, I don't see why you couldn't create an image of the planet and incorporate it in your photo. This is PS stuff and not against copyright law. The problem here seems to be incorporating someone else work.
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08/08/2003 06:34:39 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by nathaliedoo:
The problem here seems to be incorporating someone else work. |
If this is the problem then the admins should just ask the person that submitted the shot if they have proof of permission to use the image from the original copyright holder.
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08/08/2003 06:43:21 AM · #13 |
The first line of the Challenge Rules states clearly:
"Any photograph submitted to a challenge must be taken with a digital camera..."
If you are not submitting work that YOU TOOK with YOUR DIGITAL CAMERA, then you cannot be positive it's legal for the challenge. If for no other reason than that, you should ensure that the work you submit is 100% from your own sources.
Scanned photographs or art, even for this challenge, are absolutely DPC-illegal -- copyright issues not withstanding.
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08/08/2003 07:06:36 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by muckpond:
The first line of the Challenge Rules states clearly:
"Any photograph submitted to a challenge must be taken with a digital camera..."
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I agree with that 100%, and as long as you begin with a photo that YOU TOOK with YOUR DIGITAL CAMERA and then manipulated or added to with the guideline of the challenge (in this case NO HOLDS BARRED) then there is no basis for DQ
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08/08/2003 07:43:53 AM · #15 |
| Yes, but what about say a composite of 4 previous digital photos against a background created in Bryce? |
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08/08/2003 07:47:11 AM · #16 |
Bobster
For this particular challenge i don't see how it could not be acceptable to use a background you create
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08/08/2003 07:52:56 AM · #17 |
If you created all parts of the final image yourself, then I think that is fine. However, in my opinion, downloading a stock photo and using it is not what this site is about. Even if you buy a photo, you didnt create it yourself, so entering it into a competition is hardly the right thing to do.
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08/08/2003 08:06:23 AM · #18 |
There are some very cool photos ,but I see some "borrowed " images mixed in,who ever did that should be no sorry if DQed!
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08/08/2003 08:09:52 AM · #19 |
I don't see any room for interpretation, the challenge description says:
Take a photograph that might give your viewer a glimpse of the future.
I think the word TAKEshould be descriptive enough. :<) |
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08/08/2003 08:13:56 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by autool:
I don't see any room for interpretation, the challenge description says:
Take a photograph that might give your viewer a glimpse of the future.
I think the word TAKEshould be descriptive enough. :<) |
The based on this interpretation any photo that used any type of editing is in violation of the rules...
Very interesting...
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08/08/2003 08:17:41 AM · #21 |
Editing doesn't mean taking someones work and pasting over your photo,that is stealing!
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08/08/2003 08:19:10 AM · #22 |
I don't see any room for interpretation, the challenge description says:
Take a photograph that might give your viewer a glimpse of the future.
I think the word TAKEshould be descriptive enough. :<)
I TOOKa photograph and then added an element from a non copyrighted photograph taken by NASA. I dont see the harm or the reason for DQ. Maybe the rules should have been more descriptive. But in the end, my entry was DQed and there's nothing that's gonna change that. I'm just happy with all the possitive comments I got, even from some of the best photographers in this site.
Sincerely,
June
Message edited by author 2003-08-08 12:19:44.
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08/08/2003 08:20:20 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Editing doesn't mean taking someones work and pasting over your photo,that is stealing! |
It's only stealing IF it is done with out the permission of the person that owns the original...
This is from the very bottom of every DPC page:
All digital photo copyrights belong to the photographers and may not be used without permission.
Has it occured to anyone that is condemning each photographer for STEALING someone elses work, that MAYBE they have the owner permission to use it?
Of course not...
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08/08/2003 08:20:21 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by rickhd13:
Originally posted by autool:
I don't see any room for interpretation, the challenge description says:
Take a photograph that might give your viewer a glimpse of the future.
I think the word TAKEshould be descriptive enough. :<) |
The based on this interpretation any photo that used any type of editing is in violation of the rules...
I thought photo editing was part of this challenge! In order to be creative about the future I believe photo manipulation can be a very effective tool. As long as you took the picture with your digital camera and followed the rules.....
Very interesting... |
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08/08/2003 08:20:37 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by rickhd13:
Originally posted by autool:
I don't see any room for interpretation, the challenge description says:
Take a photograph that might give your viewer a glimpse of the future.
I think the word TAKEshould be descriptive enough. :<) |
The based on this interpretation any photo that used any type of editing is in violation of the rules...
Very interesting... |
Huh? Why would any type of editing be a violation when you're editing your OWN fotos? I can't see your logic.
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