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07/28/2003 03:53:31 AM · #1 |
I'm curious to know how people use the 1 as a vote. I know personally I would not give a photograph a 1 if it met the challenge, regardless of whether or not I liked the photograph. A 1, to me, is "doesn't meet the challenge AND is completely off technically (bad focus, terrible color, and poor composition).
I really think I've reached the point where this site is doing more damage than good for me. I am definitely sitting out the next several challenges after garden (i've already submitted something there). It does me no good to stretch and try new things on a site that focuses almost completely on textbook definitions when it comes to voting.
This is becoming a rant, so I'll quit. I really am interested in the voters' definitions of 1, so please do respond.
Shari
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07/28/2003 03:56:50 AM · #2 |
1 = I don't like the photo at all.
To me, it doesnt matter whether it is in focus, or if it's technically okay, if I don't like the photo at all I'll give it a 1. Even if it meets the challenge, I'll give it a 1 if there is nothing about it I like.
10 = I love the photo and there is nothing about it I don't like. Of course, if this doesn't meet the challenge I will have to deduct 1 2 or 3 points.
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07/28/2003 03:58:51 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by Konador:
1 = I don't like the photo at all.
To me, it doesnt matter whether it is in focus, or if it's technically okay, if I don't like the photo at all I'll give it a 1. Even if it meets the challenge, I'll give it a 1 if there is nothing about it I like.
10 = I love the photo and there is nothing about it I don't like. Of course, if this doesn't meet the challenge I will have to deduct 1 2 or 3 points. |
If you deduct 1 or 2 for not meeting the challenge, then even a photo you don't "like" at all deserves a 2 if it meets the challenge!
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07/28/2003 03:59:41 AM · #4 |
In my opinion, meeting the challenge isn't a bonus... it's a requirement.
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07/28/2003 04:04:56 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by Konador:
In my opinion, meeting the challenge isn't a bonus... it's a requirement. |
Agreed 100%
I vote pretty much the same as you too! I usually give 2/3 to pictures I don't like or are technically poor but meet the challenge.. 1 to images that don't meet the challenge and are technically poor..
1 to lazy photographers..
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07/28/2003 04:13:51 AM · #6 |
I don't often give ones, and I'm with Konador... Whether or not the photo meets the challenge doesn't play into it that way for me. I will give some photos that don't meet the challenge decent scores if I can find some interest in them.
To get a 1 from me, you must show minimal effort and no skill with your camera. There are some other elements that factor into a score of a 1 for me as well which are personal.
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07/28/2003 05:26:39 AM · #7 |
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07/28/2003 05:31:51 AM · #8 |
It is all a matter of personal opinion and preference as to what determines a 1 or a 10. How do you interpret it, what do you see, what does it make you feel? And of course meeting the challenge
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07/28/2003 06:05:38 AM · #9 |
For me, the very few ones I give are to pics that are so technically unsound that I can not tell what they were trying to do, the challenge is a far stretch (and I give a lot of room here), or the subject is unappealing/disgusting/extremely offensive to me. Two of those three may get a one, but usually a two, and all three will get a one.
Disclaimor -- I give very few ones, though I have given quite a few 2s or 3s.
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07/28/2003 06:08:37 AM · #10 |
I wish I had an easy way to go look at photos I have voted on based on the score I have given them.... If I could go back and look at the photos I have scored a 1, I could give a better detail of 'why' I gave ones and maybe even come up with a 'guideline' that explains it...
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07/28/2003 06:12:11 AM · #11 |
Could you go to your statistically favorite pictures and just go to the end of hte line. Oh wait, you said an "easy" way. I agree. That would be interesting.
edited to say -- nevermind. it only shows the first page
Message edited by author 2003-07-28 10:15:19.
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07/28/2003 06:14:10 AM · #12 |
I almost never give 1... I also almost never give 10. I think I have give about dosen 1 and same of 10´s
When I give 1 then it is because the picture is simple horrible. Out of focus, small, technecly bad ect ect. But what do I now.. i´m just a beginner |
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07/28/2003 06:21:18 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Konador:
In my opinion, meeting the challenge isn't a bonus... it's a requirement. |
if this is true, then not meeting the challenge should be a 1 because nothing else counts if you do not meet the requirement.
If I were 14 and took a driving test, and scored perfectly on that test, I would still fail because I did not meet the requirement.
If I did meet the requirement, but you did not like the car I was driving, I would still pass the test.
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07/28/2003 07:14:54 AM · #14 |
In my voting, I give a 1 only to a photo that does not come anywhere close to meeting the challenge...
On the other hand, if i open the photo and it makes me say "WOW", thats a 10
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07/28/2003 07:19:23 AM · #15 |
1 is tool for folks who put their photo in challenge just for the hell of having it,to put down other pictures so they can boost their own score!
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07/28/2003 07:29:34 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
1 is tool for folks who put their photo in challenge just for the hell of having it,to put down other pictures so they can boost their own score! |
That's pretty much the truth. I do admit I occassionally give a 1 but that is only when the photo is simply hard to even look at and see anything good in it. Even my pet peeve photos have scored higher than 1 or 2 usually cause even though I don't like something I do try to score it on more than just emotional appeal. On the same note though I am almost as hard to get a 10 out of. I reserve the 10s for photos I really like that have both technical merit and emotional appeal. |
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07/28/2003 07:47:01 AM · #17 |
| I agree a one is a shot that has no technical merits and the subject is dull, and does not meet the challenge, I rarely give them and of late if I give a one or a two I make myself comment, in fairness to person and to help me learn more about what I think is good or not. But what do I know. |
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07/28/2003 09:07:06 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by ellamay:
I agree a one is a shot that has no technical merits and the subject is dull, and does not meet the challenge, I rarely give them and of late if I give a one or a two I make myself comment, in fairness to person and to help me learn more about what I think is good or not. But what do I know. |
I agree with Ellamy. However, I haven't given a score of 1 since my first time voting. I figured if someone took the time to take a photograph, transfer it to their computer, re-size it, make sure it's less than 150k, name it, then submit it...then they probably are trying at least a little bit. But whenever I give my lowest votes I always make sure to comment the same way that I try to comment on all my votes of 10. You have to keep in mind that there are also very young kids below the age of 10 and can't afford the nice cameras some of us have. To them, that picture could be an absolute masterpiece.
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07/28/2003 09:54:42 AM · #19 |
This is a direct quote from the Challenge Rules, in the voting section
"While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly."
From this I gather that the topic of the challenge HAS to be our top priority when we vote.
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07/28/2003 09:59:12 AM · #20 |
| Hold on like Drunk for the fence! |
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07/28/2003 09:59:23 AM · #21 |
Users are asked... not told.
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07/29/2003 10:44:23 PM · #22 |
I don't think I'd give someone a 1 for any reason, because this contest isn't worth enough to make someone feel like they have no talent, but I generally focus on the subjects when judging. Typical photography school 101 shots like close-ups of flowers, people's pets, basic landscapes, and posed photos (unless they're brilliant) are boring and overdone. Also, images that show no creativity in addressing the theme (or one's which don't seem to tie into the theme at all) would score lower with me.
I prefer shots that look as if they capture an unplanned moment, and ones that give me an emotional jolt. I noticed that on one of the trends pictures, people gave a bad score to the person who took the amazing picture because it was a scary image. I think that's a poor way to judge something. The fat guy photo made me cringe, because I'm against the basic stereotypes of fat people as lazy with unhealthy diets, but it was a good picture. I don't think it was a winning shot, because it seemed easy enough to take and didn't require any technical skill, but I would have given it at least a 5, regardless of whether the subject matter upset me. |
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07/29/2003 11:15:56 PM · #23 |
I'll go out on a limb here and suggest that any picture that doesn't meet the challenge *should* get a 1.
However, most entries do try and meet the challenge in some way, and it would be very damaging to this site if we were to vote down a photo because we couldn't see the relevance immediately. Being prodded into thinking isn't necessarily a bad idea.
The term 'challenge' in DPC doesn't mean 'a challenge to make a great shot', it means 'a challenge to protray the topic in a great way'. Scores should reflect the degree to which this has been achieved. |
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07/29/2003 11:35:54 PM · #24 |
| A 1 is for a really terrible photo, something you would simply look at and laugh out loud at the fact that someone would even take it, let alone submit it to a contest to be judged. I believe the lowest rating few photos in most challenges are deserving of 1's and if you look at the stats they actually end up with more like high 3's, which is much better than they deserve, given that the average of photos that I think are pretty good is only about 5.5 or so. |
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07/30/2003 12:19:10 AM · #25 |
I have found that there is a really wierd voting curve here. Many photos get a 5 average and then it becomes exponentially harder to get a higher score. For some entries to only get a 7 and win which are miles ahead of others that get a 5 is strange if you ask me.
That aside I personally believe that the photos have to fit into the category of the challenge. Isnt that the whole point of having a challenge. Otherwise we will all submit whatever photos we take whenever like a standard pic of the day/month site.
This is only my second submission here but they way I see it is the challenges are there to stimulate ideas and make the photographer think about a subject and take a photo that relates. It makes us think about things we normally wouldnt think about. But maybe its just me coz Im new to photography and appreciate other ideas coz I havent done it yet.
I also cant believe the score my current photo is getting. My thumb of it is sooo crap and doesnt do it justice.
Thats all. |
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