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 04/18/2002 09:42:10 AM · #26
Looking over the cameras used here there is a vast range of cameras out here, point and shoot through pro-sumer digitals.

Its almost tough for some of the lower end cameras to compete depending on the challenge. With that said the photographer will know how to get the best out of their camera regardless of its limitations.

My best shot is a night shot even though my fuji 2800 is a terrible low light camera.
 04/18/2002 09:51:11 AM · #27
i just think, just for the sake of discussion, that all things being equal, people will have a better response to a picture that's from a higher end imaging system. even if they're of the same subject, taken by the same photographer, the one with the sharper details, lower noise and more poppin' colors will be perceived as 'better.'

of course this doesnt matter because none of us here care about things like winning or losing. we're all here for fun and learning. RIGHT???? I CAN'T HEAR YOU! : )

* This message has been edited by the author on 4/18/2002 1:52:03 PM.
 04/18/2002 09:57:14 AM · #28
Originally posted by Maverick:
I wish people wouldn't keep revealing their pictures. It could lead to biased votes in some cases. That and it's like ruining the surprise when the final votes are announced.


We wouldn't be revealing our pictures if so many weren't making accusations and insinuations that the photos weren't genuine. Believe me it is much easier for me to answer a doubting post with "check out my photo link in the forum" than to try to explain the movement points on the photo. I'm sure it will lead to biased votes but weren't the votes already biased by the doubting Thomases? I think arnit has an excellent photo and I voted it a 9 but I'm sure he has gotten much lower due to the number of people rating it as a fixed photo.
 04/18/2002 09:58:36 AM · #29
Mousie, I totally agree with you about it probably being harder to fake then to just do it right. It is also a shot that a lot of people could do even with their point and shoot cameras because the light is so bright that the camera would chose a very fast shutter speed for you. And by using the self timer on a tripod the camera could probably, very easily, auto focus on the subject with just enough depth of field to include the flying toast and toaster. Also, by reducing to 640x480 and applying some sharpening, almost all brightly lit photos will look very clean.

Tim J

 04/21/2002 09:33:24 AM · #30
I'm still getting comments from people who think my picture is fake :(
 04/21/2002 09:57:05 AM · #31
Originally posted by arnit:
I'm still getting comments from people who think my picture is fake :(


Maybe we need a 'DPChallenge Admin Certified' logo that can get put above pictures that have been queried, checked up on and found to be okay.

I agree with the comments that say vote based on it being good, and recommend disqualification, but some indication that it has already been looked into might help ?

Thought the toast picture was excellent and it just doesn't look faked at all - like someone else said - maybe all these people that are crying fake should try doing it themselves, to understand that it would actually be easier to do these sorts of things for real, rather than get the lighting, scale etc right...
 04/21/2002 10:19:22 AM · #32
Keep in mind that a lot of voters aren't participating in the forums to catch this information...
 04/21/2002 01:03:41 PM · #33
Maybe we need a 'DPChallenge Admin Certified' logo that can get put above pictures that have been queried, checked up on and found to be okay.

I agree with the comments that say vote based on it being good, and recommend disqualification, but some indication that it has already been looked into might help ?

Thought the toast picture was excellent and it just doesn't look faked at all - like someone else said - maybe all these people that are crying fake should try doing it themselves, to understand that it would actually be easier to do these sorts of things for real, rather than get the lighting, scale etc right...


agreed. getting that lighting right would have been far more trouble than just going out and throwing up a bunch of toast... Uhhhh. you know what I mean.

I also like your 'Seal of Authenticity' idea. Might save an otherwise great picture from potential unecessary adverse ratings.

 04/21/2002 01:34:07 PM · #34
Ok,
I will admit that I listed the toster shot as fake, I was one of many it sounds like. The main reason was the the toast and toster were so crisp against the perfect gardient-sky. With the hands in the Down position and the head focused on the camera unconcerned about falling objects, made it even harder to tell.

I did rate it as I would have anyway. It looked less fake in the hands up position of the third picture but was a bit too dark (probably one reason you didnt submit it.) The pottery smashing is a very good shot and I dont recall anyone else breaking something in that way.

As jmsetzler above noted, I didnt read the forum first. Mainly so I wouldnt bias myself based on what people were saying about differnt pictures.

If you hadn't been the one who took the shot and didnt have experience with your outakes or your equiptment, how would you have rated it? Thats a hard question to answer.

Though I agree a "Moderatedor Certified - Seal of Approval" would be nice. Just a simple black box With a lime-green checkmark in it and saying "Moderator Approved" Probably stick it to the left of the voting boxes or adjacent to the picture.

PS: this typing box came up tiny on my screen. 20 characters wide & 10 lines tall.
 04/21/2002 03:12:45 PM · #35
Originally posted by arnit:
I'm still getting comments from people who think my picture is fake :(


You too?
 04/21/2002 03:27:57 PM · #36
I think arnit's photo is EXCELLENT. It's a very well composed shot and it carries a mistique that has generated a lot of conversation here. It's unfortunate for him that he is struggling because people are making assumptions based on a bad theory. *I* did not suspect his shot was fake. I saw no evidence that it was. Mr. Arnit made a great quality shot.... so great, in fact, that some doubt its authenticity.

As Drew has said over and over again, we should not vote a photo down because we think it is fake. Vote it like it is not fake and then challenge it by recommending for disqualifiction.
04/21/2002 04:56:15 PM · #37
As I was looking at the "Toast" picture again I decided that it was indeed a fake. A highly reflective object such as a toaster should be reflecting the blue sky. I've also seen these other similar pictures. These maybe real but the submitted toast picture could have been easily done in Photoshop. But this is only my point of view.
 04/21/2002 04:59:22 PM · #38
Originally posted by MaYz:
As I was looking at the "Toast" picture again I decided that it was indeed a fake. A highly reflective object such as a toaster should be reflecting the blue sky. I've also seen these other similar pictures. These maybe real but the submitted toast picture could have been easily done in Photoshop. But this is only my point of view.

You have got to be kidding me. Look at the freakin examples he posted. The toaster is painted a mat-tan color, hence no reflection. If you look at the picture of him throwing up the vcr (?), the sticker on the back reflects the sky. And 1.jpg shows him holding the toaster, with no reflections. If arnit went to such lengths to edit 5 photographs (which he didn't), he deserves the votes anyway.
 04/21/2002 05:02:02 PM · #39
I think this is just concept that will have to be filtered in to the vote.. some people will not be convinced...
 04/21/2002 05:08:19 PM · #40
This toaster is white and brown... not chromed. So it isn't a reflective object. And if it isn't a reflective object... it dose not reflect the sky. We all know that it is no problem to do this in photoshop.

Part of the original

This is a part of the original picture and you should see that it isn't faked.
 04/21/2002 05:19:39 PM · #41
Here are some more examples for those who still think it is a fake.

Picture 6
Picture 7
Picture 8
Picture 9
Picture 10
Picture 11

If I would have faked it. I would have put more toast in it!
If I woud have faked it :)

* This message has been edited by the author on 4/21/2002 9:20:45 PM.
 04/21/2002 05:21:51 PM · #42
I must tell you that I stand corrected. The toaster is definately not highly reflective as you state. I think I need to color manage my monitor. I viewed the picture on another monitor in the house and also did look at the other supporting pictures on it. If I could delete my message I would. If the picture is real and I guess it must be, it is an excellent picture.

Thanks for sending the other picture. You're right...it does show the blue reflection on the reflective black side of the toaster.
 04/21/2002 05:25:43 PM · #43
No problem :) for John Boblem.
 04/21/2002 06:53:42 PM · #44
I agree with the fact if you think a pic is fake, vote for it like it is legit, then recomend it to be disqualified. One thing to remember, is not everyone has the same calibar camera here. Some have professional cameras that are capable of a lot more and the timing part is not as much of an issue.
I have a friend that shot all of his stuff at the Olympics on digital and I couldnt tell the difference even when it was projected on a 12' screen.
And to top all of that off, some just have better skills than others. That isnt a put-down to anyone. I know I have learned a lot from seeing what others do on here and most have been great about responding to questions on their pics. No one ever knows everything ....
 04/22/2002 01:16:08 PM · #45
The only photo I wondered about was the light bulb. One bulb breaking would be much like any other I suppose but that look awfully familiar.
 04/22/2002 02:12:51 PM · #46
Arnet, glad you kept a sense of humor thru this. Actually you have set a goal most of us will never reach. I'll wager almost all of us wish our photos had been questioned like yours. You took a super pic mister.
 04/24/2002 04:10:21 PM · #47
I only have one remaing question....

Does the toaster still work?
 04/24/2002 05:53:56 PM · #48
Originally posted by David Ey:
Arnet, glad you kept a sense of humor thru this. Actually you have set a goal most of us will never reach. I'll wager almost all of us wish our photos had been questioned like yours. You took a super pic mister.

I agree with you, Daved.
 04/24/2002 08:03:29 PM · #49
Originally posted by langdon:
I agree with you, Daved.

I don't get et.
 04/24/2002 08:08:34 PM · #50
Originally posted by drewmedia:
Originally posted by langdon:
[i]I agree with you, Daved.

I don't get et.[/i]

Talk to Langdon, he'll splain
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