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12/11/2005 11:37:06 PM · #1 |
Durring the Free Study 9 Chalenge i submitted the following pic:
My Free Study 9 Challenge Submission
I recieved (2) Ones, (2) Twos, and (10) Threes.
And thats ok. The problem lies in the fact that i only recieved 2 comments, both somewhat positive. i see it like this. If you give a person a REALLY low score (1,2, or 3), then you see something REALLY wrong with that picture, and you should explain to them why you rated them so low. I use DPC to help me get better with pictures, and without comments, it does me no good to enter challenges to improve my skills.
To alleviate this forseen problem, my suggestion is that the admins add logic to the site to make it mandatory that if you score someone with a 1,2, or 3, then you must enter in some comment, and if you dont, your low score is not counted for the challenge. i think its only fair to thoes who are using this website as a tool to get better with photograpy.
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12/11/2005 11:48:59 PM · #2 |
Would a comment of '.' be very helpful to you?
The score itself is a comment of sorts -- but forcing more isn't likely to be helpful. If they have more to say, they will.
David
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12/12/2005 12:05:53 AM · #3 |
I'm afraid you probably won't get a lot of responses to this. There are threads on this very topic usually started every couple of weeks or so. You could try searching the forums, there will be countless pages about this.
If you try to make something like that mandatory than a couple of things will happen, one, like David said-you'll just get comments like ".", "xxx", "sucks", "bad", "-" etc.
...or, people just slide their score up and 4 becomes the new 1, etc.
The votes really are not messed up. You have hundreds of votes from hundreds of different people with different standards, different tastes etc. Look at any photo in any challenge, almost all have a few low votes. Also, even low scoring photos usually have a handful of 8's, 9's and 10's. Usually no one complains about that (although there was once!) It all evens out. The great photos still rise to the top, the middle of the pack is still the middle of the pack, and the weak photos still settle to the bottom. |
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12/12/2005 12:07:31 AM · #4 |
There are people out there that always have to put someone else down. Maybe that makes them feel better about their crappy work. Look at all the winning pics on the front page. There are a lot of 1 and 2 votes there. Crazy I know.
If you have a half way decent picture most of your votes will reflect that. Most of the people here will truly try to help you. They will be the ones that leave comments with helpful tips.
Think about this, anywhere that someone can write a review, comment or vote, there is always going to be some idiot putting it down. |
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12/12/2005 12:12:09 AM · #5 |
| Dont worry too much about the scores. Just remember that it didnt appeal to only a handful of viewers. I like the image but is probably a little busy for some. Also the main subject (statue) needs to be level or if not an obvious tilt (approx 15 degrees seems to work). Just my 2 cents worth but hope it helps. |
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12/12/2005 12:38:56 AM · #6 |
| Left a comment on your shot :-) |
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12/12/2005 02:07:33 AM · #7 |
Forcing comments would eliminate anonymity. Folks would have to take "credit" for their appraisals.
--jr |
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12/12/2005 02:20:30 AM · #8 |
| without predjudice: Its to bright. Considering its a night shot your colors look washed out because of the brightness and the sky as well. Perhaps bringing down the brightness by bout -15 would have highlighted it better. I don't think it deserves a 1 - 3 tho. Night shots IMO should be a little on the dark side to give a more mysterious feeling to the photo. |
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12/12/2005 04:32:36 AM · #9 |
I guess this has become my "standard reply" to this question, but it is still valid.
Consider that the scores you receive are part of a statistical distribution. We expect that people's scoring will differ, so we expect that we will recieve a "normally distributed" set of scores. The more disagreement, the greater will be the "spread" of the scores. Almost all shots that score in the mid-ground, as yours did, will be expected to receive a few 1s and 2s, it's simple statistics. Same with 9s and 10s. We don't often see folks getting distressed over 9s and 10s though ;-)
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12/12/2005 04:35:56 AM · #10 |
You have cast 2000 votes, have a below 5 average, so you've obviously given out your share of 1, 2 and 3 and have given 29 comments.
"The problem lies in the fact that i only recieved 2 comments, both somewhat positive. i see it like this. If you give a person a REALLY low score (1,2, or 3), then you see something REALLY wrong with that picture, and you should explain to them why you rated them so low."
Get to it, and maybe we can follow your excellent lead. 29 comments, at least 6 of which you rated 7 or above, so 23 comments on lowly rated photos in 2000 votes ain't a real high percent...
Good luck and welcome to DPC. :)
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12/12/2005 05:07:53 AM · #11 |
| This was suggested most recently here and numerous other times further back. I would suggest reading those threads to get a sense of why your suggestion has not been implemented. |
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12/12/2005 06:08:46 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
You have cast 2000 votes, have a below 5 average, so you've obviously given out your share of 1, 2 and 3 and have given 29 comments.
"The problem lies in the fact that i only recieved 2 comments, both somewhat positive. i see it like this. If you give a person a REALLY low score (1,2, or 3), then you see something REALLY wrong with that picture, and you should explain to them why you rated them so low."
Get to it, and maybe we can follow your excellent lead. 29 comments, at least 6 of which you rated 7 or above, so 23 comments on lowly rated photos in 2000 votes ain't a real high percent...
Good luck and welcome to DPC. :) |
Mavrik, I think you misread his/her stats:
Votes Cast: 1996
Avg Vote Cast: 5.7851
It looks to me as if they have been a pretty fair voter. The sub-five stat was for vote received, not cast. |
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12/12/2005 06:10:32 AM · #13 |
Ahhh my bad...
4.9 or 5.7 are both 'fair voters' but still - if you give out 2000 votes and have less than 30 1, 2, 3s then you aren't really using the range of scores at all. If he's given more than that in 1, 2, or 3, where are the comments?
I did misread however...doin that a LOT lately. :(
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12/12/2005 07:44:34 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by Slyy:
I recieved (2) Ones, (2) Twos, and (10) Threes. |
Is that all??? Wow, your shot did pretty well then. :) |
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