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09/27/2005 12:46:13 PM · #1 |
I personally have a standard scale that applies from challenge to challenge, resulting in very few 10s or even 9s.
How do most people vote?
Do you use the scale internally withing each challenge, giving the best photos within that challenge 10s or do you judge each photo on its merit in a vacuum?
Or maybe you use another reasoning all together, I'm just curious. |
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09/27/2005 12:52:05 PM · #2 |
I have a mid point, a 5 vote. If something hits me, makes me laugh or stuns me into silence, I vote it between 5 and 8. Anything that makes me shake my head goes to a 4. Small submissions, less than 640 get an automatic 4/3 on a downward scale.
Then I go back a rejudge the higher scores, none get moved down, but some get moved up.
Steve
Message edited by author 2005-09-27 16:52:18. |
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09/27/2005 01:09:37 PM · #3 |
First I decide if a picture meets the challenge. If not it gets a 1,2,or 3.
If it meets the challenge I use the whole scale depnding on technical merit and composition. I do not judge like a contest where I choose the winner, but rate each photo on its own merits. I usually end up with 3 to 5 tens, but could have more. I guess I could have no tens, but I doubt that would happen!
For photos that meet the challenge, I first give a 4, 5, or 6 to sort (I occasionally give a 7 or 8 on a first look for the truly outstanding.) Then I go through each one again and adjust the scores. I try to never lower my original score but some of my 5's and 6's become 9's and 10's. If I have time I'll check the 6-10's one final time.
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09/27/2005 01:13:35 PM · #4 |
| When I vote I would use the whole scale. Sometimes up to 20 "10's" even. Pictures don't have to be absolutely perfect to get a high score from me. |
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09/27/2005 01:19:09 PM · #5 |
I know my photos aren't great but sometimes I get voted down from someone or several who may say I didn't meet the challenge. For example, the color portrait challenge - I got voted down from someone who said "Cute dog but this challenge was about portraits of people." I reread the challenge details (a couple of times) and darn if I couldn't find where it said it was a human challenge anywhere ...
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09/27/2005 01:20:29 PM · #6 |
I'm still new to the voting stuff (only voted in the Perspective & Bubbles-challenge).
All I do is start at the beginning and vote the first number that pops in my head. The first thing that's in my mind is the best, most of the time. |
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09/27/2005 01:34:44 PM · #7 |
FYI, you might also want to refer to an earlier conversation...
How do "you" vote |
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09/27/2005 01:53:24 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by woohoopepper:
I know my photos aren't great but sometimes I get voted down from someone or several who may say I didn't meet the challenge. For example, the color portrait challenge - I got voted down from someone who said "Cute dog but this challenge was about portraits of people." I reread the challenge details (a couple of times) and darn if I couldn't find where it said it was a human challenge anywhere ... |
I considered animal portraits as meeting the challenge, as well as group shots. I really wanted to see a face (human or animal), if the whole body was included that was fine as long as it looked like a deliberately posed shot. I did not consider "snapshots" to be portraits. |
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09/27/2005 01:59:50 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by macpapas:
FYI, you might also want to refer to an earlier conversation...
How do "you" vote |
Thanks, I looked for something like this but couldn't find it.
Thanks to everyone else for their answers. |
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09/27/2005 02:02:28 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by chaimelle:
I considered animal portraits as meeting the challenge, as well as group shots. I really wanted to see a face (human or animal), if the whole body was included that was fine as long as it looked like a deliberately posed shot. I did not consider "snapshots" to be portraits. |
I agree
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09/27/2005 02:03:01 PM · #11 |
first thing i do is go out and shoot my own idea of the exact cliche the challenge title brings to mind. I use that as my 5 calibration. To get above a five you have to be original or you have to kick ass.
My own pics, i try to be original, and usually my submission becomes a great "4" calibrator. ;-)
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10/09/2005 03:34:12 PM · #12 |
The way I vote is:
The photo is really good and fits the challenge 10
The photo is good and fits the challenge 9
The photo is really good but does not fit the challenge 8
The photo is good but does not fit the challenge 7
The photo is ok and fits the challenge 6
The photo is ok and does not fit the challenge 5
The photo is poor but fits the challenge 4
The photo is poor and does not fit the challenge 3
The photo is really poor and in no way fits the challenge 2
There is no photo 1
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10/09/2005 03:56:39 PM · #13 |
Even though I'm new here and haven't voted on a challenge, I need to ask polkop. Why would you rate a good photo that doesn't meet the challenge MUCH higher (8 vs 5) than an ok one that fits the challenge?
That would mean anyone can enter a real good photo just to get a high score and maybe get a ribbon, even if it doesn't meet the challenge. That's defeating the purpose of the contest.
Just my .01 worth (ain't worth .02 yet)
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10/09/2005 04:03:38 PM · #14 |
| I totally agree with MrEd. My best score for a "doesn't meet the challenge" is 3. Might be a great shot, but there's no point to having a specific challenge if any good shot can win. |
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10/09/2005 04:49:01 PM · #15 |
| Sorry I didnt explain too well on what meets the challenge means for me it means they are trying to meet the challenge but in my veiw didnt if it compleatly missed the challenge like a photo of a dog in a cat challenge i would of mark it alot lower |
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10/09/2005 04:54:04 PM · #16 |
| I do the first number that pops to my head and then go over the votes after words. |
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10/09/2005 04:57:07 PM · #17 |
I feel that all photos are 4-6 (based on average DPC scoring). So that is what I do. If the photo is unbelievable, it is a 7. It is a one in a million an 8.
If it sucks a 3. If it is a joke and offensive a 2.
But then again, most people have not ribboned, so generally speaking most photos submitted are below "par". But some are just wonderful.
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10/09/2005 05:06:53 PM · #18 |
There are two ways an entry can get a 10 from me.
The photograph is so good I can't help myself.
The photograph is so bad that the maker is obviously going for the Brown.
That's an automatic 10. |
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10/09/2005 05:12:41 PM · #19 |
I use the full scale 1-10. Vote once then review and usually raise the vote as I tend to think I vote low.
Not meeting the challenge or leaving me trying to figure out how it meets the challenge will drop the score - these usually max out at a 5 if it is otherwise a great image. I tend to be liberal as to what meets the challenge.
Technical problems lower the score - this includes small images where I have to strain to see what is there.
After that the score depends on composition and what I call the WOW factor - does it get me. I do want to see go photography not just a photo of a good gimmick.
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10/09/2005 05:23:09 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Delfeye:
I personally have a standard scale that applies from challenge to challenge, resulting in very few 10s or even 9s.
How do most people vote?
Do you use the scale internally withing each challenge, giving the best photos within that challenge 10s or do you judge each photo on its merit in a vacuum?
Or maybe you use another reasoning all together, I'm just curious. |
5 slightly below average.
6 slightly above average.
I then go through the 6's to bump up. |
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10/09/2005 05:23:22 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by woohoopepper:
I know my photos aren't great but sometimes I get voted down from someone or several who may say I didn't meet the challenge. For example, the color portrait challenge - I got voted down from someone who said "Cute dog but this challenge was about portraits of people." I reread the challenge details (a couple of times) and darn if I couldn't find where it said it was a human challenge anywhere ... |
I know the feeling, I did the same thing using my cat as subject, and had a similar comment. When checking definition of portrait , i found that some defs say, "of people" but others include pets etc. The main criteria I found was that a portrait is generally of a living, breathing
mammal. But I guess some people just make their own definition and dont want to consider anything else |
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10/09/2005 05:30:05 PM · #22 |
'Meeting the challenge' is open to each person's individual perception of a photo. That's individualism at it's best. Some are so obvious, you can't miss it with your eyes closed. But, some go about it in a 'round about way' and most people don't/won't/can't see it. How/where you grew up, beliefs, etc etc all factor into how you view a photo (life in general too).
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10/09/2005 05:34:46 PM · #23 |
I find it interesting that so many people do not use 10 or 9. Some have said they don't even use 8. I wonder what they are afraid of. Would you seriously never use 10? Maybe once a year? In most cases, voting a 5 is making your vote have almost no significance. If you think a pic is good, you have to vote strongly to make it have affect. Of course you would need to feel strongly to vote strongly.
This tells me that the person is voting on a different scale than what has been presented. If a picture actually stuns you into silence, what more does it actually need? Is it not effective? Sometimes things can be as good as they can get without being perfect.
I vote somewhat arbitrarily and I will allow emotional response to override my eye where the picture does that. If I feel strongly about a picture, I will vote it high even if it is technically lacking. After all, it's not only about technical issues. There are plenty of photos that are technically not quite perfect that have shaped the photographic world. I will sometimes give emotionally powerful images tens if I believe they - while not perfect - are technically sufficient and I can see nothing that could be improved to make the picture more effective. An example might be a picture of a tiny preemie baby that is in good focus, well lit, well composed, but has a tiny green cast from the overhead fluorescents and a little distracting blanket in the corner. If it hits home, those technical issues can be ignored and if it were used for another purpose, the pic could be further edited. That's what comments are for.
I have 2 grades of not meeting the challenge. A picture can either be completely unrelated, putting it in the 1-3 category based on it's appeal or somewhat unrelated. If it is somewhat unrelated, I will judge the photo based on it's own merit, but reduce the vote depending on how far I feel it was from the challenge def.
Since submitting my own pics, I have also started to consider the amount of time, effort and thought that likely took place in taking the picture. I do not count post-processing as serious effort in most cases. I try to consier the act of taking the photo in this regard.
I typically dish 3-8 10 votes, sometimes more, sometimes less. I typically hand out 0-3 1 votes, 2-15 2 votes and significantly more 3's and 4's. For reasonably decent pictures, I usually vote between 6-8. |
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10/09/2005 05:44:54 PM · #24 |
| I think that you must give 10's. This is not the olympics of Photography where a perfect score is mythical, this is a friendly competition amongst people who all share the joy of photography. To not congratulate a fellow member who has done well with a 10 is contrary to my idea of being a member of this community. In other words a 10 does not have to mean PERFECT. It has to mean EXTRAORDINARY, even VERY EXTRAORDINARY, but not perfect. On the other end of the spectrum, for me a 1 is reserved for something vulgar or tasteless or for some vision of unfocused light that bears no resemblance to anything. |
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10/09/2005 06:23:52 PM · #25 |
I try to give out 10s, particularly to those photos that are truly eye catching and thought provoking.
As a general rule though, I use 5 criteria points with a max of 2 pts per criteria. When a photo is off subject though no matter how good a photo, I will usually only award it a max of 1 point per criteria |
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