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05/14/2003 09:24:48 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by Fiver:
I find it amazing the amount of interest this challenge has created.
Maybe I'm just easily amazed... =o) |
heheh or easily amused - heheheh ... i know i am :)
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05/14/2003 09:26:37 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
I shouldn't be complaining i didn't think a relgious challenge was right here but geesh what an extreme instead of relgion we get lets promote violence week here at DPChallenge...time to go find the local street dealer in his black leather and sunglasses and see if he will let me photograph him before he murders me.... |
so, the Matrix is too violent, but Gone with the Wind or Saving Private Ryan isn't??? if you didn't like the movie, that's fine...but don't try to make those of us who did feel bad. your "violence" argument loses merit because of your other movie choices.
another thing...you also have made several parallels between violence and black leather/sunglasses. um...why? i sometimes wear black leather and i almost always wear sunglasses and, so far, i've never committed a violent act or chosen to become a "street dealer". perhaps you've heard the phrase "Never judge a book by it's cover."?
i am really psyched about this challenge! i can't wait to see how people photograph their interpretations. i have no idea what to shoot yet...lol...but, it's going to be fun thinking about!
anyway...just my opinion. |
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05/14/2003 09:45:13 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by sher9204:
so, the Matrix is too violent, but Gone with the Wind or Saving Private Ryan isn't??? if you didn't like the movie, that's fine...but don't try to make those of us who did feel bad. your "violence" argument loses merit because of your other movie choices.
another thing...you also have made several parallels between violence and black leather/sunglasses. um...why?
anyway...just my opinion. |
For starters Gone With the Wind was just as big if not bigger hit than the matrix, but didn't gross the same amount of money due to the prices of the average movie when it was released in 1939. As for Saving Private Ryan, I chose that as a comment on the amount of violence, more people can relate to Saving Private Ryan than they can the matrix.
As for the black leather and sunglasses...It is the first thing thought of for the movie the matrix simply because of the way the movie was billed even the video and dvd portray the violence on the cover with Keanu Reeves in black leather pants and duster, black tee shirt and sunglasses...now if violence isn't portrayed on the cover of the video and dvd what is that he is holding in his right hand? As a matter of fact if you looks at all 4 cast members on the cover each of them is toting a gun...yeap absolutely no violence in that film now is there? |
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05/14/2003 09:46:29 AM · #79 |
| I don't think that rules should be suspended. That's the challenge... |
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05/14/2003 09:48:27 AM · #80 |
Interesting... some support religion and think we should be open to that but not violence... sounds like talking out of both sides of the head to me... Most of the most terrible violence in the world is because of religions... imagine that...
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05/14/2003 09:52:48 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by bamaster:
Originally posted by Fiver:
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
I shouldn't be complaining i didn't think a relgious challenge was right here but geesh what an extreme instead of relgion we get lets promote violence week here at DPChallenge...time to go find the local street dealer in his black leather and sunglasses and see if he will let me photograph him before he murders me.... |
Anna,
The bottom line of the Matrix is not Violence, even though it has a lot of action. It has a mind expanding stroyline. Awsome imagery, and great creative potential here for us Photographers to see our world differently. I think you'll be surprized at the lack of 'violent' photo's taken. |
Even if it were about violence, I think it's a refreshing break from the extremely boring fluffy photos of late. Not everyone cares to do flower macros. It's a disappointing that everyone is so politically correct sensitive. What happened to risk taking? What happened to seeing things in a different light? Why is it so frowned upon to step outside of your litter box and into the world for a photo? Why is it mandatory that 100% of the site members agree with the challenge? When will the voices in my head stop yelling at me? |
Because we are wanting to win!! ;-)
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05/14/2003 09:54:44 AM · #82 |
It's silly to discuss the validity of this challenge. Or even how good it is. I got a quarter that says the challenge isn't going to change. It's there people! Deal with it! Actually, almost everyone here likes the idea... almost.
What's that prayer? Help me not trip out over things I cannot change...? Something like that. Some people like to discuss the things that are futile, I suppose.
Hey let's talk about if the September 11 attacks were a good idea. I mean, some people think it was good for America... kinda like a reality check on our world powerness.
*runs and hides*
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05/14/2003 09:58:26 AM · #83 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Interesting... some support religion and think we should be open to that but not violence... sounds like talking out of both sides of the head to me... Most of the most terrible violence in the world is because of religions... imagine that... |
If you look on the previous thread about religion I wasn't in support of that challenge either thought it would cause to many indifferences. But geeeeessssshhhhhh if I had to pick the matrix or religion I would rather deal with the diversification of the different religions than promote more violence. |
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05/14/2003 09:59:19 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
... more people can relate to Saving Private Ryan than they can the matrix.
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You are just the queen of blanket statements, aren't you? How can you support this statement?
Originally posted by bamaster:
Help me not trip out over things I cannot change...? |
LOL
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05/14/2003 10:05:18 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
Originally posted by sher9204:
so, the Matrix is too violent, but Gone with the Wind or Saving Private Ryan isn't??? if you didn't like the movie, that's fine...but don't try to make those of us who did feel bad. your "violence" argument loses merit because of your other movie choices.
another thing...you also have made several parallels between violence and black leather/sunglasses. um...why?
anyway...just my opinion. |
For starters Gone With the Wind was just as big if not bigger hit than the matrix, but didn't gross the same amount of money due to the prices of the average movie when it was released in 1939. As for Saving Private Ryan, I chose that as a comment on the amount of violence, more people can relate to Saving Private Ryan than they can the matrix.
As for the black leather and sunglasses...It is the first thing thought of for the movie the matrix simply because of the way the movie was billed even the video and dvd portray the violence on the cover with Keanu Reeves in black leather pants and duster, black tee shirt and sunglasses...now if violence isn't portrayed on the cover of the video and dvd what is that he is holding in his right hand? As a matter of fact if you looks at all 4 cast members on the cover each of them is toting a gun...yeap absolutely no violence in that film now is there? |
if you re-read my post, you will see that i never said that there was no violence in the Matrix. i thought i was clearly stating that there is also a LOT of violence in your other movie choices...Gone with the Wind and Saving Private Ryan. thus, your argument that we shouldn't have The Matrix as a challenge because of the violence is made moot. |
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05/14/2003 10:06:00 AM · #86 |
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
... more people can relate to Saving Private Ryan than they can the matrix.
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You are just the queen of blanket statements, aren't you? How can you support this statement?
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Most people can relate first of all to Private Ryan because of the struggle to survive, then going into the sterotypes, more men identify with Private Ryan beacuse of the issues of war and the games even played as little boys...Most women can relate to the story line of a mother's desire to save her last living child by getting him out of the frontline. Yes, Saving Private Ryan was a more graphically detailed violence but it was actually based on something that really happened...it wasn't promoting more violence in the world, it was recreating history. |
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05/14/2003 10:20:02 AM · #87 |
for everyone who has seen, hasn't seen, understands or not, here is an very interesting article on the matrix that might give some fun ideas for photos, and how open this challenge will be for creativity (hence my comment at the top of this thread).
Message edited by author 2003-05-14 14:21:02. |
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05/14/2003 10:23:59 AM · #88 |
Yes, Saving Private Ryan was a more graphically detailed violence but it was actually based on something that really happened...it wasn't promoting more violence in the world, it was recreating history.
Well, I couldn't even watch the whole of Private Ryan because it was too violent. OK, that's the truth about war. In the Matrix, the voilence was partially a means to show that this world wasn't real (due to the laws of physics being broken). The Matrix wasn't necessarily promoting violence -- it's all in how you perceive the scenes.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to this as the most exciting challenge yet! |
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05/14/2003 10:26:16 AM · #89 |
what a weird argument, hopefully this will spur some great ideas
Message edited by author 2003-05-14 14:31:33. |
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05/14/2003 10:30:04 AM · #90 |
I wish we could have done "Deepthroat" instead of the matrix... i bet everyone really does know what that one is all about...
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05/14/2003 10:33:30 AM · #91 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I wish we could have done "Deepthroat" instead of the matrix... i bet everyone really does know what that one is all about... |
LOL if they are over 12 I'm sure they know....I honestly have never seen it but I have heard all about that movie! |
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05/14/2003 10:35:58 AM · #92 |
Originally posted by indigo997:
Considering how strict voters are on meeting the challenge, how on earth will ppl vote when they haven't seen the movie? I'd like to think that those folks just won't vote or that everyone will be really open about meeting the challenge, but I know that's just wishful thinking around here. |
I didn't like the movie (no problem with the SF, violence etc, just boring), so I am going to give everyone a 1. :)
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05/14/2003 10:38:11 AM · #93 |
Originally posted by PHOTOCHlX:
Might I suggest since we have now been brought down to the level of our views of a single movie lets have a challenge based on Kevin Costner or Tom Hanks
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Clint Eastwood
Miami Vice
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05/14/2003 10:38:18 AM · #94 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Originally posted by indigo997:
Considering how strict voters are on meeting the challenge, how on earth will ppl vote when they haven't seen the movie? I'd like to think that those folks just won't vote or that everyone will be really open about meeting the challenge, but I know that's just wishful thinking around here. |
I didn't like the movie (no problem with the SF, violence etc, just boring), so I am going to give everyone a 1. :) |
Az! you naughty boy! are you wearing black leather and sunglasses right now??? :P |
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05/14/2003 10:39:21 AM · #95 |
Black leather and sunglasses in Holland? Hmmm, bad idea. :)
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05/14/2003 10:54:58 AM · #96 |
Originally posted by n0c0ntr0L:
"I think, therefore I am". - Descartes |
i think i think, therfore i think i am
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05/14/2003 11:01:14 AM · #97 |
Count me in as one who's incredibly excited about this challenge... I've got a great idea and hope to beat my highest score ever (not to mention my 'secondary colors' entry, which is currently my *lowest* score ever ).
And my idea has nothing whatsoever to do with violence. In fact, I can think of so many incredibly good ideas for this challenge... It's all about being creative! |
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05/14/2003 11:09:51 AM · #98 |
Originally posted by spiderman:
Originally posted by n0c0ntr0L:
"I think, therefore I am". - Descartes |
i think i think, therfore i think i am |
"I think .. therefore I get a headache"
hehhehe
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05/14/2003 11:36:46 AM · #99 |
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
Originally posted by sher9204:
so, the Matrix is too violent, but Gone with the Wind or Saving Private Ryan isn't??? if you didn't like the movie, that's fine...but don't try to make those of us who did feel bad. your "violence" argument loses merit because of your other movie choices.
another thing...you also have made several parallels between violence and black leather/sunglasses. um...why?
anyway...just my opinion. |
For starters Gone With the Wind was just as big if not bigger hit than the matrix, but didn't gross the same amount of money due to the prices of the average movie when it was released in 1939. As for Saving Private Ryan, I chose that as a comment on the amount of violence, more people can relate to Saving Private Ryan than they can the matrix.
As for the black leather and sunglasses...It is the first thing thought of for the movie the matrix simply because of the way the movie was billed even the video and dvd portray the violence on the cover with Keanu Reeves in black leather pants and duster, black tee shirt and sunglasses...now if violence isn't portrayed on the cover of the video and dvd what is that he is holding in his right hand? As a matter of fact if you looks at all 4 cast members on the cover each of them is toting a gun...yeap absolutely no violence in that film now is there? |
I'm confused - for a film you've said you haven't actually watched properly and nobody in your family has watched to the end, you seem to have an awfully good idea exactly what you think it was about ? |
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05/14/2003 11:51:14 AM · #100 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
the funny thing about mass-market science fiction/fantasy is that it lacks the depth, breadth, originality, innovation, or intelligence of the best science fiction. the best science fiction explores themes that great literature does, with the added bonus of innovative technical or imaginative elements.
the matrix and harry potter, just to name a couple examples, both fit into the former category: recycled, simplistic, rehashed cliche of MUCH better stuff that's come before.
that said, the matrix was a lot of fun as a movie because it was VISUALLY very well done, and it had a great soundtrack.
if you shoot something relating to computer technology, alienation, or leather fetish clothing, it should it :) |
well said. I'm an avid sci-fi/fantasy reader and writer as I find it amusing that movies like the matrix get so much credit for their "ideas." However, I feel that the success both The Matrix and Harry Potter are receiving is good for writers in the speculative genres. It exposes people to these ideas and most likely they enjoy it and want more so it becomes easier for new writers (and old) to market their material to film. Take Tolkein's lord of the rings, for example. It took that sooo long to come out. They waited until they knew they would get a mass audience. The other reason they waited, which also interests me because I am a graphic designer, film maker, and editer, is that it was impossible to make such movies a few years ago. If you look at old sci-fi fantasty movies it's very clear. I can see how some people, for whatever reasons, wouldn't endorse movies like the matrix, but it was a breakthrough in the field of visual effects and basically set the current standards and proved that anything can and will be made. People should at least see the movie for that reason. Also, most other movies are more violent. How can you just watch romantice comedies with the same plot over and over? The Matrix isn't really that violent or disturbing at all. I think people would be a lot more upset with an American Psycho, Fear and Loathing, or Clockwork Orange challenge. As for Gone with The Wind...hmm. someone thinks that is more popular than The Matrix. You must be kidding, get with it. This reminds me of the old saying that the book is always better than the movie. I would say that this is not true anymore, because movies can now show everything the books shows and more (only for certain types of movies of course). People forget that a picture is worth a thousand words. The pictures in the matrix are stunning. If people on this site are interested in stunning visuals (as they should be if they hope to become better photographers) then they need to see the movie. It is much better in that area than Gone with the Wind.
For those that are looking for a wonderful movie that is equally if not more visually stunning and contains no violence, people, or plots, check out Winged Migration, a french documentary on migrating birds. I just saw it over the weekend (it's curently playing only in independent arts theaters around here) and it was one of the best works of art I have ever seen and I am sure it has set a new standard for nature documentary videos.
Oh, yeah, after that rant. I think the matrix is a great topic and we will see tons of amazing and interesting photos next week. forget about the cliche plot and bad acting and go with some of the visual or philosophical aspects. They should be things you're interested in already.
and Setz. what you said about religion and violence was right on! I totally agree and it needs to be said more often. Some people forget, never realized, or deny that the connection exists.
sorry for the long post.
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