doesnt meet the requirements?! - DPChallenge Forums

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

01/05/2005 02:03:47 PM · #1

what is wrong with people these days? instead of suggesting that a picture does not meet the requirements of a contest, they're giving the pictures ratings of 1 or 2. if a pic doesnt meet the requirements or you think something illegal has been done, suggest that to the ops (?? sorry, im new here...) i dont think anyone who has done something a bit more subtle to meet the requirements deserves to get a 1 because some other person can't see it.

please see Weinhardt Orange Cream Soda -- When things just aren't quite right. by Patella, which was given 1's because people thought it did not meet the requirements for the "Upside Down" challenge.

and if you think it's too subtle, do you also think it deserves a 1? sure, go with a 3-5 if its also a good pic, but not a 1

and if you really think it really doesnt meet the requirements, shouldnt you make sure by asking someone that "got it?" (or the photographer) before giving it a 1?
...there are also early comments on contested submissions, EXPLAINING the way the rules are followed in it

READ, people, READ

i'd really like replies from more experienced photographers and possibly people in the critique club about this...it's really not fair to the photographer to get 1's because people didnt get it...or thought it was too subtle

GinaRothfels

Olympus 8mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital ED Fisheye PRO Lens

01/05/2005 02:11:51 PM · #2

Voting here is anonymous and comments can only be seen after the results are announced, so what you are suggesting isn't possible. And there is nothing illegal about not meeting the challenge. The only way to penalise an unsuitable entry (and you will find quite a few in the archives) is to give a low score.

Welcome to dpc - hope you enjoy it here and good luck in the challenges.

nicklevy

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

01/05/2005 02:34:30 PM · #3

Originally posted by george917:

if a pic doesnt meet the requirements or you think something illegal has been done, suggest that to the ops...

...READ, people, READ

"Bad reasons for raising a DQ request - these requests will most likely be ignored:

- The photo doesn't appear to meet the challenge topic.
- The photo contains content that isn't "appropriate for minors" or the like (except graphic nudity and blatant drug/alcohol encouragement / abuse)."

This is an excerpt fromthis thread

Besides, every people on this site have their own way to vote and nobody should judge it.

Message edited by author 2005-01-05 19:34:47.

Arcanist

Nikon D810

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

01/05/2005 02:50:03 PM · #4

Originally posted by george917:

i dont think anyone who has done something a bit more subtle to meet the requirements deserves to get a 1 because some other person can't see it.

Ah, but here is the quandry. Good photography can excel in technical expertise, in art, and in communication. The New York Institute for Photography offers these simple rules for great photography:

Step 1. Know your subject .
Step 2. Focus attention on your subject.
Step 3. Simplify .

When a viewer misses the point of the subject, then the artist has failed to reach that viewer on the level of communication. While it may be obvious to some what the artist intended, those who cannot immediately fathom the message are doomed to saying 'I don't get it.'

When I reach the point of saying I don't get it for a challenge, there is an unfortunate and harsh adjustment to the scores for that image. If it does not communicate the challenge to me at any level, and is a particularly poor image it will recieve a one. If there are reedeeming technical points to the photo, it will climb and if it is a incredible shot, but has no reedeeming and simple link to the challenge the best it can hope for from me might be somewhere in the 4 to 6 range, but most likely a 4.

loz1

Canon EOS-450D Rebel XSi

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

01/05/2005 02:54:21 PM · #5

Its not about asking other people who get the photo, because we voted based on how we see an image.

I can tell you there are a lot of enteries in here that deserve ones. May only really be a few per challenge, but there is always soom.

At teh end of the day most photos get a few ones and two, but the extreme high and low votes are generally taken off an image at the end either.

cbeller

Nikon D300

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 16-85 f/3.5-5.6G ED VR

01/05/2005 03:08:41 PM · #6

Originally posted by george917:

If it isn't a very good photo and it doesn't meet the challenge, yep, I'll give it a 1.

Since you're new and possibly read the rules for the challenges, here is the first paragraph from the voting section.

Challenge Voting
Each challenge will state its dates for voting. Users should rate each and every photograph in the challenge on a scale of 1 to 10 (with "1" being a "bad" photo and a "10" being a "good" photo). At the end of the week, the photograph holding the greatest average of votes will be declared the winner of that challenge. Second and third place photographs will also be recognized. While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly.

You might want to read around and get an understanding of how the site operates. :)

Welcome to DPC.

01/05/2005 03:14:57 PM · #7

sorry bout the comment part...i just realized you cant read comments when you vote...but instead of saying "i dont get it...ill rate it a 1" can you look a bit more? im sure a lot of comments on the "where's waldo ii" will be "its too subtle!" or "i can't see it!"...and a lot of them are right...lowering the resolution, sometimes the person just blends into the background

...but when its something like the "Upside-down" challenge, people assumed it was a week late (im sure the photographer isnt careless enough to do something like that) or that it was a joke saying something about the brand of soda

if you wanna spot the "upside-down" part of that photo, dont just assume its not there and give it a 1...look for it, and if you see it and its way too subtle, give a low score...but i dont think that image (as awesome as it is) deserves as many 1s as it got

btw it got 22 votes of 1, and 4 votes of 10...

as long as the challenges have requirements, 99.9% of photographers know what theyre doing and will make their submission fit the challenge

im sure there are plenty of people who saw the upside-down part in that particular image...their votes didnt count as much, though, because certain people couldnt find it and dropped its score to an avg of 4.456

karmat's comment on that pic was:
Tricky, tricky, tricky. Nice job, unfortunately, I'm afraid a lot of people won't take the time to look closely at it and see that it is "upside down," or appears to be. Nice color contrast and set-up.

it's really a shame...people jump to conclusions too quickly

PS: maybe im just bein an ___hole and im flaming...maybe i avoid giving low scores and im completely wrong about this...but that would make a lot of other people wrong too

PPS: please look at the link...don't you get it after looking at it for a lil bit? (and without looking at the "how'd they do that?")

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

01/05/2005 03:19:20 PM · #8

Originally posted by cbeller:

While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly.

does that excuse the people that dont look at the picture well enough? it took a bit to see, but im afraid people just immediately voted 1

im not saying people should change the way they vote...just sayin they should take their time and look at it...i would have probably rated that pic a 6 if i were here when it was submitted

loz1

Canon EOS-450D Rebel XSi

01/05/2005 03:24:58 PM · #9

But people vote how they see an image. If its not necessarily obvious to someone that it meets the challenge than they will be voted down. We don't have an huor to look at every image. Most people will spend 5 seconds on an image.

I didn't vote on the above image, but too me I wouldnt have even noticed that it was upside down. Perhaps if their was less liquard in the bottle I may have. Even the drip of soda on the straw doesnt say much, because coke will do that, the right way up, due to the gas.

Sure she had an image that probably deserved to do better, but its just a photo. I am sure she is still really proud of her photo and she has a right to be. Thats really all one can take a way from an image.

If someone hates a photo, so be it.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 16-85 f/3.5-5.6G ED VR

01/05/2005 03:34:28 PM · #10

im not the vote-on-everything-in-a-challenge type i guess...

cbeller

Nikon D300

01/05/2005 04:28:57 PM · #11

Originally posted by george917:

Originally posted by cbeller:
While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly.

does that excuse the people that dont look at the picture well enough? it took a bit to see, but im afraid people just immediately voted 1

I have no doubt that is what happened. You'll notice after being here at DPC for while that if an image is not a blindingly obvious literal representation of the challenge topic, it will (normally) get voted down. Is that right? No, but that's DPC.

For the most part, if you think "outside of the box" here, someone will whack you over the head with it (the box).

You can search the forums and find numerous other posts talking about the same thing.

TechnoShroom

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

01/05/2005 04:52:56 PM · #12

Originally posted by cbeller:

For the most part, if you think "outside of the box" here, someone will whack you over the head with it (the box).

And for the most part people use "thinking outside of the box" as justification for not following the rules. Challenge - take a picture of a dog. Ok, I'll think outside the box and submit a photo of a cat. Challenge - take a photo of anything but a dog. Ok, I'll think outside the box and submit a photo of Fido. This is then followed by threads of why didn't photo X do better and all you voters are trolls or just plain ignorant for not seeing the truly revolutionary and significant thought process behind photo X that makes it pure genius.

cbeller

Nikon D300

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 16-85 f/3.5-5.6G ED VR

01/05/2005 05:07:30 PM · #13

No, that would be and example of someone ignoring the challenge topic. There's a distinct difference between "thinking outside the box" and ignoring the challenge topic.

Edit: Ah, but I don't disagree that those people claim to be "thinking outside the box". :)

Message edited by author 2005-01-05 22:08:51.