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12/16/2004 07:45:17 AM · #1 |
Due to an invalid EXIF datestamp, the 33rd place entry has been disqualified. Again, please remember to check your camera datestamps are correct!!
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12/16/2004 10:00:42 AM · #2 |
I surge from 159th to 158th place:)
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12/16/2004 10:04:42 AM · #3 |
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12/16/2004 03:41:54 PM · #4 |
| The first place photo in this challenge was taken outside the challenge dates and has been DQed. |
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12/16/2004 03:44:18 PM · #5 |
| I moved up to 8th position :D |
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12/16/2004 03:45:39 PM · #6 |
It's almost alarming how often that happens when a blue ribbon photo is a first submission for a user.
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12/16/2004 03:47:59 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
It's almost alarming how often that happens when a blue ribbon photo is a first submission for a user. |
Maybe we need one of those rules quizzes like some of the stock photo sites have. |
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12/16/2004 03:48:21 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
It's almost alarming how often that happens when a blue ribbon photo is a first submission for a user. |
Yep, I agree. Like this one in Backlighting:
The only ever challenge entry by the photographer and a blue. I just don't get it why there aren't any more. Do they quit?
Message edited by author 2004-12-16 20:53:07.
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12/16/2004 03:51:01 PM · #9 |
| maybe they are waiting for the next challenge they can will... nothing like having a 100% record, right? |
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12/16/2004 03:58:16 PM · #10 |
| i have mixed emotions about what i'm about to suggest, mainly because i can see both sides of the arguement, but what if the dq'd images were put in some type of quarantine where all the comments wouldn't be lost? i mean, when those images go bye-bye, everybody loses... |
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12/16/2004 04:00:57 PM · #11 |
I am often fond of saying the following phrase..."Lesson learned..."
While my images are nowhere near the quality of some of the others on this site (although I am yet to resign myself to mediocrity)...I do have some observations to make...
The top 10% of the images of a given challenge, from some very talented people, take skillful eyes and time to set up, to frame, to compose, to expose and to ultimately post-shot edit the image for final submission and critical reviews from our peers.
To get your toe stubbed on the simplest of things such as making sure your date is correct on your camera seems to me to be the silliest of errors. It is no doubt a slap-me-on-the-back-of-the-head error that cost someone--and from what I have read--a few photographers.
Lesson learned...no detail is too small to check twice.
Just my 2 cents!
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12/16/2004 04:02:03 PM · #12 |
I wasn't going to say anything but I am not surprised in the least. I'm sure most of us could pull an image out of our archives and shoehorn it into a challenge and come close to medalling every week. I had my suspicions about that one. It really didn't look right for the time of the year, southern hemisphere notwithstanding. I do agree with Skiprow, they should be placed in a gallery somewhere, they're still great photos.
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
It's almost alarming how often that happens when a blue ribbon photo is a first submission for a user. |
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12/16/2004 04:06:06 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by hardwaybets:
The top 10% of the images of a given challenge, from some very talented people, take skillful eyes and time to set up, to frame, to compose, to expose and to ultimately post-shot edit the image for final submission and critical reviews from our peers.
To get your toe stubbed on the simplest of things such as making sure your date is correct on your camera seems to me to be the silliest of errors. It is no doubt a slap-me-on-the-back-of-the-head error that cost someone--and from what I have read--a few photographers.
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Yeah, but also keep in mind that someone could see "Yellow Revisited" and say "hey, I took this outstanding horse picture a few years ago, I wonder if I have that?" and dig it up and submit it, thus undermining the efforts of those photographers who actually take the "challenge" spirit of the sight to heart. In my opinion (and I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just using your quote as something to segue off of) these shots that are taken outside of the challenge dates should be purged from the site entirely, and those who set the dates wrong offered no sanctuary. |
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12/16/2004 04:09:13 PM · #14 |
| Congrats to the new third place such a clever little image and congrats also for the upgrade on the other ribbons. |
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12/16/2004 04:19:26 PM · #15 |
James...I have another little saying I heard in a movie once that struck a cord in me and it goes..."I trust everyone. It's the little devil in 'em I don't trust".
My point...and I think you understood it...was that some photographers get bumped off for a very silly issue of not having double checked their date in the camera. The presumption I make is that they in fact did take the image during the challenge period but got tripped up on a dumb error...
And so my lesson learned (as for me) is double check the date. The rule is there to keep the "little devil" in check.
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12/16/2004 04:29:23 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by hardwaybets:
James...I have another little saying I heard in a movie once that struck a cord in me and it goes..."I trust everyone. It's the little devil in 'em I don't trust".
My point...and I think you understood it...was that some photographers get bumped off for a very silly issue of not having double checked their date in the camera. The presumption I make is that they in fact did take the image during the challenge period but got tripped up on a dumb error...
And so my lesson learned (as for me) is double check the date. The rule is there to keep the "little devil" in check. |
I understand what you're saying completely, I was just using what you said to platform into my little rant, heh.
I give the submitter the benefit of the doubt, but if they cheated just to get a little graphic on their profile, then I hold no pity for them. |
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12/16/2004 04:47:17 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
I wasn't going to say anything but I am not surprised in the least. I'm sure most of us could pull an image out of our archives and shoehorn it into a challenge and come close to medalling every week. I had my suspicions about that one. It really didn't look right for the time of the year, southern hemisphere notwithstanding. I do agree with Skiprow, they should be placed in a gallery somewhere, they're still great photos.
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
It's almost alarming how often that happens when a blue ribbon photo is a first submission for a user. |
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both of you: my feelings exacly. I was actually surprised that s/he wasn't DQ earlier. How many ppl have got a ribbon on their first entry? (excluding the first 15 challenges)
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12/16/2004 04:48:32 PM · #18 |
James...I couldn't agree with you more!
If a participant can't (or won't) respect what I believe to be a level playing field by cheating, then the consequences should be severe.
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12/16/2004 04:52:16 PM · #19 |
actually what impresses me most with the top 50 (my 30th place excluded) is how professional all of them look, esp top 20. I almost feel like browsing some stock photo agency. Very good.
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12/16/2004 04:52:53 PM · #20 |
Gauti, I can't agree with the suggestion I am understanding from your post that a "first-timer" can't hit a ball out of the park on the very first submission ever made for a challenge. I don't find that to be suspect at all.
If it is a fair submission (and that's the key) and our critical eyes believe it to be the best image for the challenge then that person should get the recognition deserved...
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12/16/2004 04:55:45 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
I wasn't going to say anything but I am not surprised in the least. I'm sure most of us could pull an image out of our archives and shoehorn it into a challenge and come close to medalling every week. I had my suspicions about that one. It really didn't look right for the time of the year, southern hemisphere notwithstanding. I do agree with Skiprow, they should be placed in a gallery somewhere, they're still great photos.
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Well, I wasn't going to say it either, but since someone else did, I might as well. I too had a sneaking suspicion that the horse picture would not be on the front page very long. I can't tell you exactly why I had this feeling, I just did. I only hope it was an honest mistake by the photographer, as xtabintun suggests.
I'm curious about a couple of things though:
1) How many others had a suspicion about that photograph?
2) Can a photographer place a disqualified photo on DPCPrints? And if so, would anyone buy it? It was a spectacular photo that had the potential of generating some sales. And no, it wasn't me in disguise. I'm just curious
Thanks,
Mark
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12/16/2004 05:13:09 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by hardwaybets:
Gauti, I can't agree with the suggestion I am understanding from your post that a "first-timer" can't hit a ball out of the park on the very first submission ever made for a challenge. I don't find that to be suspect at all.
If it is a fair submission (and that's the key) and our critical eyes believe it to be the best image for the challenge then that person should get the recognition deserved... |
Of course, you could wait until you have the perfect shot and enter then, and only then, enter a DPC contest. But what I was trying to convey (imperfectly) is that I felt that this shot was just too perfect to be realistic. I know that there are a lot of very good photog's here (myself NOT included) that would be able to get a shot like that with a few days notice. But when a newbie comes rushing in with a 110% shot like that I'm (naturally) a bit suspicious. I seem to remember the same thing happening last (or next to last) week with a ribbon as well.
Don't misunderstand me: I liked the running horses against the rising sun alot, this was/is a good photo and deserving a ribbon. BUT it was not done within the challenge timeframe (or the photog slipped on the glass on the way to do his/hers EXIF times) and so DQ. I've been DQ'ed (for Macro IV) and asked for proof (=validated, in another challenge) so I know roughly how the DQ process works. You're presumed innocent (for 48hrs) and if you can't come up with evidence in that timeframe DQ'ed (and I have a feeling there is a quite some leeway if you're innocent but don't find the proof in time). BUT if you send in a RAW/original-file that "proofs" that your dates are wrong, then it's bye bye. (and justifiably so).
@hardwaybets: again - if the tried and tested and multi-ribboned ppl here can't do it and a newcomer (out of the blue) suddenly comes with the perfect photo..... - sorry, I'm probably just too world-weary.
On a different track, my first entry did well 5.56/60% and then I went down, now I'm on the way up. (but my avg is still lower than my first score).
I don't rule out the chance of a newcomer just finding this site and having in the right timeframe a perfect photo. I just don't find it likely.
It has probably something to do with the "wibe" on the forums lately, my mental (lack of) health, alien infuences, me slipping on some glass lately, and other factors.
in a nutshell: first touch goal is not likely, but neither impossible. but what are the odds?
EDIT: I don't know what it was that made me feel this way, but obviously some other ppl did as well. See the post by Mark of SRQ above.
Message edited by author 2004-12-16 22:18:09.
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12/16/2004 05:21:22 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Mark of SRQ:
2) Can a photographer place a disqualified photo on DPCPrints? And if so, would anyone buy it? It was a spectacular photo that had the potential of generating some sales. And no, it wasn't me in disguise. I'm just curious
Thanks,
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The rules for photos on DPC Prints are different from competitions - they don't have time limits. You can sell a 10-year-old photo on DPC Prints, and if it's a great photo people will buy it. Not allowing DQ'd photos on DPC Prints could be a fitting penalty for entering the picture in a challenge. Then people would just post the out-of-date photo in their gallery and DPC Print Store, but not in a contest if they want recognition.
DAve |
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12/16/2004 05:52:00 PM · #24 |
| Hi - new guy here... I download my photos from camera to my Mac into iPhoto. Whilst the app records the date of transfer to the computer - this is not the date the camera took the shot. Once downloaded, I zap the memory card in the camera - thus no data record remains. If asked, how do I prove when the shot was taken? ie were can the meta data be shown? Thanks for your help. Graham |
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12/16/2004 05:55:00 PM · #25 |
| The original file downloaded from your D70 will retain the date and other info in the EXIF data that's part of the file itself. Make sure you don't alter the original file (work on a copy) because that is your only proof for validation. |
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