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09/01/2002 04:11:26 PM · #26 |
| DPChallenge ruined it for me for a while, too. I'm slowly coming back, but not too seriously. |
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09/01/2002 05:57:29 PM · #27 |
I find more often than not around here the top scores go to people with interesting concepts, whether they're necessarily technically perfect or not. I've seen many very well executed photos that just dont appeal to the masses as they do to the photographer and therefore get scored lower. I've had personal experience with this. I submitted a picture I was **VERY** pleased with only to find that other people didn't see the creativity and the artistic value of my image the way I saw it. Also annoyed me that people were obviously LOOKING for flaws so they could nitpick them in comments.
Bottom line is had I submitted the picture to my professor for a challenge marked "pencil" I would have likely gotten a high grade because it was creative and reasonably well executed, whether he saw its beauty the way I saw it or not.
I think I'm just bitter. |
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09/01/2002 06:07:57 PM · #28 |
Oh and one more thing, if someone comments on my image for the Candid challenge and says there's too much dead space around my subject I'm gonna scream.
NOTE: It's bad to crowd the edges of your image. Some space around your subject is GOOD... not BAD. mmm kay? |
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09/01/2002 08:02:03 PM · #29 |
BigSmiles,
You ARE sounding especially bitter. I really liked Total Addiction. Take what you can use from the comments, disregard the rest. Not everyone here is qualified to be a photography professor, which requires not only great technical knowledge, but great tact as well.
2 cents,
Dawn |
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09/01/2002 09:19:22 PM · #30 |
Dude/Dudette:
This is the internet. you can't expect people to vote on someone's photo because most of them don't know what they're talking about :) Seriously. I value someone's vote when they themselves can create a great photograph, one that doesn't show objects, one that convey FEELINGS, emotions, etc. That's what separates photographs by Ansel Adams, Galen Rowell, from the normal vacation photos :) I'd only submit something to DPChallenge only if the topic interets me, and I got something to offer. I dont' care about the results, they are really superficial and aren't really meaningful. What IS meaningful, is if you know someone on here whose WORK you respect (i look at their posted website more than their submission) and if they put some comment down for you ,then i'd read it. Otherwise, someone who wrote "Bad idea" or "this is stupid", well, maybe for them it is stupid but for people who know better, it may not be. Don't stop improving on your photography simply because of "ratings". Now, if there are obvious technical issues (Exposure, composition) then you have your work cut out for you and no one can claim they have good compositions all the time anyway.
Originally posted by mci:
DPChallenge, or the web in general, has ruined my photography. I no longer see anything through my lens except challenge topics, scores, thumbs up/down, and comments.
Help. Please. My scores are sliding down into oblivion.
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09/01/2002 09:26:42 PM · #31 |
Unfortunately, most people dont' understand music or Beethoven. But that's ok -- because arts in general requires a gift to know. I have played violin since I was 6 (well, until I get out of grad school) and I was always surprised when people tell me they don't understand music. one guy at work said "How can you tell if there are feelings in music?" and I am always flabbergasted when i hear that, and I can't ever give a good answer. There are a lot of people out there who don't and who vote on the photographs.
if you want to learn something, take a photography course, take a workshop (too bad Galen Rowell died... :((((), view professional photographs of topics of your interest and understand WHY the photo is good. Sometimes, a photograph is balanced (as most are during the 1940's, Ansel Adams, etc.) but sometimes, a photograph is NOT balanced in terms of composition.
Also, it's interesting to note THIS: You will never find a CHILD PRODIGY in photography, compared to music, ballet, etc. Music, ballet requires talent + hard work, but i believe anyone can take good photos if they view the world in a different way and if they understand the craft. That's always reassuring to me :)
Originally posted by GordonMcGregor:
Originally posted by Journey:
[i]Originally posted by goodtimecharlee:
[i]photography is an art and as a viewer i think it requires some kind of self education of the process so as to appreciate what went into making an image. i dont put much into the "i dont know much about art but i know what i like" opinion. just my thoughts. i could be completely wrong here.
-Charle
One can only enjoy the ballet if one has studied and practiced it a number of years oneself? One can appreciate Beethoven only if one has studied music theory, composition and a few instruments? One can only enjoy a movie if one has attempted to make a full length movie oneself? One can appreciate the grandeur of Shakespeare only if one has written some fairly successful plays and sonnets oneself? Those artists then only cater to their only little clique?
It seems to me a benchmark of art is that it has a universality (often, that is) that can be appreciated across all other cultures and all ages. Even though we didn't live in the Stone Age we can feel deeply moved by the "chalk" drawings in the caves of Lascaux.
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You can certainly appreciate music without any formal training or understanding
of what is going on. The same with ballet and the same with chess or
anything else requiring skill or talent to master.
You can also get a huge amount more out of it if you have a better
understanding or appreciation of the language being used in any of the
cases.
These are all forms of communication. You get a whole lot more out
of it if you understand the language.
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09/01/2002 09:46:24 PM · #32 |
Karen,
I think john was being facitious. At least I hope he was. Like any forum. There are always a few nuggets you can mine from the noise here.
As to the original question or comment.
I found I was spending too much time photographings I did not want to photograph, and then spending too much time reading the comments on the shot.
I decided that this site actually took time away from what I personally like about photography. I now only submit when the challenge meets my preferences.
Originally posted by Karen Bryan:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
[i]After all, DPC is a base of primarily amateur photographers and amateur critics... I don't expect professional critique here...
I usually agree with you, John, but here I find this a bit harsh. While it's true that some comments can be weeded thru, and some opinions too (translated into votes), it is still a good random reference to how the world sees your work, or how it would be recieved by the masses. "Professionals" don't have their work received only by other professionals. They expect it to be out there and viewed by the masses who are mostly made up of "amateurs".
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09/01/2002 09:51:39 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Zeissman:
Karen,
I think john was being facitious. At least I hope he was. Like any forum. There are always a few nuggets you can mine from the noise here.
As to the original question or comment.
I found I was spending too much time photographings I did not want to photograph, and then spending too much time reading the comments on the shot.
I decided that this site actually took time away from what I personally like about photography. I now only submit when the challenge meets my preferences.
Originally posted by Karen Bryan:
[i]Originally posted by jmsetzler:
[i]After all, DPC is a base of primarily amateur photographers and amateur critics... I don't expect professional critique here...
I usually agree with you, John, but here I find this a bit harsh. While it's true that some comments can be weeded thru, and some opinions too (translated into votes), it is still a good random reference to how the world sees your work, or how it would be recieved by the masses. "Professionals" don't have their work received only by other professionals. They expect it to be out there and viewed by the masses who are mostly made up of "amateurs".
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My quoted line in that comment was taken out of context... It was referring to some of my photos that are NOT dpchallenge submissions... you have to read back a few posts from that particular post to see where it comes into play...
Also, the term 'amateur' is not intended to be negative...
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09/01/2002 09:59:19 PM · #34 |
Interesting how the hack critics want to defend their lack of professional standing. Professionals tend to rate other artists far less criticaly and more accuratly than DCPer's. The "rule of thirds" and "blown out highlights" and such, are seen by a professional in the context of their usage rather than as a holy ordinance.A professional can judge quality, inspite of a personal distaste for subject matter. And this, amoung other things explains why there aren't too many professionals in DPC.
The challange is a wonderful concept, poorly implimented. While it can stimulate the creative mind, it can also repress the very spirit of creativity. It provides the potential for constructive feed back from ones peers, yet allows for ignorant critisim by fools. Unfortunatly, an inexperianced photographer cannot always tell the differance between them.
And of course the low ball scoring is another problem. My average score on other web sites that use a 1-10 scale is higher than the average winning photo for the DPC challanges that I have reviewed. No photo that I have ever submitted to any other web site has scored less than a 6, yet my average score for the challange I entered here was 4.4.
On the other sites there are some far more able photographers doing the judging. And a much wider veriaty of topics being judged. Now I don't mind the order of ranking I got in the challange, but a score of 4.4 is nothing short of an insult.There are too many amoung us who seem to think they know more than they actualy know. But that is a common human failure.I strongly suspect that the people handing out 3's and 4's are too highly motivated by the competition to see clearly the work of others, or simply suffer from the common ill will that is so previlant in today's world. My mother-in-law takes snap shots with a Poloriode at family gatherings. I'd give her work a 3 or 4. But then she already knows she's bad and would never even consider entering a competition!
My point being, if you are not functioning artisticaly because of DPC, go elsewhere. There are better places with higher quality work and more constructive comments.
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09/01/2002 10:04:34 PM · #35 |
rapsii3...man..have you been submitting here under another name?
Your profile says you have only been here 2 weeks and one submission.
From your post I thought you had been here for months :-) |
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09/01/2002 10:22:54 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by hokie:
rapsii3...man..have you been submitting here under another name?
Your profile says you have only been here 2 weeks and one submission.
From your post I thought you had been here for months :-)
When I chose to participate it is my habit to study the forum. My opinions and insights are from discussions in this forum, review of past activities of this web site, and comparissons to the behavior of other web sites. It is after all the power of observation that makes for a photographer. |
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09/01/2002 11:48:58 PM · #37 |
| the best shots i take i take by accident. which basically means that i'm pretty much SOL when it comes to dpc. :) |
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