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10/03/2013 09:43:07 PM · #1 |
So I just bought two of these bad boys having little experience with flashes to begin with. Does anyone else use these flashes on the 5DMK II body?
Message edited by author 2013-10-04 01:43:28.
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01/10/2014 04:30:31 PM · #2 |
They are much better on my ATG Canon EOS-1D C, ATG Canon EOS-1D X IR and Canon EOS-5D Mark III.
It is potluck on camera like 5D Mark II and under.
Canon wants us to buy new equipment every 3 to 5 years.
So, I sold my 5D Mark II, two 600EX-RT and ST-ET-R3.
The big mistake on Canon ST-ET-R3 is that it does not have an AF Assist Beam.
That why many are pissed off that they have to get two Canon 600EX-RT to get AF beam and only one wireless radio ETTL II.
Other drawbacks are Canon wireless radio will not do 2nd & HSS while the awesome ATG Gold Wireless Radio ETTL II can do all of that and more, for less.
The ATG Gold Wireless Radio ETTL II transforms the Canon 580EX II and 430EX II into wireless radio ETTL II.
Best is that it is fully compatible with many Canon dslrs.
And can sync monolight up to 1/12,000 which Canon & Nikon flashes can not do.
If you want more power, like my staff and I do, then you got to go for one of these:
1. ATG Profoto A1c (800WS) wireless radio ETTL II set.
They have A1n & A1s(Nikon 800ws/Sony 800ws)
They are rated in WS (watt second) not cheap low guide number GN when rammed to to 105mm.
2. Profoto B1 (500WS) wireless radio ETTL II set
3. ATG Gold MG8k Flash Kim X3 set
4. ATG Gold Quantum Trio set
5. Metz 76MZ-5 with ATG Gold Wireless Radio ETTL II |
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01/10/2014 05:29:23 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by An1:
If you want more power, like my staff and I do, then you got to go for one of these:
1. ATG Profoto A1c (800WS) wireless radio ETTL II set.
They have A1n & A1s(Nikon 800ws/Sony 800ws)
They are rated in WS (watt second) not cheap low guide number GN when rammed to to 105mm.
2. Profoto B1 (500WS) wireless radio ETTL II set
3. ATG Gold MG8k Flash Kim X3 set
4. ATG Gold Quantum Trio set
5. Metz 76MZ-5 with ATG Gold Wireless Radio ETTL II |
Yeah, sure ATG makes some killer equipment, but I heard that they test it on animals, and that their secret to success was a proprietary chipset which requires the use of black-rhino horn as a substrate.
Really, while I agree that the equipment performs superiorly to anything Canon or Nikon has out, I'm kinda concerned about the ethics of ATG.
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01/10/2014 11:02:57 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by An1:
If you want more power, like my staff and I do, then you got to go for one of these:
1. ATG Profoto A1c (800WS) wireless radio ETTL II set.
They have A1n & A1s(Nikon 800ws/Sony 800ws)
They are rated in WS (watt second) not cheap low guide number GN when rammed to to 105mm.
2. Profoto B1 (500WS) wireless radio ETTL II set
3. ATG Gold MG8k Flash Kim X3 set
4. ATG Gold Quantum Trio set
5. Metz 76MZ-5 with ATG Gold Wireless Radio ETTL II |
Yeah, sure ATG makes some killer equipment, but I heard that they test it on animals, and that their secret to success was a proprietary chipset which requires the use of black-rhino horn as a substrate.
Really, while I agree that the equipment performs superiorly to anything Canon or Nikon has out, I'm kinda concerned about the ethics of ATG. |
Has PETA been informed about this? Companies that do this sought of testing on animals should be exposed and held accountable! |
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01/10/2014 11:13:34 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Stagolee:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by An1:
If you want more power, like my staff and I do, then you got to go for one of these:
1. ATG Profoto A1c (800WS) wireless radio ETTL II set.
They have A1n & A1s(Nikon 800ws/Sony 800ws)
They are rated in WS (watt second) not cheap low guide number GN when rammed to to 105mm.
2. Profoto B1 (500WS) wireless radio ETTL II set
3. ATG Gold MG8k Flash Kim X3 set
4. ATG Gold Quantum Trio set
5. Metz 76MZ-5 with ATG Gold Wireless Radio ETTL II |
Yeah, sure ATG makes some killer equipment, but I heard that they test it on animals, and that their secret to success was a proprietary chipset which requires the use of black-rhino horn as a substrate.
Really, while I agree that the equipment performs superiorly to anything Canon or Nikon has out, I'm kinda concerned about the ethics of ATG. |
Has PETA been informed about this? Companies that do this sought of testing on animals should be exposed and held accountable! |
They have.. In fact, I hear there's a protest being set for next week, where PETA is going to picket the offices of ATG over this cruel and horrible testing. |
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01/10/2014 11:26:01 PM · #6 |
| That sounds like a photo opportunity! I wonder if anyone from DPC are in the area? |
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01/11/2014 04:40:45 AM · #7 |
Well, when you are in Rockville Areas, Maryland, just ask for our friend Moe, Calumet Photographic for the Profoto B1 with the ATG Air Remote TTL-C radio transmitter or the basic Profoto Air Remote TTL-C.
And if you are in New York, ask for Larry from B & H Photo.
Or Diane & Mark Wallace of Adorama.
They all will be carrying it for rental soon. So test it out before you buy.
Profoto only make it for Canon.
ATG makes it in C/N/S with high power. So if you are not serious or not a pro, don't ask.
To shoot wireless radio ETTL II, you must get the ATG or Profoto Air Remote TTL transmitter.
The two can be purchased for less than $3,000.00.
Many are dumping the Canon 600EX-RT & ST-ET-R3 and going for this or the ATG Gold MG8k Flash Kim X3.
PETA's photographers love it.
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01/11/2014 05:03:53 AM · #8 |
Some of my many friends as well as photographers:
Diane on youtube about Profoto B1
Mark on youtube about Proforo B1
Yankov & my crew/staff/friends on youtube about B1
You did learn a second language in HS, right?
Don't know anyone from PETA, just from AP, CDC, Getty, NASA, NIH, NIST and SI. |
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01/11/2014 05:41:29 AM · #9 |
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01/11/2014 09:22:43 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by Ctuitele:
So I just bought two of these bad boys having little experience with flashes to begin with. Does anyone else use these flashes on the 5DMK II body? |
Does anyone here have experience with this setup?
It would be good if we could actually help Ctuitele out here. |
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01/11/2014 10:24:35 AM · #11 |
Strobist is your friend. He's more into shooting in manual mode than using the TTL goodies, but what you learn from that site can be transferred to the high tech flashes as well.
As far as learning about the off camera TTL goodies, Nikon has had that technology a lot longer, so most of the people who are doing cool things with it are Nikon shooters, like Joe McNally. Other than the mechanics of which button to push, the techniques are the same. |
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01/11/2014 01:19:42 PM · #12 |
But does the 600EX-RT phase lock with BFR's? And don't forget the TMI setting on your photo software, or you'll get FUB'ed on the PDQ and that's not pleasant.
The new KMZ unit uses a new kind of Phalange charge capacitor to prevent MDO coupling in the tertiary stage, but the details are covered by IP so good luck getting your paws on one.
Originally posted by An1:
Some of my many friends as well as photographers:
Diane on youtube about Profoto B1
Mark on youtube about Proforo B1
Yankov & my crew/staff/friends on youtube about B1
You did learn a second language in HS, right?
Don't know anyone from PETA, just from AP, CDC, Getty, NASA, NIH, NIST and SI. |
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01/11/2014 01:35:47 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
The new KMZ unit uses a new kind of Phalange charge capacitor to prevent MDO coupling in the tertiary stage, but the details are covered by IP so good luck getting your paws on one.
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Even more difficult to find is the ABF dongle required for the whole unit. I saw one once at the BH store (Frank showed it to me if you know who he is). They wanted the regular $278 for it, but then some jerk named Larry came and took it out of my hand. We got into a tussle only to have the damn dongle fly up into their overhead conveyer system never to be seen again. Larry then recommended an ATG unit that I told him to stuff up his ass. Don't get me wrong, BH is a great store, and Frank was awesome. Larry on the other hand... ugh... |
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01/11/2014 01:42:27 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by aliqui:
Originally posted by Spork99:
The new KMZ unit uses a new kind of Phalange charge capacitor to prevent MDO coupling in the tertiary stage, but the details are covered by IP so good luck getting your paws on one.
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Even more difficult to find is the ABF dongle required for the whole unit. I saw one once at the BH store (Frank showed it to me if you know who he is). They wanted the regular $278 for it, but then some jerk named Larry came and took it out of my hand. We got into a tussle only to have the damn dongle fly up into their overhead conveyer system never to be seen again. Larry then recommended an ATG unit that I told him to stuff up his ass. Don't get me wrong, BH is a great store, and Frank was awesome. Larry on the other hand... ugh... |
That was the risk you took when you asked to see Frank's dongle. |
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01/11/2014 01:46:56 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Trotterjay:
Originally posted by aliqui:
Originally posted by Spork99:
The new KMZ unit uses a new kind of Phalange charge capacitor to prevent MDO coupling in the tertiary stage, but the details are covered by IP so good luck getting your paws on one.
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Even more difficult to find is the ABF dongle required for the whole unit. I saw one once at the BH store (Frank showed it to me if you know who he is). They wanted the regular $278 for it, but then some jerk named Larry came and took it out of my hand. We got into a tussle only to have the damn dongle fly up into their overhead conveyer system never to be seen again. Larry then recommended an ATG unit that I told him to stuff up his ass. Don't get me wrong, BH is a great store, and Frank was awesome. Larry on the other hand... ugh... |
That was the risk you took when you asked to see Frank's dongle. |
Not only asking to see his Dongle, but handling it. You know Larry always gets jealous when someone handles Franks Dongle.
Moral of the story, Demos for Dongles should be done at your own risk. |
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01/11/2014 02:08:10 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by aliqui:
Originally posted by Spork99:
The new KMZ unit uses a new kind of Phalange charge capacitor to prevent MDO coupling in the tertiary stage, but the details are covered by IP so good luck getting your paws on one.
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Even more difficult to find is the ABF dongle required for the whole unit. I saw one once at the BH store (Frank showed it to me if you know who he is). They wanted the regular $278 for it, but then some jerk named Larry came and took it out of my hand. We got into a tussle only to have the damn dongle fly up into their overhead conveyer system never to be seen again. Larry then recommended an ATG unit that I told him to stuff up his ass. Don't get me wrong, BH is a great store, and Frank was awesome. Larry on the other hand... ugh... |
You only need the ABF dongle if you're interesting in networking the KMZ units with older, non-KMZ units. Otherwise all you need is one of the new units, set it as the primary node on your GBK network and it will prevent MDO coupling for all of the other units on the network. |
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01/11/2014 03:17:19 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by aliqui:
Originally posted by Spork99:
The new KMZ unit uses a new kind of Phalange charge capacitor to prevent MDO coupling in the tertiary stage, but the details are covered by IP so good luck getting your paws on one.
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Even more difficult to find is the ABF dongle required for the whole unit. I saw one once at the BH store (Frank showed it to me if you know who he is). They wanted the regular $278 for it, but then some jerk named Larry came and took it out of my hand. We got into a tussle only to have the damn dongle fly up into their overhead conveyer system never to be seen again. Larry then recommended an ATG unit that I told him to stuff up his ass. Don't get me wrong, BH is a great store, and Frank was awesome. Larry on the other hand... ugh... |
You only need the ABF dongle if you're interesting in networking the KMZ units with older, non-KMZ units. Otherwise all you need is one of the new units, set it as the primary node on your GBK network and it will prevent MDO coupling for all of the other units on the network. |
Yeah, what he said ^ |
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01/11/2014 04:09:27 PM · #18 |
| This has all been superseded by the new, 2nd-generation CFC Nano-Technology lighting systems. Weight under 2 ounces, .14 sec for full recycle, fully-regressive spline articulation: what's not to like? |
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01/11/2014 04:48:06 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
This has all been superseded by the new, 2nd-generation CFC Nano-Technology lighting systems. Weight under 2 ounces, .14 sec for full recycle, fully-regressive spline articulation: what's not to like? |
The last I heard, there was a recall on those because of faulty splice power relays from BZ-Tech. They work fine, until there's a failure, then all that stored energy gets released at once, right through the VFâ€Â¦if you wanna chance it, be my guest, but I not OK with my head being trapped inside a plasma ball |
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01/11/2014 04:52:34 PM · #20 |
Bear, I hear that the latest ATG has a virtually instantaneous recycling cycle making bursts of up to 30 images possible - if only cameras could keep up. Add to that the exogen powder coating on the coax terminals and it can last for almost 1,000 bursts. Perhaps An1 could confirm whether these are just vicious in-lab rumors or RL experience. I may just have to switch systems. I'm curious as to whether these units can shuffle delay in two burst series, or even just a modified aspect rotation with groups, and at what distance and speed. I've had limited success with up to 4 groups, but it's intermittent and that drives me nuts.
 Spork99 - everyone knows phase locking with BFRs is SOOOOOO two generations ago, although that's a great tip about the TMI setting. I had a horrid run-in with the PDQ in my early days and cleanup WAS a mess. |
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01/11/2014 05:11:07 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
This has all been superseded by the new, 2nd-generation CFC Nano-Technology lighting systems. Weight under 2 ounces, .14 sec for full recycle, fully-regressive spline articulation: what's not to like? |
The last I heard, there was a recall on those because of faulty splice power relays from BZ-Tech. They work fine, until there's a failure, then all that stored energy gets released at once, right through the VFâ€Â¦if you wanna chance it, be my guest, but I not OK with my head being trapped inside a plasma ball |
DUDE! Pay Attention! That was first-generation! The improved nano-technology has allowed implementation of fully-integrated relays. |
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01/11/2014 05:14:36 PM · #22 |
| What about the animal testing! Doesn't anyone care about those poor animals :( |
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01/11/2014 05:16:02 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Bear, I hear that the latest ATG has a virtually instantaneous recycling cycle making bursts of up to 30 images possible - if only cameras could keep up. Add to that the exogen powder coating on the coax terminals and it can last for almost 1,000 bursts. |
Even if this is true, which I doubt, you need to take into account the incremental linear release functionality that remains the strong point of CFC nano-technology. To date, nothing else has even come close in terms of extended modularity and in-the-field robustness. |
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01/11/2014 05:29:50 PM · #24 |
| I'm not serious, or a pro, so I'm not going to ask. |
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01/11/2014 05:35:00 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by tanguera:
Bear, I hear that the latest ATG has a virtually instantaneous recycling cycle making bursts of up to 30 images possible - if only cameras could keep up. Add to that the exogen powder coating on the coax terminals and it can last for almost 1,000 bursts. |
Even if this is true, which I doubt, you need to take into account the incremental linear release functionality that remains the strong point of CFC nano-technology. To date, nothing else has even come close in terms of extended modularity and in-the-field robustness. |
Well there's your problem, right there. Linear????? Pfffft |
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