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09/02/2004 10:39:53 PM · #1 |
If the world were a Utopia and it was all socialist, just the way the new democratic party wants....there will arise some Vikings or some Hitlers. Check your history. Now, since these aggressors consider the socialist lambs, they will overide the herd. Look at your socialist countries now and show me their military budgets. Ah, yes you say, we can always bring the aggressors to the bargaining table.
That is the big difference of people who do not understand the conservative philosophy. They do not comprehend the meaning of freedom nor its cost. This is where the new democratic party fails miserably.
Freedom requires that our blood be shed to conserve it. This is a very sad fact of life. Think about it carefully and you will come to the conclusion that not all men are honorable and some will kill you because you have something they want. Think of what would have taken place had the USA refused to confront Hitler?
I am a conservative and therefore vote republican. But, as much as you want to hate me and my kind, remember that freedom has a price attached and the very freedom that you employ to rant and protest and demostrate was given to you by the blood of the soldier. This is a sad fact about life and freedom, it can not be had in no other way.
Right now, we are in a state of war. There is no doubt that we have the worst enemy you can face...a backward people who are ready and willing to die to destroy us. The enemy matrix is all over the globe and please do not forget 9/11.
The enemy has served notice and it can strike us or our loved ones. Under such circumstannces just what is it that we are supposed to do? The question is: What would you do to protect the USA from these attackers?
You see, life can not go on as it did prior to 9/11. Our freedoms must be temporarily checked because we do know that the enemy is within us.
The current democratic party wants political power so bad that it invents lies which intelligent people go about and repeat with their very own lips as if it were gospel. Long after all these lies are exposed for what they are, there is a diehard faction which continue to repeat the lie. I hear otherwise intelligent people talking dumb.
The object of these lies were engineered to create a hatred for Bush. Much like they created a hatred for Reagan.
These people do not understand freedom and they attack and insult the very people who have shed their blood for their very freedom.
Look, I understand that there is always room for opposite philosophies. Read the works of Plato and look at how some top debators argued on different sides of the same topic. But remember that you are first individuals with your own innert sense of judgement. Be careful when you chose to win your argument not with reason but with anger and hatred. This makes you sound like a fool repeating the misinformation of some calculating miscreants who do not have your interest at heart.
Of course, we all have a complain to file but how is your purpose served when you fill your head with these negative passions and what you literally do is rant and scream and try to cut with words, but your listener sees your anger and your rage and the pupils in the center of the whites of the eyes. They see a madman. Is this the culminating output of your education. Is this the way you want to view by the well tempered?
This is not to disparage your feelings. You do have a right to be heard. Men have died and men are willing to die to preserve that right. It is simply how you approach your goal. The world is not as simple as it looks. We have soldiers dying and it is very easy to get carried away and question their death by arguing that it does not have to be.
Well, in a perfect world, you are right. But our globe sees the rise of aggressors and America is the only super power that can deal with these threats. We can not depend on many other countries to die for us, yet we are ready to die for them. This is the consequence of greatness. We believe in Liberty and we are ready to die, much like our fore fathers.
What makes this country great is its constitution. Look at the wonder of how we have grown to become the biggest power. We have it, but we are people of good will. Like any game you play, the winner must have the most. The most guarantees you safety and if you use your resources wisely you become a blessing and a guardian to all.
Yet there are those that hate America. Some even bite the hands that feed them. However, we are not perfect but we are not as bad as some portray us..We are ready to die to preserve freedom and read your history to see what we have done for freedom.
Of course, you will argue that it does not have to be like this. Look, the democratic party is imploding and if Bush were as guilty as you say he is, they would have impeached him because they hated when Clinton got impeached. If any of those lies that you spread were real, they would have already impeached him. The Democratic party is not naive. Yet, they would have you repeat these lies because they believe that the dumb will listen and join the hatred which in the democratics leaders mind will mean another convert to defeat the Republicans. It is not really Bush they hate, they hate the republicans period.
I mean, the Democratic Party went as far as to accuse Bush of being in on the 9/11 attack. Hillary knew she was lying, but hey there are many loonies out there who need a leader to feed their retarded mind with trash. Like I said, I am a conservative but I will abandon its causes if any of its leader spoon fed me lies for me to spread around. I will certainly filter anything anybody tells me. I am not the dumb kid that repeats what I am told or what I hear.
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09/02/2004 10:45:34 PM · #2 |
Very well said. Thank you.
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09/02/2004 11:15:10 PM · #3 |
| You have a way with words, Dan. This is how I feel, too. I'm also proud to say I think this way. |
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09/02/2004 11:28:38 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
If the world were a Utopia and it was all socialist, just the way the new democratic party wants....there will arise some Vikings or some Hitlers. Check your history. Now, since these aggressors consider the socialist lambs, they will overide the herd. Look at your socialist countries now and show me their military budgets. Ah, yes you say, we can always bring the aggressors to the bargaining table. |
***It was with the help and support of industrialists like Henry Ford, JP Morgan, Prescott Bush and Wall Street and US banks that Hitler ascended to power.***
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
That is the big difference of people who do not understand the conservative philosophy. They do not comprehend the meaning of freedom nor its cost. This is where the new democratic party fails miserably.
Freedom requires that our blood be shed to conserve it. This is a very sad fact of life. Think about it carefully and you will come to the conclusion that not all men are honorable and some will kill you because you have something they want. Think of what would have taken place had the USA refused to confront Hitler? |
***Very good point and exactly why liberals see through all the rhetoric of the Bushites to realize and acknowledge their neocon agenda of American imperialistic domination of the world's resources. As you point out, not all men are honorable and some will kill you because of what you have. In the case of Bush and the neocons, it's oil and world domination they want. ***
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
I am a conservative and therefore vote republican. But, as much as you want to hate me and my kind, remember that freedom has a price attached and the very freedom that you employ to rant and protest and demostrate was given to you by the blood of the soldier. This is a sad fact about life and freedom, it can not be had in no other way.
Right now, we are in a state of war. There is no doubt that we have the worst enemy you can face...a backward people who are ready and willing to die to destroy us. The enemy matrix is all over the globe and please do not forget 9/11. |
***Who can forget 9/11 when Bush and the republicans keep rubbing our faces in and using it to their political benefits provoking fear with the false color alerts?***
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
The enemy has served notice and it can strike us or our loved ones. Under such circumstannces just what is it that we are supposed to do? The question is: What would you do to protect the USA from these attackers? |
***Good question! 1. Change our energy dependencies from fossil fuels to other alternatives. 2. Help to resolve the Palestinian issue. 3. Remove US military bases from Muslim countries that don't want us. 4. Stop the CIA from meddling with the politics of local governments and start empowering the people there to have control over their own lives so they can live them the way they want to. 5. Stop the neocon invader/imperialistic methods.***
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
You see, life can not go on as it did prior to 9/11. Our freedoms must be temporarily checked because we do know that the enemy is within us. |
***I do not agree with that and do not want to live in the totalitarian government of fascists.***
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
The current democratic party wants political power so bad that it invents lies which intelligent people go about and repeat with their very own lips as if it were gospel. Long after all these lies are exposed for what they are, there is a diehard faction which continue to repeat the lie. I hear otherwise intelligent people talking dumb. |
***Interesting point in that it's exactly the Bushites who invented the lies of Iraq and Hussein that were perpetuated to go to war for phoney reasons. Iraq and WMDs...LIES. Husseing and al Qaeda...FALSE. Military solution to terrorism...FALSE.***
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
The object of these lies were engineered to create a hatred for Bush. Much like they created a hatred for Reagan.
These people do not understand freedom and they attack and insult the very people who have shed their blood for their very freedom. |
***This is a false statement of YOURS. The most respect and support you can give our troops fighting a false war in Iraq would be to bring them home. I appreciate very much what our military does for us. It's the current administration who has none of their interests in mind and use them like pawns in a game of chess.***
***It's democratic to question and dissent against governments. |
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09/03/2004 03:48:55 AM · #5 |
Interesting and lucid.
But 'our globe sees the rise of aggressors' - I must take issue here. whist that statement is true, 'our' globe (yours, mine) does not universally see the US as the only defence against them. A large part of the world actually sees the US as self-centred to a fightening degree, and unwilling to comprehend the often circular and complex xituations and motivations of others, not to mention their different priorities, and rather fond of it's oil-burners.
Many people I know are far more worried about the economic potential of another Bush administration - many foresee a continuance of the budgetary mishandling, ultimately leading to serious defaulting on obligations to creditor countries: this would be completely in line with current isolationist US economic policy. The consequences of this would be quite horific worldwide, especially as ever for the poor and disposessed, though it would actually be a rather good thing for Europe, as we have little liability (comparatively) in the US budget deficit.
Your own post makes the tautologous point that throughout history the world's freedoms have always been paid for with the blood of it's soldiers. That is most often true. Many of the world's attempted hegemonies have likewise been built on the blood of soldiers (Hitler, Alexander, Rome, the USSR, Napoleon, Khan to name the obvious ones), and mostly with the propaganda elements to accompany it. The belt-buckle inscription of the Nazi armies was 'Gott mit uns' - God With Us. That people die for a cause does not make it right, no more than it makes it wrong.
That much of the world starves, that much of the world lives in peril of the rising seas, that much of the world stuggles pitifully to scrape some kind of existence, whilst the leaders prosecute wars against one another with billion-dollar machines and all the resources that 'progress' has put in the hands of those with money; now that, certainly, is wrong.
And our governments do nothing about it.
Message edited by author 2004-09-03 07:49:41.
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09/03/2004 03:51:02 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
If the world were a Utopia and it was all socialist, just the way the new democratic party wants.... |
Oh, and isn't this a biased mis-representation? Or a lie, rather?
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09/03/2004 04:29:06 AM · #7 |
Hmm, I have a lot of your respect for your photography... and I hate to see politics and Americanism keep creeping into this community.
Let's just take issue with one small part of your long speech:
'Be careful when you chose to win your argument not with reason but with anger and hatred.'
Very true indeed!! Let's look at a few other snippets and see if you follow this noble ideal:
'There is no doubt that we have the worst enemy you can face...a backward people who are ready and willing to die to destroy us.'
Who are you talking about? 'Backward'?! It's this kind of arrogant and stereotyping attitude that gets some Americans into so much trouble. Although there is no doubt that there are many people out there who mean harm to all sorts of people, the fact that not one clear enemy has been stated makes this start to sound more like shadowy paranoia. And in fact, the amount of racism and paranoia that exists in the USA now as a result of these feelings makes me deeply uneasy, and reluctant to go anywhere near the place.
'The enemy has served notice and it can strike us or our loved ones. Under such circumstannces just what is it that we are supposed to do?'
Which enemy? I think the enemy that has served notice is out of all proportion to the response. Don't forget that as someone who grew up and worked in London, I encountered the threat of terrorism from the IRA on a daily basis. The answer is to get on with your lives! Don't let fear build up hate and paranoia. And don't stereotype people. Maybe try to have a deeper understanding of the problem rather than just 'crazy people' and 'us'.
And on a small side note, I believe you're seriously misguided if you believe that America is not one of the Global aggressors that you mentioned.
But this is a long and fruitless discussion... I just wanted to make sure that this thread has balanced opinions in it.
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09/03/2004 04:30:05 AM · #8 |
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09/03/2004 05:37:18 AM · #9 |
You know Dan, you still don't present any facts when you make all your wild accusations. At least be like RonB, and provide facts.
The current democratic party wants political power so bad that it invents lies which intelligent people go about and repeat with their very own lips as if it were gospel. Long after all these lies are exposed for what they are, there is a diehard faction which continue to repeat the lie. I hear otherwise intelligent people talking dumb.
And these lies are? And your proof that they are lies, is?
I mean, the Democratic Party went as far as to accuse Bush of being in on the 9/11 attack.
Is that quoted somewhere (in full context)? And was it the "Democratic Party" or a single person that made the comment?
The problem I have with the Repulican party, at least during the RNC, is they keep trying to blur the lines between going after Al Quida after 9/11 and going after Saddam in Iraq.
Very few people take issue with going into Afgantistan in response to 9/11. Most of the people are taking issue with the way we went into Iraq. If the President had bad intelligence that lead him to the decision to invade, ok. But, he has been quoted, that had he know then, what he knows now, he would have STILL invaded Iraq, because he was an evil dictator. That just does not sit well with me. Why haven't we invaded North Korea yet? Is that an evil dictator?
Anybody else feel the President may have already had the Iraq invasion on his agenda?
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09/03/2004 05:52:21 AM · #10 |
Graphicfunk: Your partisanship is remarkable - a true missionary for your political affiliation.
I for one welcome politics at dpc and enjoy various members political opinions.
Yours is certianly heartfelt and sincere, without inclusion of endless quotations and reference to yesterdays blank links to CNN or Rush. (I might suggest Aquinas and Aristotle to your classics reading list)
However I am disappointed that I have seen relatively few photographic images where I believe the true basis of this or any topic should be at dpc.
Show me your observations, opinions, prejudice, paranoia, jingoism and propaganda in images......... |
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09/03/2004 05:56:14 AM · #11 |
what is funny is you can remove the name of the president and or politician and these same arguments and issues can be used 20 years from now.
Heck a lot of this current argument could have been used between 1965 and 1975, only the names and the places have changed....
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09/03/2004 06:02:27 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
Check your history...Think of what would have taken place had the USA refused to confront Hitler? |
Actually, we did refuse to confront Hitler. World War 2 started in 1938/39. Our response was 'Bad Hitler! You need to give back Poland'. Needless to say, that didn't work too well. We systematically ignored the build up of the German military prior to 1938. After the war started the United States continued to practice a policy of strong isolationism for 2 years. We did provide our allies with some supplies and political support but did not committ troops until 1942 after the attacks on Pearl Harbor. It was 1943 before we had any significant troops in the UK and 1944 before we put troops into Europe.
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
I am a conservative and therefore vote republican. But, as much as you want to hate me and my kind, remember that freedom has a price attached and the very freedom that you employ to rant and protest and demostrate was given to you by the blood of the soldier. |
I don't hate you or your kind. My concern is that in all the jingoistic rhetoric and fearmongering that is circulating today we are not using a good stratey for dealing with terrorism. Those of us who focus on terrorism studies are strongly concerned that some tactics used by the current US administration are compounding the problem. History shows us over and over again that stomping out terrorists is like stomping out an anthill. It makes you feel good for a little bit until the ants regroup.
Find me one modern example where an all out military assault has ever eliminiated terrorists. I don't think you can. Peru, India, Sri Lanka, Russia, are all examples of countries who are trying/have tried all out war on their terrorist problems. Ask the Russians today how well that response is working.
Terrorism is not something where a one note solution works. It's not a black and white problem and as such, it can't be solved with a black and white solution.
God Bless America. :)
Clara
(edited to remove extra quoted text that I forgot to delete the first time)
Message edited by author 2004-09-03 10:04:51.
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09/03/2004 06:12:25 AM · #13 |
So nobody likes us, we are aggressors. Let's bring back ALL our troops, shut down all our borders, TO ALL.
You are travelling abroad, you are fingerprinted (most shouldn't object to this, unless a criminal or that type of activity.) and photographed upon exiting. Anyone returning is then "checked back in," legally. No proof of your identification...go back to where you came from.
All those soldiers can then be put on our borders and flying around them. Any unauthorized flights/boats/etc shot down...bye, bye drug trade! No more illegal aliens...More of those "I am too good for that job" jobs will be OPEN for the "I can't get a job" crowd.
No more aid to ANY country! No money, no food, no nothing!! FFY (fend for yourself) as my mom use to day. Put that money to OUR poor, homeless, and hungry.
We take care of OUR own and no others. Lets see how fast other countries and political parties bawl about that.
That sound good? Ya think?
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09/03/2004 06:18:26 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:
So nobody likes us, we are aggressors. Let's bring back ALL our troops, shut down all our borders, TO ALL.
You are travelling abroad, you are fingerprinted (most shouldn't object to this, unless a criminal or that type of activity.) and photographed upon exiting. Anyone returning is then "checked back in," legally. No proof of your identification...go back to where you came from.
All those soldiers can then be put on our borders and flying around them. Any unauthorized flights/boats/etc shot down...bye, bye drug trade! No more illegal aliens...More of those "I am too good for that job" jobs will be OPEN for the "I can't get a job" crowd.
No more aid to ANY country! No money, no food, no nothing!! FFY (fend for yourself) as my mom use to day. Put that money to OUR poor, homeless, and hungry.
We take care of OUR own and no others. Lets see how fast other countries and political parties bawl about that.
That sound good? Ya think? |
Good to see we're staying rational, with well thought out lucid arguments.
Here's lots of FACTS about Bush: //news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=557746
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09/03/2004 06:22:33 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
The object of these lies were engineered to create a hatred for Bush. Much like they created a hatred for Reagan.
These people do not understand freedom and they attack and insult the very people who have shed their blood for their very freedom. |
***This is a false statement of YOURS. The most respect and support you can give our troops fighting a false war in Iraq would be to bring them home. I appreciate very much what our military does for us. It's the current administration who has none of their interests in mind and use them like pawns in a game of chess.***
***It's democratic to question and dissent against governments. |
Hmmm. Good to see that you're still able to post, Olyuzi. Since you never responded to the last question I posed to you in the "Appalling New Prison Photos" thread on 9/01, I thought that you had been called out of town or something. But here I see you pushing the same old tiresome solutions: "Bring them home". In case you have forgotten already ( it HAS been over two days ), you had already agreed that we can't just "bring them home" without creating increased ( not decreased ) conflict, potentially even civil war, in Iraq. You then suggested that we would first have to get other countries and the U.N. involved first. Then I responded with this - which you have not answered yet:
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How do we get "more countries and the UN involved"?
Most other countries are being targeted by the Islamic Terrorists both in Iraq ( kidnappings and beheadings of their nationals ) and on their own sovereign soil ( as in the Madrid bombings, for example ). Some are already pulling out of Iraq as a result. What argument can the U.S. provide for them to go back in? For other countries under attack to remain?
The U.N. has already demonstrated that they cut and run as soon as they come under attack. What would entice them to become involved, other than diplomatically - which we already know doesn't solve the problem.
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09/03/2004 06:57:19 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Good to see we're staying rational, with well thought out lucid arguments. |
There are no arguments in there. What's not rational about it? Solves all these stupid ass inane "my dick is bigger than your dick....I mean my candidate is better than your candidate," boring, overwinded, crybaby arguments. No matter what you say...you are not going to change anyones mind about these two equally unelectable people. You are all arguing, just to argue. Just to piss each other off and get a reaction. Am I right or not?
I've had enough of these WAH WAH stuff. Time to invoke the ignore rants button. I am here for the photography. Bye, bye
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09/03/2004 09:14:05 AM · #17 |
Saw that too - facts collected by the editor of Vanity Fair. Warning to republicans: this will make you very angry indeed.
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09/03/2004 09:34:01 AM · #18 |
Graphicfunk, please stick to photography. No offence but I think you’re too old to be discussing politics, at least, your thinking is. The world is not black and white. Conservatism will lead to a collapse of our civilization if we don’t change it. The time of cheap and safe oil is over and its not coming back and everything in the last 150 years is completely built off cheap oil.
Its either change or BE CHANGED.
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09/03/2004 10:16:54 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Graphicfunk, please stick to photography. No offence but I think you’re too old to be discussing politics, at least, your thinking is. The world is not black and white. Conservatism will lead to a collapse of our civilization if we don’t change it. The time of cheap and safe oil is over and its not coming back and everything in the last 150 years is completely built off cheap oil.
Its either change or BE CHANGED. |
Or maybe you are too young to know what you are talking about? No one knows the correct answers, it's all opinion. No one is too old or too young to have an opinion on the best direction for the country. Could Kerry have done a better job in Iraq (this week he does say he would have went into Iraq, just differently)? Will Kerry's more "sensitive war" make terrorist like us better? Will Bush's economic plan bust us? Who knows? They both have smart people in their corner that advises them, maybe they are both right and both wrong.
All I know is one has tried to raise my taxes every chance they got and the other has already cut my taxes significantly. I like having control of more of MY money. That's the route I'm going. I'm not a military expert and I'm not a world peace expert, so I'm not going to pretend to know which one will do a better job in those areas.
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09/03/2004 11:13:22 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by e301:
Saw that too - facts collected by the editor of Vanity Fair. Warning to republicans: this will make you very angry indeed.
E |
There are several problems with that link:
1) When you list a "lot of facts", if even ONE can be shown to be is NOT factual, it calls into question all the others.
For example, the article says
"1972 Year that Bush walked away from his pilot duties in the Texas National Guard..."
There is no proof that Bush "walked away from his pilot duties" - hence, that is not a "fact".
2) There are a LOT of numbers being shown, but only a very few offer the SOURCE of the numbers - so as far as I'm concerned the rest could be completely fabricated
3) A lot of the numbers IMPLY that Bush is to blame - but, of course, he is NOT. Many of the things mentioned are the result of actions for which he is not responsible or capable of controlling ( e.g. legislation passed by THE CONGRESS ), and many are completely irrelevant.
For example, the article says
"$0 Amount approved by George Bush to hire more INS special agents."
Since George Bush can't approve spending bills that he isn't presented with, what relevence is this statement? Congress did not send him a bill to approve more money to hire more INS special agents - so how is this relevant?
4) Only BUSH bashing numbers are shown ( of course ) but no context is provided.
For example, the article says
"92 - Percentage of Iraq's urban areas with access to potable water in late 2002.
60 - Percentage of Iraq's urban areas with access to potable water in late 2003"
but what it DOESN'T say is
"95 - Percentage of Iraq's urban areas with access to potable water in 1990.
92 - Percentage of Iraq's urban areas with access to potable water in 1995
75 Percentage of Iraq's rural areas with access to potable water in 1990
44 Percentage of Iraq's rural areas with access to potable water in 1995"
These declines, of course, occurred during the Clinton administration, so would not be mentioned.
As for
"0 - Number of American combat deaths in Germany after the Nazi surrender in May 1945"
let me just say two things - first, Iraq has not surrendered; and second,
"0 - Number of Germans permitted to posess firearms following the surrender".
Can't say that about the Iraqi's, that's for sure. And why not? Because we OCCUPIED Germany but we are NOT OCCUPYING Iraq.
Ron
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09/03/2004 11:17:57 AM · #21 |
Even if only 25% of that list is true, it’s enough to get the point across.
Also, now that Bush has admitted flawed intelligence and CIA short comings and failures, etc. on the lead up to Iraq, why has nobody been fired? So, either some/many of his people were incompetent (or lied) and needed fired, or Bush is incompetent (or lied) and he needs fired.
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09/03/2004 11:43:34 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Even if only 25% of that list is true, it’s enough to get the point across.
Also, now that Bush has admitted flawed intelligence and CIA short comings and failures, etc. on the lead up to Iraq, why has nobody been fired? |
Since YOU have admitted posting erroneous information, why haven't YOU been barred from posting any more?
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
So, either some/many of his people were incompetent (or lied) and needed fired, or Bush is incompetent (or lied) and he needs fired. |
So, by extension, either YOU were incompetent, or lied and need to be barred.
But the U.S. is a democracy, so all you have to do is convince enough voters to agree with you, and Bingo - Bush's fired - and then Kerry can push to fire the CIA, the FBI, and the NSA just like he's wanted to do all these years. He really doesn't need them anyway - they only exist because the current administration is paranoid that there are actually people who hate us and want to kill us and are plotting to do so. With Kerry at the helm, that wouldn't be a problem because with him in charge, everyone would LIKE us and always want to NEGOTIATE with us if they disagreed with us or our way of life. And Kerry could settle all of those differences at the negotiating table.
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09/03/2004 12:02:04 PM · #23 |
| lol Ron, classic attack. Comparing me to the president of the most powerful country in the world in standards.. Nice. |
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09/03/2004 12:13:31 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Even if only 25% of that list is true, it’s enough to get the point across.
Also, now that Bush has admitted flawed intelligence and CIA short comings and failures, etc. on the lead up to Iraq, why has nobody been fired? So, either some/many of his people were incompetent (or lied) and needed fired, or Bush is incompetent (or lied) and he needs fired. |
so you think someone should be fired because they made a mistake? How is that going to change the situation? It wont change anything. The government WONT listen you you or any of us. Many Many large groups constantly hound the US government for changes to be made, but nothing ever really happens for the good of the people.
Or if it is done for the good of the people it is something that does more harm than good.
James
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09/03/2004 04:41:06 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by undieyatch:
Graphicfunk: Your partisanship is remarkable - a true missionary for your political affiliation.
I for one welcome politics at dpc and enjoy various members political opinions.
Yours is certianly heartfelt and sincere, without inclusion of endless quotations and reference to yesterdays blank links to CNN or Rush. (I might suggest Aquinas and Aristotle to your classics reading list)
However I am disappointed that I have seen relatively few photographic images where I believe the true basis of this or any topic should be at dpc.
Show me your observations, opinions, prejudice, paranoia, jingoism and propaganda in images......... |
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I always find it in bad taste to produce art to glorify Religion or our half-ass beliefs in politics. You see, the world divides quickly into opposing camps. The camps than loose themselves in their folly and they develop a distinct hate for each other. It appears the best thing men do is hate. So all political art and ideas are loved by the choir and hated by the opposition.
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