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02/21/2013 09:21:19 AM · #1051

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

You laugh but I know a lot of soldiers that are just as frustrated as me that if it came to that would not fight for the union.

Originally posted by Bear_Music:
So much for this:

Originally posted by Oath of Enlistment:
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Funny.......I was thinking the same thing....

Yes and I was also taught if I had an unlawful order...even from the president dot't follow it.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

02/21/2013 09:23:10 AM · #1052

wait what?

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

02/21/2013 09:45:07 AM · #1053

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

You laugh but I know a lot of soldiers that are just as frustrated as me that if it came to that would not fight for the union.

Originally posted by Bear_Music:
So much for this:

Originally posted by Oath of Enlistment:
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Funny.......I was thinking the same thing....

Yes and I was also taught if I had an unlawful order...even from the president dot't follow it.

And make sure your lawyer is good enough to prove the order was unlawful ...

02/21/2013 09:46:27 AM · #1054

OK we have gotten way off topic. Look I fought for this country as as my other brother and sisters in arms. We fight to defend our freedoms. One freedom is the 2nd ammendment. I'll I'll be damned if some Liberal is going to come in and strip me or anyone else of their freedoms.

02/21/2013 09:52:05 AM · #1055

i shudder when i hear that statement. you weren't fighting for our freedoms, they been established and lawyers do that now. Our freedoms have never been under attack from some foreign entity.

You and the other soldiers were merely protecting and serving US interests. which inst less admirable, but its much, much different.

Message edited by author 2013-02-21 14:53:28.

02/21/2013 10:00:34 AM · #1056

Im sorry but you really are clueless....What do you think Bin Laden / alquida were fightig to do...That is right they were fighting to destroy the US to try to eliminate the freedoms that we have.

Pentax D-FA* 70-200mm f/2.8 ED DC AW

02/21/2013 10:06:56 AM · #1057

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Im sorry but you really are clueless....What do you think Bin Laden / alquida were fightig to do...That is right they were fighting to destroy the US to try to eliminate the freedoms that we have.

you are kidding right?

K3Master

Pentax K-3

02/21/2013 10:10:43 AM · #1058

Are US soldiers that clueless?

Frightening.

02/21/2013 10:13:50 AM · #1059

bin laden and al queada attacked the US in protest of our occupancy of their lands and our interest in foreign oil which they felt we were unrightfully taking.

it was in our hubris that we are the United States and we know best that got us attacked and we retaliated, the intent was to draw us into a war we couldn't win in order to try to bankrupt us.

they could care less about our freedoms.

turn off fox news.

now i remember why i quit participating in this thread.

Message edited by author 2013-02-21 15:14:24.

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

02/21/2013 10:19:00 AM · #1060

you actually made me laugh....His goal was to reunite the "original muslim world" This included most of europe, north africa, the middle east and parts of asia. He also wanted to strip the right of women...among other things. The only reason why he was interested in oil was to pay for his war.

Cory

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

02/21/2013 10:36:39 AM · #1061

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

This is true and accurate. Your previous statement was anything but.

And Mike is quite right: You fought to defend/further the interests of the country - freedoms had very little to do with it, especially ours.

Kelli

Canon EOS-D60

Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

02/21/2013 10:39:38 AM · #1062

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Kelli:

Oh, but wars are good for the economy, right?

are they? seem to me we have been bankrupting this country for over a decade trying to "fix" a problem that is easily fixed by simple leaving.

I forgot the snark tags. Sorry. ;D

Judith Polakoff

Nikon D7000

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

02/21/2013 11:01:39 AM · #1063

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

I'll be damned if some Liberal is going to come in and strip me or anyone else of their freedoms.

Admit it, you really hope that they'll come for your guns because you're dying to use those guns for something other than shooting at critters and pictures of Muslims. You're living for the bloodbath right-wing radio and Fox News is fomenting.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

02/21/2013 11:15:20 AM · #1064

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

OK again you are regulating the law abiding citizen. So you are going to tell a hunter, or a target shooter, or someone trying to defend their property. that they can no longer use the weapons that they bought legally. Oh and it isnt hard to make your own ammo. Gunpowder is easy to make. The most difficult part is makining the primers.

This nation is coming closer to another civil war....guns are just the tip of the iceberg and may be the straw that broke the camel's back.

Do you honestly believe all this crap, or are you simply talking just to make noise. Assuming that there are a few hundred million guns in the USA, the number of people actually using them to protect their homes would be what? Of these millions, how many are actually hunters? How poor a shot are these hunters that they need these large magazines? Target shooting you say, no problem...register with a club and they can control the ammo.

The average schmuck wouldn't have a clue on how to make ammo, and where would they get the shells if the ammunition was controlled? You do know of course that spent shells have to be crimped before they can be imported into the USA... eventually don't you think you would run out of cartridges.

Civil war... just who would be involved in this scenario?

Looking forward to your response.

Ray

Message edited by author 2013-02-21 20:18:56.

thegrandwazoo

Nikon D750

02/21/2013 04:07:41 PM · #1065

Originally posted by RayEthier:

You do know of course that spent shells have to be crimped before they can be imported into the USA...

Ray

Never heard of this. I would love to see the reference as I searched and could not locate this quickly.

The reason, as far as I understand it, Nato Military small arms ammunition have crimped primers is because of primer flow and blow back. If the primer is not crimped and it dislodges do to pressure it could foul/damage/jam a firing pin or bolt rendering the firearm unusable. This of course means your keister in war time.

ETA: As an aside most reloading equipment manufactures sell a swage tool to de-crimp the primer pockets.

Message edited by author 2013-02-21 21:09:15.

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

02/21/2013 04:13:20 PM · #1066

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

Originally posted by RayEthier:
You do know of course that spent shells have to be crimped before they can be imported into the USA...

Ray

Never heard of this. I would love to see the reference as I searched and could not locate this quickly.

The reason, as far as I understand it, Nato Military small arms ammunition have crimped primers is because of primer flow and blow back. If the primer is not crimped and it dislodges do to pressure it could foul/damage/jam a firing pin or bolt rendering the firearm unusable. This of course means your keister in war time.

Regarding crimping, check with your local Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

I had never heard of this also, but found out a few weeks ago when a company was trying to ship spent cartridges to the USA from Canada and they were stopped at the border.

Oh, and regarding NATO Military small arms ammunition, I would not recommend anyone use those in civilian type weapons.

Something new all of the time.

Ray

Strikeslip

Canon EOS-5D

02/21/2013 04:18:54 PM · #1067

Crossbows and Ninja swords are the best solution.

Strikeslip

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

02/21/2013 04:19:37 PM · #1068

Oh fuck yeah... This thread ends now!

02/21/2013 04:22:49 PM · #1069

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Originally posted by mike_311:
ok, here is my solution.

make all new guns with new ammo, regulate the sales of the new guns heavily, and mean heavily.

now people can keep their old guns, the new ammo wont work in the old guns, no rights are infringed since you haven't banned guns and once the old ammo is gone the problem goes away.

as a bonus you create jobs making these new guns.

OK again you are regulating the law abiding citizen. So you are going to tell a hunter, or a target shooter, or someone trying to defend their property. that they can no longer use the weapons that they bought legally. Oh and it isnt hard to make your own ammo. Gunpowder is easy to make. The most difficult part is makining the primers.

This nation is coming closer to another civil war....guns are just the tip of the iceberg and may be the straw that broke the camel's back.

OK RAY...You took what I was saying out of context because you didn't use the rest of the quote. Mike stated that a solution to the prob would be quit making ALL ammo for current weapons.....Make new weapons with a different type of ammo. I take this as different calibers or different style/shaped casings. So the people with "current" weapons would either have to manufacture their ammo or buy completely new weapons.

Now on your target shooting....I go out to my farm all the time for target practice. I have a nice range. I don't normally go to the shooting range.

02/21/2013 04:30:55 PM · #1070

Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I'll be damned if some Liberal is going to come in and strip me or anyone else of their freedoms.

Admit it, you really hope that they'll come for your guns because you're dying to use those guns for something other than shooting at critters and pictures of Muslims. You're living for the bloodbath right-wing radio and Fox News is fomenting.

You are absolutely wrong. I do not want to take a life...I never have. I don't want to see a cop shot or a child or anyone else.
I understand that you are left wing. I also understand that alot...if not most liberals believe if they call 911 they will be there before anything bad happens. this is rarely the case. It takes around 6 min for the cops to show up at my house..(I set off my alarm) I am fairly close to the station. Alot can happen in 6 min

02/21/2013 04:42:54 PM · #1071

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Oh fuck yeah... This thread ends now!

wow, they just ignored you, you need to up your game.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

02/21/2013 04:46:18 PM · #1072

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Oh fuck yeah... This thread ends now!

wow, they just ignored you, you need to up your game.

Wait, wait... did he mean me?

Ray

thegrandwazoo

Nikon D750

02/21/2013 05:00:48 PM · #1073

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

Originally posted by RayEthier:
You do know of course that spent shells have to be crimped before they can be imported into the USA...

Ray

Never heard of this. I would love to see the reference as I searched and could not locate this quickly.

The reason, as far as I understand it, Nato Military small arms ammunition have crimped primers is because of primer flow and blow back. If the primer is not crimped and it dislodges do to pressure it could foul/damage/jam a firing pin or bolt rendering the firearm unusable. This of course means your keister in war time.

Regarding crimping, check with your local Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Well then if you can't cite the resource then how do you know if it is true. ;-P

Here is what I found //www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5330-3a.pdf

All that is required is an approved Form 6. The requirements and instruction sheet is towards the end of the pdf.

Originally posted by RayEthier:

I had never heard of this also, but found out a few weeks ago when a company was trying to ship spent cartridges to the USA from Canada and they were stopped at the border.

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Oh, and regarding NATO Military small arms ammunition, I would not recommend anyone use those in civilian type weapons.

I addressed this earlier in the thread but this is not completely accurate. First if the firearm meets NATO spec. from the manufacture it is completely safe.

The NATO rounds are:

9mm NATO
7.62x51 NATO
5.56x45mm NATO

OR

9mm Parabellum
.308 Winchester
.223 Remmington

The primary difference other than the Metric/Imperial measurement is that NATO guns don't have as tight of tolerances, for reliability reasons in the field, as their Imperial brothers. The power and pressure is slightly increased when shooting NATO in Imperial guns. The chamber lead is also slightly longer on a NATO gun.

I shoot precision rifle (match grade tolerances) with NATO ammo and I shoot Imperial ammo in my NATO guns. This includes multi-national samples that were imported and custom loaded ammo.

But I understand that the novice should adhere to the manufactures recommendations. There are links earlier in this thread supporting my opinion.

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Something new all of the time.

Ray

Indeed