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01/10/2013 04:19:59 AM · #451

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Yes, let's make the world MORE like prison. Great idea.

and how is living in a war zone any better?

You think the US is a war zone? You need to get out more.

no, but at the current rate and NRA solution that's what we will have. i dont want to live in a country we every carries guns for protection and the are armed guard protecting establishments.

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01/10/2013 04:43:24 AM · #452

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Yes, let's make the world MORE like prison. Great idea.

and how is living in a war zone any better?

You think the US is a war zone? You need to get out more.

no, but at the current rate and NRA solution that's what we will have. i dont want to live in a country we every carries guns for protection and the are armed guard protecting establishments.

And I think that is going to be the case no matter what. The real question is "should owning a gun be a crime"..

Besides, I don't want to live in a country where peoples grammar and English are embarrassingly poor. Guess we're both screwed huh? Welcome to the idiocracy war.

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01/10/2013 04:58:06 AM · #453

Originally posted by mike_311:

Not everyone does carry, nor will they.

There are armed guards and police protecting establishments anyway. Even the newspaper that thought it would be cute to publish the names and addresses of the people who had gun permits hired armed guards.

01/10/2013 05:18:38 AM · #454

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Yes, let's make the world MORE like prison. Great idea.

and how is living in a war zone any better?

Try living in Iraq where you had to deal with worse things than a rifle or handgun...I remember laying in bed listenining to the enemy walk mortars into where I was located. The US is not a warzone..I opt to keep it that way. However, I also opt to keep firearms to remain safe.

01/10/2013 05:21:02 AM · #455

I like what this town in Utah is doing....They have passed an ordinance that strongly suggests (not require) that every head of household buys a firearm....The state is also allowing teachers with permits carry to school

01/10/2013 05:26:42 AM · #456

Originally posted by Cory:

Besides, I don't want to live in a country where peoples grammar and English are embarrassingly poor. Guess we're both screwed huh? Welcome to the idiocracy war.

really the grammar argument again? are you going to start screaming about Nazis too?

01/10/2013 05:27:17 AM · #457

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

in contrast i think that the dumbest thing to do.

01/10/2013 05:28:00 AM · #458

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I like what this town in Utah is doing....They have passed an ordinance that strongly suggests (not require) that every head of household buys a firearm....The state is also allowing teachers with permits carry to school

in contrast i think that the dumbest thing to do.

Agreed. Statistics show this isn't going to end well.

01/10/2013 05:29:12 AM · #459

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Cory:

Besides, I don't want to live in a country where peoples grammar and English are embarrassingly poor. Guess we're both screwed huh? Welcome to the idiocracy war.

really the grammar argument again? are you going to start screaming about Nazis too?

Not unless you start including fascist rants within your grammatical atrocities. ;)

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01/10/2013 05:30:25 AM · #460

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I like what this town in Utah is doing....They have passed an ordinance that strongly suggests (not require) that every head of household buys a firearm....The state is also allowing teachers with permits carry to school

in contrast i think that the dumbest thing to do.
Agreed. Statistics show this isn't going to end well.

Huh. When did Utah try that before? Wasn't aware that any statistics were available on the experiment.

01/10/2013 05:30:37 AM · #461

sorry im not the best typer.

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01/10/2013 05:35:20 AM · #462

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I like what this town in Utah is doing....They have passed an ordinance that strongly suggests (not require) that every head of household buys a firearm....The state is also allowing teachers with permits carry to school

in contrast i think that the dumbest thing to do.
Agreed. Statistics show this isn't going to end well.

Huh. When did Utah try that before? Wasn't aware that any statistics were available on the experiment.

I meant simply having guns in the house and accidents occurring.

01/10/2013 05:37:05 AM · #463

Originally posted by mike_311:

sorry im not the best typer.

Bullshit. It's just the difference between not giving a crap and a modicum of effort.

Don't lay on the "poor stupid me" bs, I know just how smart and talented you are dude.

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01/10/2013 05:38:14 AM · #464

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I like what this town in Utah is doing....They have passed an ordinance that strongly suggests (not require) that every head of household buys a firearm....The state is also allowing teachers with permits carry to school

in contrast i think that the dumbest thing to do.
Agreed. Statistics show this isn't going to end well.

Huh. When did Utah try that before? Wasn't aware that any statistics were available on the experiment.
I meant simply having guns in the house and accidents occurring.

Ive got guns in my house and it seems to work out fine

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01/10/2013 05:48:14 AM · #465

Originally posted by Venser:

Again I please ask that if you are going to quote statistics to please cite your resources. And to your point I disagree and provide a resource to back it up.

"Gun politics in Switzerland are unique in Europe. Switzerland does not have a standing army, instead opting for a people's militia for its national defense. The vast majority of men between the ages of 20 and 30 are conscripted into the militia and undergo military training, including weapons training. The personal weapons of the militia are kept at home as part of the military obligations; Switzerland thus has one of the highest militia gun ownership rates in the world.[1] In recent times political opposition has expressed a desire for tighter gun regulations.[2] A referendum in February 2011 rejected stricter gun control.[3]"

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

Total number of Gun Homicides in 2010 in Switzerland - 40

//www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/switzerland

They are allowed to have Full Auto and Select Fire weapons. In the US full auto for civilians are very difficult to obtain legally.

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01/10/2013 06:01:02 AM · #466

You forgot to mention that everyone who has a military issued weapon you're referecing in Switzerland has done two years of military service and they have no ammo. Just read the article you cited and 99% of the issued ammunition has been returned. In Switzerland, if they decide to keep the their weapon, the fully automatic capability is removed. There is a regulatory requirement that ammunition sold at ranges must be used there. It's awesome you can cite an article, try reading it next time.

Lot different then the zero training required to purchase most weapons in the US without any tracking of most ammo.

Here's my graph for the other one. Don't know about you, but there's an obvious line of best fit through that data.

Message edited by author 2013-01-10 11:10:21.

thegrandwazoo

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01/10/2013 06:15:27 AM · #467

Originally posted by Venser:

You forgot to mention that everyone who has a weapon in Switzerland has gone two years of military service and they have no ammo. Just read the article you cited and 99% of the issued ammunition has been returned. In Switzerland, if they decide to keep the their weapon, the fully automatic capability is removed. There is a regulatory requirement that ammunition sold at ranges must be used there. It's awesome you can cite an article, try reading it next time.

Lot different then the zero training required to purchase most weapons in the US without any tracking of most ammo.

Here's my graph for the other one. Don't know about you, but there's an obvious line of best fit through that data.

Nice parsing Job. Looks like you missed the point and focused on the minutia. I would bet that I have read more on this topic than most in this thread. And although I posted the wiki link on Switzerland I would be happy to provide the same info from the Swiss Government if you would like. But your link provides some parsed data from wiki. If you are going to provide statistics please make them from a credible source.

From your link:

"At no point have I ever claimed that this is even close to a rigorous analysis. In my original tweet and here I have made it clear that I have used data from Wikipedia. Since I thought it was common knowledge that Wikipedia should never be used as a primary source for any kind of real research, I didnâ��t expect people to confuse this post with a serious study."

Message edited by author 2013-01-10 11:19:58.

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01/10/2013 06:23:41 AM · #468

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

I would bet that I have read more on this topic than most in this thread.

And? Appeal to authority fallacy.

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

Nice parsing Job. Looks like you missed the point and focused on the minutia.

The devil is in the details.

I see little reason to continue in this discussion with the three main opposing parties. There's going to be no movement, and thus I would rather vice my ballsack. Time to block rant.

thegrandwazoo

Nikon D750

01/10/2013 06:26:56 AM · #469

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
I would bet that I have read more on this topic than most in this thread.
And? Appeal to authority fallacy.

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Nice parsing Job. Looks like you missed the point and focused on the minutia.
The devil is in the details.

I see little reason to continue in this discussion with the three main opposing parties. There's going to be no movement, and thus I would rather vice my ballsack. Time to block rant.

OK if you feel that my expertise is a fallacy so be it and if you so deem, I will not stop you from taking your ball and going home.

Best regards,

-Erick

Message edited by author 2013-01-10 11:27:07.

01/10/2013 06:34:27 AM · #470

I tend to agree with the way switzerland does it. I have been there several times and it is a lovely country....You also feel safe there. Maybe guns = safe.....I dunno I am in favor of all households ( where all individuals are legal) having firearms.

01/10/2013 06:42:36 AM · #471

I would also like to add...I am in favor of tighter scrutiny on the background checks. However, I do have one reservation about that. I do know that at one time I was on the homeland security "watch list". The reason: not because I had done anything wrong...but because I was a soldier. At one point every soldier that had been deployed to Iraq or Afgahnistan was put on the watch list. If the govmt does that to honest soldiers that are defending our freedoms...what will they do to hones civillians.

I'm sorry but I have no proof to back this info up, but it was in the "The Stars and Stripes" (a military newspaper)

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01/10/2013 06:44:55 AM · #472

Originally posted by Venser:

If you were worried about fallacious arguments and debate opponents that would not change their minds- Its a wonder you made it this far.

Message edited by author 2013-01-10 11:45:31.

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01/10/2013 06:47:02 AM · #473

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

I actually LIVED there, from the ages of 12-15. I was in the Swiss Boy Scouts during that time, and it was fascinating the differences between the Swiss and USA versions. Since Switzerland has universal conscription, the boy scouts were basically a paramilitary organization training youth for their upcoming military service. So we played war games, did some weapons training, did winter bivouacking in the mountains and ski patrolling. Amazing experience, actually...