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01/16/2011 07:06:17 AM · #51 |
Funny. Never seen the movie. Going to watch it now. Thanks.
Message edited by author 2011-01-16 12:10:19. |
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01/16/2011 07:35:43 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by marbo:
Carry a gun, you must be joking.
What would happen if everyone was allowed a gun.
I bet there would be 1000`s of deaths. |
Everyone's NOT allowed a gun. The criminals will have guns, regardless of the law. |
I'm a criminal and I haven't got a gun. |
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01/16/2011 07:37:17 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by raish:
I'm a criminal and I haven't got a gun. |
LMFAO
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01/16/2011 04:49:15 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by ambaker:
Originally posted by marbo:
Carry a gun, you must be joking.
What would happen if everyone was allowed a gun.
I bet there would be 1000`s of deaths. |
We tried that. It was called The Wild West... |
Unfortunately the US still is the Wild West when it comes to guns. |
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01/17/2011 07:48:50 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by ShutterPug:
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Like Juliett, I do carry a good and very sharp hunting knife with me... |
So, in essence, you're bringing a knife to a gunfight?
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01/17/2011 07:52:30 AM · #56 |
| drunk driving causes at least twice as many deaths as guns. alcohol does not however, ever protect one from anything or put food on the table. hence i propose that it is put at double the hatred and disgust and protest as firearms.... |
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01/17/2011 08:22:12 AM · #57 |
We should really start at the top of the list:
435,000 Tobacco
365,000 Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity
85,000 Alcohol
75,000 Microbial Agents
55,000 Toxic Agents
26,347 Motor Vehicle Crashes
32,000 Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs
30,622 Suicide
29,000 Incidents Involving Firearms
20,308 Homicide
20,000 Sexual Behaviors
17,000 All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect
7,600 Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin
0 Marijuana
Source: //drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30
I read somewhere else that half of all gun related deaths are suicide, and that shouldn't really count. They will find another way. It looks like if we all started smoking pot it would be a better world. |
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01/17/2011 08:26:50 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by ambaker:
Originally posted by marbo:
Carry a gun, you must be joking.
What would happen if everyone was allowed a gun.
I bet there would be 1000`s of deaths. |
We tried that. It was called The Wild West... |
I thought Wild West was a Hollywood created myth. |
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01/17/2011 08:47:24 AM · #59 |
| 63% of all statistics are made up or skewed for a particular use. 75% of the preceding sentence might be true. |
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01/17/2011 08:57:24 AM · #60 |
Originally posted by marnet:
Originally posted by ambaker:
Originally posted by marbo:
Carry a gun, you must be joking.
What would happen if everyone was allowed a gun.
I bet there would be 1000`s of deaths. |
We tried that. It was called The Wild West... |
I thought Wild West was a Hollywood created myth. |
If anything, Hollywood toned it down. |
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01/17/2011 09:22:56 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
63% of all statistics are made up or skewed for a particular use. 75% of the preceding sentence might be true. |
How To Lie With Statistics |
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01/17/2011 10:32:01 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by marnet:
Originally posted by ambaker:
Originally posted by marbo:
Carry a gun, you must be joking.
What would happen if everyone was allowed a gun.
I bet there would be 1000`s of deaths. |
We tried that. It was called The Wild West... |
I thought Wild West was a Hollywood created myth. |
If anything, Hollywood toned it down. |
Nooooooo say it aint so!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
I live in the wild west! about 5 miles away in fact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol |
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01/17/2011 01:14:54 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
Unfortunately the US still is the Wild West when it comes to guns. |
Not so. The "wild west" had much stricter gun contols Among his duties as Marshall of Abilene Kansas, "Wild Bill" Hickok made sure any person entering the city who didn't wear a badge, did so without a gun on his person. You see, our view of "gun rights" is a pretty recent invention. |
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01/17/2011 01:24:06 PM · #64 |
I'm just glad that the US is the gun problem capital of the world. Just think if guns were rampant in the Middle East, or the Baltics, or the former states of Yugoslavia, or even Africa....
Yep, good thing the Americans are the gun owners. In other lands lots of people might get killed... |
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01/17/2011 01:37:27 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by ambaker:
I'm just glad that the US is the gun problem capital of the world. Just think if guns were rampant in the Middle East, or the Baltics, or the former states of Yugoslavia, or even Africa....
Yep, good thing the Americans are the gun owners. In other lands lots of people might get killed... |
LOL... Didn't I mention somewhere that it's odd that we seem to be the focus of this when there are nations that have a far greater prevalence of weapons? Hell, you can't even buy a good RPG in this country, let alone a few grenades for home defense.. :) |
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01/17/2011 02:13:59 PM · #66 |
| The only gun I own is an old single shot 22 rifle I got when I was younger and it is only used for target shooting, I have no desire to carry a gun but if I did it would be to scare people from other countries because thats what we do:). |
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01/17/2011 02:31:52 PM · #67 |
In the US it's mostly a matter of freedom to make our own decisions about such things, and a certain amount of self-sufficiency and independence. I live in country-boy central, but of all the people I know, only one has a CC permit, and he only keeps a piece in his glovebox, not on his person.
I understand a person feeling he can protect his family much better NOW than the police can in 8 or 10 minutes when they get there. That is a personal decision.
And I would way rather an intruder feel he might possibly run into an armed homeowner than one that is most assuredly disarmed by government.
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01/17/2011 02:37:21 PM · #68 |
I carry a gun every where i go. I am a part time police officer. Anyone that thinks a criminal will just take your stuff and leave you alone is living a dream. If everyone carried a gun how many people do you think would have been shot in Arizona before someone killed him? How many criminals walk in a police station and start shooting. they are cowards they want to have the advantage over people. If I have a gun they will leave me alone and go get some of yall that don't have one. I do not want to kill anyone but I will do what ever is needed to protect people and my family from criminals trying to harm them.
Message edited by author 2011-01-17 19:40:52. |
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01/17/2011 02:46:01 PM · #69 |
Seeing as one of my friends was killed and the other is still in hospital and my children and I where at the funeral of Christina, as my daughter was her classmate. You are out of order.
Sorry but you are. You have no idea as to what you are talking about.
Edited to add: You have no idea how fast this happened. You also have no idea as to how many other people would have been injured or killed that day if there had been other people there with guns. You just can not comprehend how fast this was and there was no way to stop it.
Message edited by author 2011-01-17 19:52:27. |
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01/17/2011 03:10:57 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by moondog:
If everyone carried a gun how many people do you think would have been shot in Arizona before someone killed him? |
The exact same number. Joe Zamudio was among those who ran towards the gunfire, and he was wearing a gun. He snapped off the safety, half drew the weapon and told the guy with the gun âDrop it, drop it!â.
The man who Zamudio almost shot was actually holding Loughnerâs gun, which he has wrestled away from the shooter seconds before.
âI was very lucky,â Zamudio continued. âHonestly, it was a matter of seconds. Two, maybe three seconds between when I came through the doorway and when I was laying on top of [the real shooter], holding him down. So, I mean, in that short amount of time I made a lot of really big decisions really fast. ⦠I was really lucky.â
So we almost had seven dead, thank goodness Mr. Zamudio stayed calm in a very tense situation and never fully cleared his holster, had their been more guns we might have had more deaths. |
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01/17/2011 03:12:30 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by TonyT:
We should really start at the top of the list:
435,000 Tobacco
365,000 Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity
85,000 Alcohol
75,000 Microbial Agents
55,000 Toxic Agents
26,347 Motor Vehicle Crashes
32,000 Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs
30,622 Suicide
29,000 Incidents Involving Firearms
20,308 Homicide
20,000 Sexual Behaviors
17,000 All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect
7,600 Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin
0 Marijuana
Source: //drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30
I read somewhere else that half of all gun related deaths are suicide, and that shouldn't really count. They will find another way. It looks like if we all started smoking pot it would be a better world. |
And so because smoking kills more people than firearms, the 29,000 people killed by guns can just be ignored?
After hearing the oft-repeated 'guns don't kill people, people kill people' and 'when you outlaw guns, the only people with guns will be outlaws' type of cliches, I decided to keep an open mind and seek out some objective data for gun homicides in the US compared to here in Australia. Our countries share much in common, including both being relatively affluent, multicultural western democracies, but with very different controls on gun ownership. Data is quite easy to get for Australia because it is published by govt. It's a little more difficult to find hard data for the US as the waters are muddied somewhat by pro and anti gun lobby groups trying to twist stats to suit their arguments. However, working on the most conservative estimates, the firearm-only homicide rate in the US is around 5 people per 100,000. In Australia the total homicide rate (of which firearms make up only a small %) is 1.2 people per 100,000. It is clear (to me at least) from these figures that the arugment that people will kill by another means when firearms aren't available simply does not hold water. Either people in the US have a greater predisposition to killing each other than we do in Oz, or the link between firearms and homicide rates appears obvious. And don't forget, these are only figures for homicides. The number of non-fatal shootings, both intentional and accidental, and gun-suicides in the US is mind-boggling.
Again, just my (objective) $0.02.
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01/17/2011 03:29:51 PM · #72 |
| Qiki - filter out gang violence and see if the stats are then more similar. I don't know, but seems to me that's where your biggest difference would be. |
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01/17/2011 03:34:33 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by farfel53:
Qiki - filter out gang violence and see if the stats are then more similar. I don't know, but seems to me that's where your biggest difference would be. |
With what justification would one filter out gang violence? Are guns unrelated to gang violence, except as 'tools of the trade', or are they an integral part of gang culture? Obviously I have no experience with US gangs, but I was of the impression that drugs and firearms were an integral part of the scene? Much as they are in the outlaw bikie scene here in Australia. |
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01/17/2011 03:45:05 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by TonyT:
We should really start at the top of the list:
435,000 Tobacco
0 Marijuana |
This one really made me laugh! Tobacco kills by being smoked and people who smoke it die. 435,000 of them. How exactly are the people who are counted as using marijuana using it? Making herbal rubs out of it? If smoking tobacco kills, smoking marijuana kills. Of course IMHO if you want to kill yourself through tobacco, weed, or turning a gun on yourself, thats your business. But if your going to quote numbers at me, don't make the B.S. so obvious
Message edited by author 2011-01-17 20:46:24. |
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01/17/2011 03:50:56 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by Qiki:
... Either people in the US have a greater predisposition to killing each other than we do in Oz, or the link between firearms and homicide rates appears obvious. And don't forget, these are only figures for homicides..... |
These are only 2 of the hundreds of variables needed to get a grasp of the situation.
Of the US territories, I heard that the US Virgin Islands has the largest murder rate. Most of that is gang related violence and most of the murders are gang members killing other gang members. Should you really count those in your statistics? |
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