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08/26/2010 10:46:58 AM · #1 |
| Which one do you think it's better and why? |
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08/26/2010 11:11:22 AM · #2 |
First, I don't know anything about the 1000D. And I don't intend starting a brand war here.
So, the Nikon D3000 is a basic entry level model. It is simple to use and has a prompt menu that can be used if you are unsure of what you are doing. It is 10.75 megapixel DSLR with a 3" LCD screen on the back. It uses SD cards, which are cheap to buy. It can use any Nikon lens and you may be surprised to note that picture quality is extremely high when used with a Nikkor lens. I did a comparison test a few months ago, using a selection of lenses on a D300, D90 and a D3000, apart from the file sizes, it was hard at first glance to tell which camera/lens combo took which photo.
Pricewise, very good at the moment as the D3100 has just been announced.
Hope that helps a bit and that someone will pipe in with Canon 1000D comparison. I would bet there is very little difference and it is all down to personal choice.
Also check out DPReview for comprehensive tests.
Message edited by author 2010-08-26 15:13:27. |
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08/26/2010 11:55:31 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by SteveJ:
I would bet there is very little difference and it is all down to personal choice. |
Pretty much that. It is Canon's entry level Rebel model. The nearest current equivalent of the Rebel Xt I used to have. 10 Mp, Live view. A kit with the 18-55 IS lens is usually selling for about $500 these days, but if you shop the sales you can find it for $450 USD. On the used market you can find them for even less. I saw one on Craigslist this afternoon advertised for $200 body only, no battery, no lens. That might be too good of a deal and is slightly suspicious to me.
The biggest difference is really going to be how well you like the ergonomics and how to access the functions. As SteveJ said, you'll need to get them both in your hands to see. Both Canon and Nikon make good stuff and there is a large aftermarket for them. You won't be disappointed with either. |
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08/26/2010 12:39:09 PM · #4 |
From Nikons website about the D3000..
Compatible Lenses AF-S, AF-I: All functions supported
IX Nikkor lenses cannot be used
Electronic Rangefinder usable with lens with maximum aperture of f/5.6 or faster
Type G or D AF NIKKOR not equipped with an autofocus motor: All functions supported except autofocus
AF-NIKKOR for F3AF not supported
Type D PC NIKKOR: All functions supported except some shooting modes
Non-Type G or D AF NIKKOR not equipped with an autofocus motor: All functions supported except 3D color matrix metering II and autofocus
AI-P NIKKOR: All functions supported except 3D color matrix metering II
Non-CPU: Autofocus not supported. Can be used in exposure mode d, but exposure meter does not function
what this means here, is that most of your lenses will need to be AF-S for nikon, HSM for sigma, and so on.. your lenses need to have a built in motor because there is no motor built into the camera to move the auto focus, other lenses will work but only in manual focus. i have this with my D40x and at times it gets annoying to be limited, dont get me wrong there are a lot of lenses you can still get that have the built in motor but some of them have a big price tag attached to them. either way i cant agree more with what has already been put out there, a camera is a tool used to complete an image you have, in the end it all comes down to personal choice and what feels comfortable to you. you will be happy with either. and some times its better to hold out a little bit longer (saving) to get the next step up in model, ive had my D40x for a few years now and about 9 Nikon cameras have been put out since then, the D40/D40x is concitered an entry-level camera and ive been iching for am upgrade for a while now. heres a page with a chart at the bottem that can help Here! I hope this helps in some way. A camrea is a camera and they are all great at what that do.
Message edited by author 2010-08-26 16:42:37. |
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08/26/2010 12:43:59 PM · #5 |
I love my Rebel 1000D very happy, its light, works great, I got a great deal on mine used, and I couldnt be happier.
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08/26/2010 12:45:38 PM · #6 |
| The tests I did were with the Nikkor 18-200mm DX lens, Tamron 18-250mm DX lens and the Nikkor 70-300mm FF/DX lens. So it seems most modern Nikkor, Sigma and Tamron lenses will work quite well, with AF and metering, with the D3000. |
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08/26/2010 01:03:35 PM · #7 |
n/m
Message edited by author 2010-08-26 17:04:24. |
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08/26/2010 01:05:25 PM · #8 |
The D3000 was called "Nikon's worst dSLR" by Ken Rockwell. Around here, Ken Rockwell isn't the most respected person, but many people would agree - it really is Nikon's worst dSLR. The D3100 was just announced (on sale mid-September), hoping to remedy the D3000's issues and add some new features. I think it's a better choice for many reasons, one of which is video; all of Nikon's current offerings are video-capable (except the D3X), and the D3100 is the first to have true H.264 (most widely used HD format) video. The D3100 improves on other aspects as well, but I won't list everything here.
D3000 - $500 w/18-55mm VR
D3100 - $700 w/18-55mm VR (not sold separately)
D5000 - $650 w/18-55mm VR
You gain so much more for that extra two hundred between the D3000 and D3100... why not wait a few weeks and get the D3100? Don't go for the D5000 - less megapixels, lower-res video, heavier, and no AF while recording video; it does have a slightly faster continuous speed, a flip screen, and possibly just a tad higher image quality (not sure about that one), but it's still not worth it IMO.
Message edited by author 2010-08-26 19:55:27. |
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08/26/2010 01:24:06 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by SteveJ:
The tests I did were with the Nikkor 18-200mm DX lens, Tamron 18-250mm DX lens and the Nikkor 70-300mm FF/DX lens. So it seems most modern Nikkor, Sigma and Tamron lenses will work quite well, with AF and metering, with the D3000. |
Modern Nikkor lenses are also expensive. An 50mm f/1.4D is $330, whereas an AF-S 50mm f/1.4G is $440. There's not much improvement in the actual performance of the lens (some would say the older "D" lens is better). |
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08/26/2010 01:27:07 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by George:
Originally posted by SteveJ:
The tests I did were with the Nikkor 18-200mm DX lens, Tamron 18-250mm DX lens and the Nikkor 70-300mm FF/DX lens. So it seems most modern Nikkor, Sigma and Tamron lenses will work quite well, with AF and metering, with the D3000. |
Modern Nikkor lenses are also expensive. An 50mm f/1.4D is $330, whereas an AF-S 50mm f/1.4G is $440. There's not much improvement in the actual performance of the lens (some would say the older "D" lens is better). |
I understand what you are saying, I was just pointing out to the OP that he is not limited to a certain range of lenses:) |
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08/26/2010 01:29:17 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by SteveJ:
Originally posted by George:
Originally posted by SteveJ:
The tests I did were with the Nikkor 18-200mm DX lens, Tamron 18-250mm DX lens and the Nikkor 70-300mm FF/DX lens. So it seems most modern Nikkor, Sigma and Tamron lenses will work quite well, with AF and metering, with the D3000. |
Modern Nikkor lenses are also expensive. An 50mm f/1.4D is $330, whereas an AF-S 50mm f/1.4G is $440. There's not much improvement in the actual performance of the lens (some would say the older "D" lens is better). |
I understand what you are saying, I was just pointing out to the OP that he is not limited to a certain range of lenses:) |
Yes he is. Expensive ones, if he wants to get his money's worth. If he wants to throw away money, he can settle for an AF or AF-D lens and lose autofocus, or a non-AI/AI/AI-S manual focus lens and lose metering. |
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08/26/2010 02:35:30 PM · #12 |
thanks for all the answers. I have couple of questions, maybe some of them silly. I've watched couple of youtube videos about these two cameras and few things bug me
-so nighter of them has movie recording?
-I saw that the canon 1000d has "manual" focus to choose from the menu, but can I do that manually with my hand, it's faster that way for me.
-and the sell's man told me that the nikon d3000 you can manually focus with the hand, but I didn't understand does that mean you don't have auto focus at all or he meant that you can't manually focus with the menu |
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08/26/2010 02:40:41 PM · #13 |
Nikon rumours had something about a D7000 coming out soon, which is supposed to be the replacement for the D90. I cant give you the link though, because nikonrumurs.com is coming up as an attack site due to a trojan virus they had today.
ETA: Found another site with info on the D7000:
//www.electronista.com/articles/10/08/23/nikon.d7000.may.launch.pre.photokina/
Message edited by author 2010-08-26 18:41:32. |
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08/26/2010 03:54:45 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by VitaminB:
Nikon rumours had something about a D7000 coming out soon, which is supposed to be the replacement for the D90. I cant give you the link though, because nikonrumurs.com is coming up as an attack site due to a trojan virus they had today.
ETA: Found another site with info on the D7000:
//www.electronista.com/articles/10/08/23/nikon.d7000.may.launch.pre.photokina/ |
The D7000 (or D95) is expected mid-September, which would be about a week before Photokina. It should have the old features of the D90, with the best of the features introduced in the D3000, D3100, and D5000. It should also have a new made-by-Nikon sensor; until we see sample images from the D3100 and how they compare to the Sony sensors in current Nikons, we won't know how much better these made-by-Nikon sensors perform, but they're probably a good amount better.
HOWEVER, the D7000 will be at or above the D90's price, so at or above $900 without a lens. In my post above, I noted that you can get a D3000 for as low as $500, D3100 for $700, D5000 for $650... all with kit lenses. The D7000 is precisely the reason I asked  purifier how much he's planning on spending on the camera and lenses. If he'd said $1200, I'd say get the D7000 and a single zoom lens (18-105 VR?), but if he'd said $900, I'd say get the D3100 with two lenses (there's an 18-55 + 55-200 kit for $950, which isn't too big a stretch). |
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08/26/2010 04:08:26 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by purifier:
thanks for all the answers. I have couple of questions, maybe some of them silly. I've watched couple of youtube videos about these two cameras and few things bug me
-so nighter of them has movie recording?
-I saw that the canon 1000d has "manual" focus to choose from the menu, but can I do that manually with my hand, it's faster that way for me.
-and the sell's man told me that the nikon d3000 you can manually focus with the hand, but I didn't understand does that mean you don't have auto focus at all or he meant that you can't manually focus with the menu |
The D3000 doesn't have video recording, but the new D3100 does (it also has a whole bunch of other new features, better image quality, and 14MP). If you can afford a $700 kit, get the D3100.
The 1000D also lacks video recording. In Canon's lineup, the closest to the D3100 (fairly cheap, records HD videos) are the T1i and the T2i, but they're a year behind, and I'd recommend getting the T2i if you want to go with Canon; the kit is $800.
I can see why you'd want the 1000D - it's $500 for the kit. Resist the urge to buy the old entry level camera at a super-low price, and pay a little more to buy either (1) the newest entry level [Nikon D3100, $700] or (2) a low-to-midrange model [Nikon D7000, probably $1200 kit].
I don't think you can manual focus without physically grabbing the focus ring on any dSLR. What he may have meant was instant manual-focus override, which the D3000's kit lens does NOT have. It's a feature where the lens doesn't have "M" and "A" for manual and autofocus, but "M" and "M/A" (or "A/M") - on those lenses, you autofocus in "M/A" mode and then can grab the ring and adjust the focus manually before actually taking the shot. Again, the D3000 and D3100's kit lens does NOT have this feature, so I'm not quite sure what the guy was talking about.
Message edited by author 2010-08-26 20:17:31. |
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08/26/2010 04:14:43 PM · #16 |
| around 500$ that's why I picked this two, maybe later to buy a better lenses. Anyway with couple more reviews I figured out the questions above. I'm only interested in one final thing. Which one is better for macro shooting and night shooting? |
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08/26/2010 04:14:58 PM · #17 |
The D3000 has better autofocus than the D60, and a more cumbersome menu. Otherwise they are nearly identical. Having shot with both, as well as a D80 and D300s, "worst Nikon DSLR" isn't really true.
The specs say that the D3100 will be a better camera, but until we see images that isn't certain. For someone who does not have legacy lenses the lack of D/G autofocus support isn't that great of a hinderance: AFS lenses are not that expensive, often have VR in their current incarnations, and these cameras also leave option of Sigma HSM or Tamron BIM lenses. And if you want a starter prime, the AFS 35mm is a better, less expensive DX choice than the 50mm anyway. I suspect that someone looking at the entry level cameras does not have prime and super-telephoto lenses in mind anyway - but are instead likely to consider solid consume lenses (18-55VR and 55-200VR), or a superzoom. The camera you have today will take pictures the camera you have tomorrow won't.
I have recently seen refurbished D3000s from less than $300 (body only).
Message edited by author 2010-08-26 20:16:32. |
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08/26/2010 04:15:49 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by George:
Originally posted by VitaminB:
Nikon rumours had something about a D7000 coming out soon, which is supposed to be the replacement for the D90. I cant give you the link though, because nikonrumurs.com is coming up as an attack site due to a trojan virus they had today.
ETA: Found another site with info on the D7000:
//www.electronista.com/articles/10/08/23/nikon.d7000.may.launch.pre.photokina/ |
The D7000 (or D95) is expected mid-September, which would be about a week before Photokina. It should have the old features of the D90, with the best of the features introduced in the D3000, D3100, and D5000. It should also have a new made-by-Nikon sensor; until we see sample images from the D3100 and how they compare to the Sony sensors in current Nikons, we won't know how much better these made-by-Nikon sensors perform, but they're probably a good amount better.
HOWEVER, the D7000 will be at or above the D90's price, so at or above $900 without a lens. In my post above, I noted that you can get a D3000 for as low as $500, D3100 for $700, D5000 for $650... all with kit lenses. The D7000 is precisely the reason I asked purifier how much he's planning on spending on the camera and lenses. If he'd said $1200, I'd say get the D7000 and a single zoom lens (18-105 VR?), but if he'd said $900, I'd say get the D3100 with two lenses (there's an 18-55 + 55-200 kit for $950, which isn't too big a stretch). |
Yes, it will be more expensive than the D1000, and the D90. But I also saw that it will have dual card slots, 1080p video, and a viewfinder with 100 percent coverage. ISO is expected to go to 25,600, and 16-18 Megapixels.
I had not heard that it will have a made-by-nikon sensor... I would be interested to see how it turns out as well, I am hoping to get the successor to the D700. |
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08/26/2010 04:17:51 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by purifier:
around 500$ that's why I picked this two, maybe later to buy a better lenses. Anyway with couple more reviews I figured out the questions above. I'm only interested in one final thing. Which one is better for macro shooting and night shooting? |
For macro, it really depends on the lens. Night shooting, I know from experience that the Nikon D90 and D300 have excellent noise control at high ISO. I cannot comment on the Canon, though I am sure it would be comparable. |
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08/26/2010 04:21:04 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by VitaminB:
I am hoping to get the successor to the D700. |
Ooh, I like your strategy. Jump a generation, jump a level. I'm assuming you'll be getting the D4 in a couple years? |
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08/26/2010 04:26:30 PM · #21 |
| and about those series...D3100...D7000...it's more likely armageddon to arrive sooner than those cameras to appear in our few professional photography stores :D A year ago I was desperately seeking the Fujifilm S9xxx series, only to buy a mediocre S1500 :/ |
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08/26/2010 04:35:21 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by purifier:
around 500$ that's why I picked this two, maybe later to buy a better lenses. Anyway with couple more reviews I figured out the questions above. I'm only interested in one final thing. Which one is better for macro shooting and night shooting? |
For night shooting, it depends. What bothers you more in High ISO images, color noise or luminance noise? The Canon has more color noise but better fine detail, the D3000 has more (bigger) luminance noise (worse fine detail), but not as much color noise.
Personally, I prefer the Canon, as I'd just have to run it through Noiseware Community Edition (freeware) on a setting like "Stronger Color" to remove those blotches, and then I have a sharp, clean image... then if I want stronger colors, I can bump up the saturation a bit in FastStone Image Viewer (also freeware), and I have a great image. With the Nikon, I'd lose a lot of detail by trying to reduce the noise in Noiseware, making for pretty soft images with a lot of lost detail.
For macro, the lens matters a lot more. I like my Nikon lens because it focuses down to 11"; the Canon focuses down to 10"... not a huge difference. In any case, you won't be getting true macro images with the kit lens (close, but not close enough)... you can try adding a close-up filter in front (a set of +1, +2, and +4 sells for about $35 new), but you'll lose a bit of optical quality and have to physically get super close to the subject; with a true macro lens, your working distance (front of lens to subject) is much bigger.
Originally posted by purifier:
and about those series...D3100...D7000...it's more likely armageddon to arrive sooner than those cameras to appear in our few professional photography stores :D |
In the US, the D3100 will be available mid-September for $800 (available as a kit only; the two-lens kit is $950); it was announced within the last week. The D7000 hasn't even been announced yet. The Canon 60D has also been announced and looks like a great deal at $1400 for the kit. You can expect cameras to be announced around this time - Photokina's in a month.
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08/26/2010 04:43:08 PM · #23 |
Check it: www.dsoptix.com (sorry don't know how to parse linkys)
That is the site where you can go and compare, side by side, any Nikon against any Canon (or Nikon vs Nikon, Canon vs Canon etc) and get far more info on both than you can shake a stick at.
Hell thanks to that site I now know my D90 kicks the Canon 5D's ass all over town for dynamic range! And for what it is, it sure as hell holds it own even against the Canon 5D II. ;-) |
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08/26/2010 04:51:13 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Check it: www.dsoptix.com DxO Mark (sorry don't know how to parse linkys)
That is the site where you can go and compare, side by side, any Nikon against any Canon (or Nikon vs Nikon, Canon vs Canon etc) and get far more info on both than you can shake a stick at.
Hell thanks to that site I now know my D90 kicks the Canon 5D's ass all over town for dynamic range! And for what it is, it sure as hell holds it own even against the Canon 5D II. ;-) |
Second checkmark under the box in which you type. First is "Show Signature," second is "Automatically Parse URLs"
And WHOA, it really does! (I'm on DPReview, and their tests claim the same thing)
Also: link changed.
Message edited by author 2010-08-27 09:22:35.
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08/26/2010 05:31:46 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Check it: www.dsoptix.com (sorry don't know how to parse linkys)
That is the site where you can go and compare, side by side, any Nikon against any Canon (or Nikon vs Nikon, Canon vs Canon etc) and get far more info on both than you can shake a stick at.
Hell thanks to that site I now know my D90 kicks the Canon 5D's ass all over town for dynamic range! And for what it is, it sure as hell holds it own even against the Canon 5D II. ;-) |
Perhaps you mean //www.dxomark.com/index.php ? |
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