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07/08/2002 04:53:06 PM · #26 |
My $.02.
If the picture at least resembles fear, let them have it. Proceed to judge the photo on its photographic quality. If they do not have anything that comes close to being fear, give them a 1. I do that for every challenge. To me there is no grey as to whether you met the challenge, its simply yes or no.
The problem I'm having is what do I do with pictures title such as "Fearless" or "No Fear". The challenge was FEAR not LACK OF FEAR!!!! How the hell do I rate these?!
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07/08/2002 04:55:55 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by chariot:
My $.02.
If the picture at least resembles fear, let them have it. Proceed to judge the photo on its photographic quality. If they do not have anything that comes close to being fear, give them a 1. I do that for every challenge. To me there is no grey as to whether you met the challenge, its simply yes or no.
The problem I'm having is what do I do with pictures title such as "Fearless" or "No Fear". The challenge was FEAR not LACK OF FEAR!!!! How the hell do I rate these?!
I know what you mean. I felt the same way. It's about FEAR not lack of.
So I did the same as the ones the titles were their only hope..I voted what I thought the challenge was and per the rules:)
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07/08/2002 05:38:41 PM · #28 |
I'm having a real bad week here. Some folks think I did a great job while others are burning me at the stake for "making light" or "joking" about a very serious situation. I shot what scared me the most in the best way I could and some folks seem to think I was making fun of the tremendous tradgidy many have to go through.
Sometimes the bear eats you...
... and sometimes the game warden busts you for eating the bear. |
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07/08/2002 05:54:58 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by myqyl:
Sometimes the bear eats you...
... and sometimes the game warden busts you for eating the bear.
Hmmmmmmm, new DPChallenge slogan? (Just kidding!!!)
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07/08/2002 06:57:24 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by PhotosByAyme:
... arent you voting on each image indivually? and however that image moves you - FEAR or not ... that's how you should vote on them.
FEAR or not ? that's how you should vote on them? however that image moves you.
Are you saying it does not matter if you see or feel 'FEAR' when you view the photo? Why in the world do we have a topic at all! I'll bet this feller Adams you all talk about would disqualify a photo and tell the photographer they were nuts to enter it if it didn't fit the challenge.
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07/08/2002 07:16:54 PM · #31 |
| I have to say that not only am I having a hard time voting, but I had a hard time finding a pic for this challenge as well. (And it shows) This is only my 3rd challenge and I have been in the top 15 in both of my other ones, this time I have to be running close to very last. Oh well, there is next week. |
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07/08/2002 07:35:15 PM · #32 |
| Why is it that everyone thinks that they suppose to get scared by looking at the photo? Capture fear was the theme right? If you see someone, or something that is scared, that doesn't automatically make you scared? I submitted a photo of "something" that was really scared, and the photo shows it, but in the comments and low scores I get, the reply is that the "something" doesn't scare them, so it's a bad photo! |
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07/08/2002 07:41:32 PM · #33 |
One thing that's interesting about this challenge is that in the month I've been here, every week we go out as illustrators, of something transparrent, on the road, something new, something borrowed, something blue....and this week we have to tell a story, not just illustrate it. In another thread recently we were talking about Ansel Adams and it was mentioned that he cared less about if his pictures looked like Half Dome, etc. really looked, than how they were SUPPOSED to look. If we aspire to be photographers we should be telling a story like that. How is the fear supposed to look, how can we communicate it? There's too damn few that do, and the ones that succeed, like myqyl's succeed only too well.
On another note, I agree with crisa58 that the technical quality is way down this week. Macro is cool, but if you do it, get enough deph of field to do it right. Close ups are great, but not when they're closer that the lens can focus. |
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07/08/2002 07:57:52 PM · #34 |
I think so many scrambled for a photo this week that they missed the mark. There are a very few that IMHO show fear and a LOT that are more a random photo and not artistic.
ok shoot me now...I''m prepared:)
* This message has been edited by the author on 7/8/2002 11:58:48 PM.
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07/08/2002 08:04:33 PM · #35 |
| Most of the voters seem to have missed the point of what they must vote for. The photographer was supposed to capture HIS interpretation of his fear in WHATEVER SHAPE OF FORM IT IS. So if a spider scares him to death, its his interpretation of fear. Don't knock him down just because YOU aren't scared of it. Do give some credit to the photograph itself, there are some good ones there. Remember they have depicted what scares them, whether its a spider, sea creature or police boat. |
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07/08/2002 08:11:14 PM · #36 |
'This one might take a little more thought. Photograph your best interpretation of 'Fear' in any shape or form."
I think people are reading more into the challenge than what the challenge actually said.
It didn't say what scares you..not YOUR fear..just the emotion fear in whatever form you can capture it...pretty wide open to me :-)
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07/08/2002 08:19:36 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by hokie:
'This one might take a little more thought. Photograph your best interpretation of 'Fear' in any shape or form."
I think people are reading more into the challenge than what the challenge actually said.
It didn't say what scares you..not YOUR fear..just the emotion fear in whatever form you can capture it...pretty wide open to me :-)
Exactly right hokie, it sounds like everyone is expecting to get scared by looking at the photo!
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07/08/2002 08:58:28 PM · #38 |
I will say this one more time, in a different way, ok as a question.
If a photo supposed to communicate something to the viewer, and does not convey it's message, is it a successful photograph?
I say no. Now, I am not saying all photographs have to have messages, but...
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07/08/2002 09:11:30 PM · #39 |
I say yes -- as long as it conveys some message. The problem with the challenge format is that we've been conditioned, by our reading of the challenge, to simultaneously accept some messages while excluding others.
The arguments about "Fear" show this perfectly -- is it supposed to inspire fear in the viewer, is it supposed to inspire fear in the photographer, is it supposed to show someone/something afraid in the photo, is it supposed to embody/interpret/exemplify a kind of fear. Some people are dead set on one specific subset of that challenge topic. If I look at a photo and am thoroughly convinced that it must frighten me in order to convey the appropriate message, while the photographer taking the photo thought they were supposed to exemplify a kind of fear -- then I'm going to miss the message. That's not necessarily the photographer's fault, it's more likely to be mine.
I read and reread the challenge topic over and over again. I try to make sure I get every single nuance. Then I go vote and see photos that I can't see as meeting a challenge. I'd guess in at least most of those cases, the photographer believed they'd conveyed an appropriate message, whether I see it or not.
So, short and sweet, I don't think it's necessarily the photographer's fault. It's quite possibly the viewer's -- especially in the context of this site.
Then again, I also think that sometimes photographers simply miss the boat -- so call me a hypocrite if you'd like. *grin*
Originally posted by Zeissman:
I will say this one more time, in a different way, ok as a question.
If a photo supposed to communicate something to the viewer, and does not convey it's message, is it a successful photograph?
I say no. Now, I am not saying all photographs have to have messages, but...
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07/08/2002 09:17:36 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by hokie:
'This one might take a little more thought. Photograph your best interpretation of 'Fear' in any shape or form."
I think people are reading more into the challenge than what the challenge actually said.
It didn't say what scares you..not YOUR fear..just the emotion fear in whatever form you can capture it...pretty wide open to me :-)
I agree Hokie, the challenge is to convey an interpretation of fear and I think that some of the photos this week have done an outstanding job of that in addition to being technically very good too. Some gave me a hard time figuring out just what they were conveying, presumeably fear, but possibly pain or sorrow. I try to be open minded and I really appreciate creativity in an entry. Asphalt Mirage is still one of my all time favorites for that reason :-) |
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07/09/2002 06:10:48 AM · #41 |
Worse than I feared sums up this thread as a whole.
This is a joke that people are so anal about analyzing the topic. Its already past the submission point and people are discussing what and what shouldnât be submitted or that theyâre not going to rate something high âI donât think this meets the challenge because bla bla blaâ.
We should have a 10 week (still may not be enough time for some of you) challenge topic submission process so people can figure out the challenge requirements. This is really annoying that people are debating this after people submitted their photos.
If all you feel a picture doesnât meet the qualifications then request it to be disqualified. If its not disqualified it meets the freaking requirements for the challenge so vote accordingly!!!!
Jesus Christ I didnt realize this place was a High School Cafeteria.
Ed
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07/09/2002 06:17:38 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by eddy:
Jesus Christ I didnt realize this place was a High School Cafeteria.
Food fight!!!!
oh hey, when are we going to have a Food challenge : )
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07/09/2002 07:53:47 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by chariot:
The problem I'm having is what do I do with pictures title such as "Fearless" or "No Fear". The challenge was FEAR not LACK OF FEAR!!!! How the hell do I rate these?!
When the challenge is named "Fear" then this does not mean every photo actually has to show this emotion. Whether a photo meets the challenge or not is whether it is _related_ to the topic, not if it's exactly showing it. So showing the intended absence of something is totally valid for me, thus I submitted a photo of someone being not afraid of doing someting. Never thought that this would be a question.
I think this leaves more room for creativity to the photographer and I consider diversity a good thing. It would be kind of boring when there were 100 shots of spiders in this challenge ;-)
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07/09/2002 07:55:36 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by Jean:
Most of the voters seem to have missed the point of what they must vote for. The photographer was supposed to capture HIS interpretation of his fear in WHATEVER SHAPE OF FORM IT IS. So if a spider scares him to death, its his interpretation of fear. Don't knock him down just because YOU aren't scared of it. Do give some credit to the photograph itself, there are some good ones there. Remember they have depicted what scares them, whether its a spider, sea creature or police boat.
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07/09/2002 08:01:38 AM · #45 |
I feel like everyone has a fear of something weither its a spider or the cops..All photos reflect on some sort of fear..May be I missed the point too..I dont have a fear of bulls, but maybe the bull has a fear of me..I will agree this one was a tough one to judge..You have to look at the photo more then one way..but I still enjoy it..
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07/09/2002 08:05:34 AM · #46 |
Youguys think this one was hard to judge, wait till you have to judge the open challange!..hee hee cant wait...
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07/09/2002 08:10:12 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by Jenguin:
I submitted something very last minute and now i'm paying for it. It was poorly done and apparently everyone else thinks so too.
This is basically the boat I'm in. I did a lot of traveling last week and then when I came back, I had relatives in town that I had to entertain all weekend, so there was no time to really do any of the serious ideas I had in mind.
But I did have a grab shot I took in Salem, MA, where I was last week that seemed to fit. (Mine was of something intended to be 'scary').
Unfortunately, I was using a lesser camera than my usual, and when I used a 100% crop from the photo, the graininess and poor optics of this camera's imager were painfully apparent. However, I didn't think people really cared as much about that; now I realize that they really do : ) . .
This is my worst scoring photo ever : ).. oh well, i'm sure I'll live.
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07/09/2002 08:21:49 AM · #48 |
I wonder how much the quality of entries is affected by the fact that this was a holiday week in the US? It seems that a lot of people did not have much time.
I am reading a lot of these arguements, and it seems like a lot of people actually feel the same way, but are expressing it differently
I can only vote on a photo based on how it affects me, how well I think it was shot, the amount of effort put into it, and it's creativity.
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07/09/2002 08:25:43 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by stephan:
Originally posted by chariot:
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The problem I'm having is what do I do with pictures title such as "Fearless" or "No Fear". The challenge was FEAR not LACK OF FEAR!!!! How the hell do I rate these?!
...showing the intended absence of something is totally valid for me, thus I submitted a photo of someone being not afraid of doing someting. Never thought that this would be a question.
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Maybe a title like "Facing Fear" or "Overcoming Fear" would have helped people see how a "negative" image could relate to the topic. |
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07/09/2002 08:45:42 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Maybe a title like "Facing Fear" or "Overcoming Fear" would have helped people see how a "negative" image could relate to the topic.
Actually I thought about that, but I'm no friend of titles which are too direct and prod people to the meaning. If the viewer is not willing to think a while about the photo then that's sad.
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