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 06/19/2010 07:15:33 PM · #26
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
He is the worst thing that has happened to this country in the 20th and 21st century.


Quite right. Bring back Nixon i say!!


Hey I never have had a problem with Nixon. He is coated with gold compared to where we are now.....Oh and Ray, I was talking politics I understand that Katrina and this gulf oil spill are major problems. As far as policies and politics go, Obama has not been a good president.

All I have to say is "Can we afford Barrack Obama?"
 06/19/2010 09:42:35 PM · #27
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
He is the worst thing that has happened to this country in the 20th and 21st century.


Quite right. Bring back Nixon i say!!


Hey I never have had a problem with Nixon.


Well, i would be surprised if you did considering that you were, um, minus 3 years old when he was President.

I mean, i was only 2 but i can remember even at that age thinking he was stitched up.
 06/20/2010 07:30:25 AM · #28
Well...I happen to be old enough to remember President Nixon and what I remember most are the Watergate case and his "I am not a crook" comment. As for President Obama, one must consider the fact that he inherited some rather huge problems from the previous administration.

Ray

Message edited by author 2010-06-20 11:30:34.
 06/20/2010 10:03:30 AM · #29
It's an odd thing, free speech. It always surprises me how much darkness it delivers along with the light.
It surprises me how stupidity can go so far unchecked, when it begins to seriously jeopardize the very liberties it claims.
How can a civilized society function -never mind flourish- when the uninformed obstruct foresight and compassion; when the incapable impede the business of the able?

Message edited by author 2010-06-20 17:54:40.
 06/20/2010 10:24:49 AM · #30
Originally posted by scalvert:
...

The government doesn't have the expertise or equipment to deal with the leak, and spending taxpayer money on the problem is presumably out of the question given your complaint above. So how would you have handled it? [/quote]

I know you didn't ask me, but...... I'd pop a 20KT tactical nuke at the well head.
 06/20/2010 10:39:36 AM · #31
Originally posted by zeuszen:
It's an odd thing, free speech. It always surprises me how much darkness it delivers along with the light.
It surprises me how stupidity can go so far unchecked, when it begins to seriously jeopardize the very liberties it claims.
How can a civilized society function -never mind flourish- when the uninformed obstruct foresight and compassion; when the incapable impede the the business of the able?

I demand you write some kind of book.
 06/20/2010 10:47:15 AM · #32
Originally posted by zeuszen:
It's an odd thing, free speech. It always surprises me how much darkness it delivers along with the light.
It surprises me how stupidity can go so far unchecked, when it begins to seriously jeopardize the very liberties it claims.
How can a civilized society function -never mind flourish- when the uninformed obstruct foresight and compassion; when the incapable impede the the business of the able?


What were you drinking or smoking when you wrote this?
I think I want some.....
 06/20/2010 11:24:11 AM · #33
It isn't him being a Muslim that would be the problem I see with Obama. I have no reservations that he is secretly in cahoots with radical Islam. It's his view of Social Justice: That at some point a particular person has made 'enough' money. He wants to spread the wealth around without merit and I believe seeks to do this through 'social justice'. It's just code for Socialism. Socialism may be a fine Ideal but does not work very well. I don't want the United States to even lean towards socialism. That is my entire problem with our President and his Administration. I don't want the United States to be equal to every other country. I have great pride in my country and what we have been able to accomplish and I want this country to continue to be a leader in the world. Socialist policies do not lead to excellence but rather mediocrity because excellence isn't rewarded as highly. After all at some point no matter how excellent you are at what you do you have made enough money. It Doesn't lead to exceptional excellence. It doesn't lead to the United States remaining a leader in the world.
 06/20/2010 11:37:34 AM · #34
Originally posted by FireBird:
Originally posted by scalvert:
The government doesn't have the expertise or equipment to deal with the leak, and spending taxpayer money on the problem is presumably out of the question given your complaint above. So how would you have handled it?

I know you didn't ask me, but...... I'd pop a 20KT tactical nuke at the well head.

"A nuclear blast would not fuse the pipe under the cooling effect of water but rather would create a crater and would make it impossible to control the flow."
 06/20/2010 12:21:49 PM · #35
Originally posted by dponlyme:
It isn't him being a Muslim that would be the problem I see with Obama. I have no reservations that he is secretly in cahoots with radical Islam. It's his view of Social Justice: That at some point a particular person has made 'enough' money. He wants to spread the wealth around without merit and I believe seeks to do this through 'social justice'. It's just code for Socialism. Socialism may be a fine Ideal but does not work very well. I don't want the United States to even lean towards socialism. That is my entire problem with our President and his Administration. I don't want the United States to be equal to every other country. I have great pride in my country and what we have been able to accomplish and I want this country to continue to be a leader in the world. Socialist policies do not lead to excellence but rather mediocrity because excellence isn't rewarded as highly. After all at some point no matter how excellent you are at what you do you have made enough money. It Doesn't lead to exceptional excellence. It doesn't lead to the United States remaining a leader in the world.


Your country, and the rest of the world will have no choice but to accept socialism, maybe not in its current form but you will have to come to terms with what you call socialism. You need to erase your idea of what socialism is because of government's futile attempts to implement it in the past. Mussolini's socialism isn't what people have in mind when they mention socialism. Get with the times.

Why is it so important for the US to be a leader in the world? What will change in your life if the US becomes a third or fourth power after China, India, Pakistan and Russia?
 06/20/2010 12:38:11 PM · #36
never mind.

Message edited by author 2010-06-20 16:41:51.
 06/20/2010 01:09:22 PM · #37
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
All I have to say is "Can we afford Barrack Obama?"


Actually, the very seriously important question is, can we afford another Republican administration? I've been sitting here trying to think of one policy that Obama has pursued that is directly responsible for any of the messes and crises that we now face, and I haven't been able to come up with one. If you're really concerned about the state of our economy, you shouldn't be clamoring for more deregulation and more corporate control. For all of Obama's faults and weaknesses, and I believe he has plenty of them, I would not trade his administration for the one we just booted out, or another one like it. What does your ideology or your political approach offer in the way of solutions to our current problems? Haven't your ideas been tried and proved failures?
 06/20/2010 01:31:35 PM · #38
Originally posted by FireBird:
Originally posted by scalvert:
...

The government doesn't have the expertise or equipment to deal with the leak, and spending taxpayer money on the problem is presumably out of the question given your complaint above. So how would you have handled it?


I know you didn't ask me, but...... I'd pop a 20KT tactical nuke at the well head. [/quote]

I'm inclined to believe you. I'd prefer to think it was a joke, but what with the general image of divisive, aggressive idiocy that caricatures 'Americans' for those of us who are not, it's really hard to see it.

With regard to the video thing that is linked to in the original post, and the post as well, which combine to imply that Obama is Muslim and that that is a bad thing:
It is divisive, aggressive and idiotic.
 06/20/2010 02:40:01 PM · #39
Originally posted by scalvert:
,
"A nuclear blast would not fuse the pipe under the cooling effect of water but rather would create a crater and would make it impossible to control the flow."


I knew I could count on you. You just can't seem to resist. You're almost as good as google. LOL

Cooling affect of water. That's remarkable funny.
 06/20/2010 02:44:32 PM · #40
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by zeuszen:
It's an odd thing, free speech. It always surprises me how much darkness it delivers along with the light.
It surprises me how stupidity can go so far unchecked, when it begins to seriously jeopardize the very liberties it claims.
How can a civilized society function -never mind flourish- when the uninformed obstruct foresight and compassion; when the incapable impede the the business of the able?

I demand you write some kind of book.


yep he is very gifted with words. He should write a book or two.
06/20/2010 03:27:55 PM · #41
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
It isn't him being a Muslim that would be the problem I see with Obama. I have no reservations that he is secretly in cahoots with radical Islam. It's his view of Social Justice: That at some point a particular person has made 'enough' money. He wants to spread the wealth around without merit and I believe seeks to do this through 'social justice'. It's just code for Socialism. Socialism may be a fine Ideal but does not work very well. I don't want the United States to even lean towards socialism. That is my entire problem with our President and his Administration. I don't want the United States to be equal to every other country. I have great pride in my country and what we have been able to accomplish and I want this country to continue to be a leader in the world. Socialist policies do not lead to excellence but rather mediocrity because excellence isn't rewarded as highly. After all at some point no matter how excellent you are at what you do you have made enough money. It Doesn't lead to exceptional excellence. It doesn't lead to the United States remaining a leader in the world.


Your country, and the rest of the world will have no choice but to accept socialism, maybe not in its current form but you will have to come to terms with what you call socialism. You need to erase your idea of what socialism is because of government's futile attempts to implement it in the past. Mussolini's socialism isn't what people have in mind when they mention socialism. Get with the times.

Why is it so important for the US to be a leader in the world? What will change in your life if the US becomes a third or fourth power after China, India, Pakistan and Russia?


I truly hope that you are wrong. Please elaborate on why you think that everyone will have to accept socialism. If governments have produced nothing but futile attempts at socialism then why will they be successful now? I personally like tried and true. The best economic system in the world is capitalism. It has produced more wealth for more people than any other. It works. It certainly needs tweaking at times but not on the scale that Obama and his administration are seeking to bring about. Obama is not tweaking. He is attempting to destroy the essence of what has brought about great accomplishments, discoveries, inventions and like I have said more wealth for more people than any other. There is a reason they call this the land of opportunity. I don't want it to be the land of the government, by the government and for the government. I don't want the government to micromanage my life or my children's lives. If we get to the point that we are third or fourth in power and influence in the world then I am quite sure there would be quite a lot in my life that will be affected as a result. The health of my government is key to being able to provide what government should provide. This would include national defense,law enforcement,firefighters/emergency response,infrastructure,safety net(hand up and not never ending handouts) and I'm sure a few other things. It shouldn't give a rats ass about how much food I eat or if I smoke cigarettes,wear a seatbelt or care if I have health insurance or not. None of their business. I don't care if everyone in the US is 300 lbs it is still none of the governments business. It's personal choice. The less the government has a say in what I do the better even if my life is shorter as a result. Freedom. It's what many have died for and I'm not willing to give it up so easily and I feel that when the November elections come we will see what the will of the people is. Right now it is still possible for the people to take control and correct what has been done. I pray they do.
 06/20/2010 03:59:04 PM · #42
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
It isn't him being a Muslim that would be the problem I see with Obama. I have no reservations that he is secretly in cahoots with radical Islam. It's his view of Social Justice: That at some point a particular person has made 'enough' money. He wants to spread the wealth around without merit and I believe seeks to do this through 'social justice'. It's just code for Socialism. Socialism may be a fine Ideal but does not work very well. I don't want the United States to even lean towards socialism. That is my entire problem with our President and his Administration. I don't want the United States to be equal to every other country. I have great pride in my country and what we have been able to accomplish and I want this country to continue to be a leader in the world. Socialist policies do not lead to excellence but rather mediocrity because excellence isn't rewarded as highly. After all at some point no matter how excellent you are at what you do you have made enough money. It Doesn't lead to exceptional excellence. It doesn't lead to the United States remaining a leader in the world.


Your country, and the rest of the world will have no choice but to accept socialism, maybe not in its current form but you will have to come to terms with what you call socialism. You need to erase your idea of what socialism is because of government's futile attempts to implement it in the past. Mussolini's socialism isn't what people have in mind when they mention socialism. Get with the times.

Why is it so important for the US to be a leader in the world? What will change in your life if the US becomes a third or fourth power after China, India, Pakistan and Russia?


I truly hope that you are wrong. Please elaborate on why you think that everyone will have to accept socialism. If governments have produced nothing but futile attempts at socialism then why will they be successful now? I personally like tried and true. The best economic system in the world is capitalism. It has produced more wealth for more people than any other. It works. It certainly needs tweaking at times but not on the scale that Obama and his administration are seeking to bring about. Obama is not tweaking. He is attempting to destroy the essence of what has brought about great accomplishments, discoveries, inventions and like I have said more wealth for more people than any other. There is a reason they call this the land of opportunity. I don't want it to be the land of the government, by the government and for the government. I don't want the government to micromanage my life or my children's lives. If we get to the point that we are third or fourth in power and influence in the world then I am quite sure there would be quite a lot in my life that will be affected as a result. The health of my government is key to being able to provide what government should provide. This would include national defense,law enforcement,firefighters/emergency response,infrastructure,safety net(hand up and not never ending handouts) and I'm sure a few other things. It shouldn't give a rats ass about how much food I eat or if I smoke cigarettes,wear a seatbelt or care if I have health insurance or not. None of their business. I don't care if everyone in the US is 300 lbs it is still none of the governments business. It's personal choice. The less the government has a say in what I do the better even if my life is shorter as a result. Freedom. It's what many have died for and I'm not willing to give it up so easily and I feel that when the November elections come we will see what the will of the people is. Right now it is still possible for the people to take control and correct what has been done. I pray they do.


Well said.
 06/20/2010 03:59:50 PM · #43
Originally posted by dponlyme:
...what government should provide. This would include national defense,law enforcement,firefighters/emergency response,infrastructure,safety net(hand up and not never ending handouts) and I'm sure a few other things.

Hello? That's socialism. Without it, people would be buying these services from private contractors.
 06/20/2010 04:30:38 PM · #44
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
...what government should provide. This would include national defense,law enforcement,firefighters/emergency response,infrastructure,safety net(hand up and not never ending handouts) and I'm sure a few other things.

Hello? That's socialism. Without it, people would be buying these services from private contractors.


So in your view if a government exists and has any function at all that it is socialist in nature? Obviously not. Where do you draw the line. I draw it way before anything that approaches socialism by my definition.
 06/20/2010 05:01:48 PM · #45
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
...what government should provide. This would include national defense,law enforcement,firefighters/emergency response,infrastructure,safety net(hand up and not never ending handouts) and I'm sure a few other things.

Hello? That's socialism. Without it, people would be buying these services from private contractors.


So in your view if a government exists and has any function at all that it is socialist in nature? Obviously not. Where do you draw the line. I draw it way before anything that approaches socialism by my definition.


I have some serious reservations that you even understand the very basic premise of what socialism is. As it relates to your comment regarding the benefits of capitalism and how is has benefited the masses, you might be interested in or This or This...it really does show who really is in charge.

Ray

Message edited by author 2010-06-20 21:08:50.
 06/20/2010 05:08:03 PM · #46
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
...what government should provide. This would include national defense,law enforcement,firefighters/emergency response,infrastructure,safety net(hand up and not never ending handouts) and I'm sure a few other things.

Hello? That's socialism. Without it, people would be buying these services from private contractors.


So in your view if a government exists and has any function at all that it is socialist in nature? Obviously not. Where do you draw the line. I draw it way before anything that approaches socialism by my definition.


I have some serious reservations that you even understand the very basic premise of what socialism is. As it relates to your comment regarding the benefits of capitalism and how is has benefited the masses, you might be interested in This[/url or [url=//www.rogerwendell.com/wealth.html]This...it really does show who really is in charge.

Ray


Yup, some people actually work for their money. What a concept!! Some folks from countries cited in that article actually come over here legally and make a fortune. HHHmmmmm.
 06/20/2010 05:10:30 PM · #47
Originally posted by dponlyme:
So in your view if a government exists and has any function at all that it is socialist in nature? Obviously not. Where do you draw the line. I draw it way before anything that approaches socialism by my definition.

No, you don't. Your examples are all collectively owned by the people and administered by the government for the good of all. Sorry.
 06/20/2010 05:13:51 PM · #48
Originally posted by kawesttex:


Yup, some people actually work for their money. What a concept!! Some folks from countries cited in that article actually come over here legally and make a fortune. HHHmmmmm.


Yes, some people do make fortunes...unfortunately on the backs of people just like you and me. Tell me you honestly believe that those people that were bailed out by the US taxpayers actually earned those millions in bonuses. Tell me why it is that is always the sons and daughters of the poor that end up as canon fodder in wars and how it is that the rich get substantially richer when there are wars. Fairness indeed.

Ray
 06/20/2010 05:37:28 PM · #49
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
So in your view if a government exists and has any function at all that it is socialist in nature? Obviously not. Where do you draw the line. I draw it way before anything that approaches socialism by my definition.

No, you don't. Your examples are all collectively owned by the people and administered by the government for the good of all. Sorry.


What function then does government serve at all that isn't socialist in your view? or are you saying that government by it's very nature is socialist? y

edit to add this comment from the linked article--

The author really needs to define 'socialist' as he labels everything the federal government does as socialist. The real truth is that most federal tasks such as implementing a national road system or waterway systems were done to foster competition and enhance individuals' abilities to compete across state boundaries. The author seems to be letting his personal ideology get in the way of historical facts.

February 28, 2010

Message edited by author 2010-06-20 21:44:06.
 06/20/2010 05:43:24 PM · #50
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by kawesttex:


Yup, some people actually work for their money. What a concept!! Some folks from countries cited in that article actually come over here legally and make a fortune. HHHmmmmm.


Yes, some people do make fortunes...unfortunately on the backs of people just like you and me. Tell me you honestly believe that those people that were bailed out by the US taxpayers actually earned those millions in bonuses. Tell me why it is that is always the sons and daughters of the poor that end up as canon fodder in wars and how it is that the rich get substantially richer when there are wars. Fairness indeed.

Ray


My family has served many years in the military, well over 120 years, which has maintained the freedom of speech and all other freedoms afforded in this country. I didn't make much while in the military but I wasn't looking to get rich. Socialist ideas are what identified companies to big to fail. If a company fails, whether on the backs of others or not, it should be allowed to fail for bad business practices. It shouldn't survive on government subsidies, do you drive a GM product? How about a Hudson (I don't think they got a bailout) (Auto manufacturers used as an example). If things continue in the direction they are going we will all have to watch what we say. Sounds like something I have heard and read about other societies.
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