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05/28/2002 11:03:22 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by chariot:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
[i]I wouldn't go as far as to say that Macs are *better* than PCs for graphics design or not... someone explain to me *why* a Mac is better... I'm ignert...
if you look at top PC to top Mac, mac will win. You also get more support on Mac and the majority of the Art community use Macs. Besides that the two machines are comparable. Photoshop on Mac and PC are identical except for the appearance of the interface (everything is still in the same place).
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Top mac will win what? Is it faster than the top PC? If photoshop is identical on Mac and PC, what difference does it make where the support is coming from and what platform they are using?
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05/28/2002 11:10:22 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by chariot:
[i]Originally posted by jmsetzler:
[i]I wouldn't go as far as to say that Macs are *better* than PCs for graphics design or not... someone explain to me *why* a Mac is better... I'm ignert...
if you look at top PC to top Mac, mac will win. You also get more support on Mac and the majority of the Art community use Macs. Besides that the two machines are comparable. Photoshop on Mac and PC are identical except for the appearance of the interface (everything is still in the same place).
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Top mac will win what? Is it faster than the top PC? If photoshop is identical on Mac and PC, what difference does it make where the support is coming from and what platform they are using?
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You'll never get an answer good enough to satisfy any side....I think it's just a personal preference. I just know that I've worked on both a PC and a Mac, I hated the Mac when I first found out I had to use one in school. Probably for the same reasons most PC users hate them...because they have never used one. I fell in love after about 1 month and I wouldn't go back. It's just easier for me. After four years of using one, I don't even know windows now. And it's just as frustrating for a Mac user to think about using a PC as it is for a PC user to think about using a Mac. It's a personal thing. :)
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05/28/2002 11:13:38 AM · #53 |
I think the Mac is a great computer too.. I just wanted to know why it is better than a PC for graphics applications.. I keep hearing it but never knew why... if it's just personal preference, that is reason enuff.. :)
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05/28/2002 11:15:36 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I wouldn't go as far as to say that Macs are *better* than PCs for graphics design or not... someone explain to me *why* a Mac is better... I'm ignert...
Somebody planted an idea in the heads of graphic artists in the early eighties that Mac's were better for design and that perception just will not go away. In today's design market the PC is becoming more and more accepted, but they will never be regarded as superior.
Personally, I have put my PC up against the Mac at work and it is far better. |
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05/28/2002 11:15:41 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by chariot:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Top mac will win what? Is it faster than the top PC? If photoshop is identical on Mac and PC, what difference does it make where the support is coming from and what platform they are using?
This quite quickly gets to be a silly discussion. There is a general tendency for the most recent graphics/ art type software to appear on the Mac first. This becomes a self-enforcing thing, as because most graphics software is on the mac, the next one gets written for that market.
It certainly isn''t because of any technical superiority that the Mac has. In fact, graphics design people would be about the last group I''d want to be picking the best technical solutions for me for computing power. The mac is popular in that community for a couple of reasons:
1/ it has been heavily marketed towards that group
2/ it is designed to be simple
3/ it comes in different colours (see 1 above)
It isn''t because it is technically faster. If that was the real requirement people would be using unix boxes and high-end servers where the real power is.
Obdisclosure: I''m sitting in an office with the PowerPC design team, so I should be biased in favour of Macs anyway. We spend quite a lot of time with Adobe making sure that photoshop is highly optimised towards the Mac hardware, which is also another reason for any apparent performance improvements over typical ''Wintel'' versions. It isn''t that the Mac is generally better than the PC, just that photoshop is tuned to make the most out of the Mac in the first instance.
* This message has been edited by the author on 5/28/2002 3:15:56 PM. |
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05/28/2002 11:18:15 AM · #56 |
Welcome back Gordon :)
where have you been hiding lately?
:)
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05/28/2002 11:20:13 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Welcome back Gordon :)
where have you been hiding lately?
Chicago
Been working too much and playing too hard to get much photography done. Still looking busy for the next month or so too. |
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05/28/2002 11:23:10 AM · #58 |
As long as you are getting plenty of play time :) Play time is a good thing... I hope you enjoyed yer trip to the windy city... I try to avoid Chicago when possible.. lol.. I have to fly through there most of the time when I go to Peoria, IL. I have found an alternate route through Atlanta that looks promising though :)
Cheers
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05/28/2002 11:38:16 AM · #59 |
good god, what have i done. forget i said anything.
selective color with curves, and image calculations: erm.
//fuck.org/~jon/photos/dpc/testpattern/
* This message has been edited by the author on 5/28/2002 3:39:21 PM. |
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05/28/2002 11:40:23 AM · #60 |
as a person who has had 5 macs in my home (currently there are 5) and uses windows 2000 at work every single day, i can unequivocally state that the adobe apps are absolutely identical on both the mac and the pc.
i also will say that i just bought my first new computer in a long time, and it's a maxed-out toshiba laptop running win xp : ) ..
why? because i feel like i supported apple so much and for so long and so passionately, too, and now, when it counts, their comparable product is so much more expensive that i can't afford it. i wouldnt be getting any more for my $ if I spent it, so I just couldnt justify it. i could remain irrationally faithful but then I'd just be hurting myself.
plus, after using win 2k every day, ive really come to feel that the multitasking on this platform is smoother. dont shoot for me saying that, but try launching a program on your mac and then doing something else *while* the program is launching. you can't. also try and see if your mp3 playback doesnt stutter while doing this. it does. maybe os x is better (im sure it is), but the programs arent there. so for now, this makes the most sense for me.
others' mileage may vary .. this is only my opinion borne from my [admittedly extensive] experience ; ) |
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05/28/2002 11:49:07 AM · #61 |
| amen. thank god for dual processor systems - i can run winamp while compiling a cstrike bsp (they take hours and radiosity calc'ing uses 99% cpu the whole 0.75-1.5hrs it runs). and yes, i think i only felt more comfortable with ps on mac because i had to use it more often and just had gotten used to it. one thing i didnt get used to is my shit crashing every day. win2k doesn't do that to me. |
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05/28/2002 01:44:30 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by jonathans:
one thing i didnt get used to is my shit crashing every day. win2k doesn't do that to me.
Then you are a lucky man. My work machine crashes at least once a day. Still, it's an improvement over Win98.
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05/28/2002 01:48:50 PM · #63 |
my big issue with win2k is this: whenever I open both photoshop and adobe golive, both big resource intensive apps - my tcp ip stack gets clobbered and i lose all network connectivity. this is on a machine with 512MB of ram and has happened with all 3 win2k machines on which i've tried it.
xp doesnt seem to have this problem and since i need to have those 2 apps open together most of the time i like it much better. |
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05/28/2002 02:00:14 PM · #64 |
i had that problem when i first installed win2k server and professional. neither seemed to work. i upgraded to p3 800's and 768mb of ram, and i havent had that problem anymore. and im running server again, too.
i honestly never figured out what it was. maybe tweaking photoshop to use less memory helps. also, change the scratchdisks to a non-system non-boot partition. that couldn't hurt. |
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