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 11/02/2010 02:00:48 PM · #76
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by farfel53:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by farfel53:
Do you guys read the papers at all? Do you watch news programs that report news? Do you know anything about the tea party movement other than that you hate Sarah Palin?


The tea party is nothing new. Just a more radical version of the republicans. I know the one from Delaware is such a bad joke it's pathetic.

eta: Yes I voted. That way I can complain when I want to.


No, not new, and not perfect, and largely conservative, but intently opposed to having our voices ignored by those elected to serve us...Democrat OR Republican. Some of the candidates AND incumbents on both sides are pretty pathetic, too, don't you think?


The question I have is this... Other than being anti everything that currently exists in the political realm, what exactly does the Tea Party stand for. I am confident that a significant number of the American population is keenly aware that things are amiss, but I have yet to hear any Tea Party representative proffer any valid counter points on how to rectify the situation.

As an aside, another thing I would also love to know is... Just how is this group generating funds... or should I simply assume that they are getting it from the same types our sources as the two establishes parties.

Just curious,

Ray


Here's where I see them leading us...



11/02/2010 02:20:34 PM · #77
It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

--Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)
 11/02/2010 02:26:59 PM · #78
Originally posted by GeneralE:
It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

--Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)


Are you suggesting anarchy as a solution? ;)

Message edited by author 2010-11-02 18:27:09.
 11/02/2010 02:41:01 PM · #79
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

--Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)


Are you suggesting anarchy as a solution? ;)


I would say that's your best bet. In fact, the sooner you lot just descend back into some wild west/Mad Max type thing the better. Just remember to film as much as possible so the rest of the world can watch it on YouTube please. The United States of Thunderdome would be a crowd pleaser in Europe i can tell you.
 11/02/2010 02:55:55 PM · #80
Cory, when I feel that disillusionment I vote third party. I voted for Nader in 1996. Since then, Republicans have been so monstrous that I've been forced to vote Democratic. And now I have the Tea Party to counter. It's a conspiracy, I tell ya.
 11/02/2010 03:05:27 PM · #81
Originally posted by RayEthier:

As an aside, another thing I would also love to know is... Just how is this group generating funds... or should I simply assume that they are getting it from the same types our sources as the two establishes parties.

Just curious,

Ray


Ray - you must have read the same article I did on campaign financing.

Still, no matter who you voted for, or why, I'm glad those eligible to vote in the USA are doing so today.
 11/02/2010 03:08:37 PM · #82
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

--Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)


Are you suggesting anarchy as a solution? ;)

Contrary to the popular view, anarchism does not mean that there are no rules, only that there are no rulers. It is truly government of, by and for the people. Check out Orwell's Homage to Catalonia for an example of how people were able to govern themselves, even in the face of war.
 11/02/2010 03:22:27 PM · #83
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

--Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)


Are you suggesting anarchy as a solution? ;)

Contrary to the popular view, anarchism does not mean that there are no rules, only that there are no rulers. It is truly government of, by and for the people. Check out Orwell's Homage to Catalonia for an example of how people were able to govern themselves, even in the face of war.


I'm aware, so you are indeed suggesting that the government is largely unneeded! I mostly agree FWIW, only problem is how to remove the leeches without killing the host.
 11/02/2010 03:24:55 PM · #84
Originally posted by posthumous:
Cory, when I feel that disillusionment I vote third party. I voted for Nader in 1996. Since then, Republicans have been so monstrous that I've been forced to vote Democratic. And now I have the Tea Party to counter. It's a conspiracy, I tell ya.


I used to do that, until I realized that I was sorely in the minority, and therefore it was again a waste of my time. The great news is that I feel more people are starting to come around, I just have serious doubts that we will ever reach a critical mass.
 11/02/2010 04:22:58 PM · #85
Originally posted by coryboehne:
... so you are indeed suggesting that the government is largely unneeded! I mostly agree FWIW, only problem is how to remove the leeches without killing the host.

In theory, yes ... in current practice with the world situation as it is, I think some form of representative democracy may have to be the best available solution. However, unlike the Libertarian/TP types who believe in the right to unlimited greed, the type of self-governement I'd see working is one in which there was general agreement that there has to be some commitment to mutual service and limits on personal prosperity/power -- no one gets to have $6000 shower curtains while there are still hungry kids in the same city ... real communities rather than just populations.
 11/02/2010 04:24:34 PM · #86
I enjoyed voting so much I did it twice
 11/02/2010 04:27:04 PM · #87
Originally posted by GeneralE:

In theory, yes ... in current practice with the world situation as it is, I think some form of representative democracy may have to be the best available solution. However, unlike the Libertarian/TP types who believe in the right to unlimited greed, the type of self-governement I'd see working is one in which there was general agreement that there has to be some commitment to mutual service and limits on personal prosperity/power -- no one gets to have $6000 shower curtains while there are still hungry kids in the same city ... real communities rather than just populations.


Yup. Very similar to my way of thinking. I'd go for that.
 11/02/2010 04:29:18 PM · #88
I wish voting would go to a 1-10 scale for each candidate, then we could listen to them whine about trolls.
 11/02/2010 04:29:18 PM · #89
Maybe if the good people control everything, everyone will be happy.
 11/02/2010 04:34:29 PM · #90
Originally posted by PapaBob:
I wish voting would go to a 1-10 scale for each candidate, then we could listen to them whine about trolls.

It could be called "Rank Choice Voting" -- wait ... that's what we have now, I forgot ... ;-)

"If God had meant for us to vote, He would have given us candidates." -- Jim Hightower

Message edited by author 2010-11-02 20:35:41.
 11/02/2010 05:13:56 PM · #91
If we can just shrink the government until as Regan put it "it can be drown in a bathtub", Just think how much money could be saved by the corporations and moneyed interests who currently have to buy votes, if they were just allowed to run the country directly.

Wait, isn't that what we had two years ago?

11/02/2010 05:19:14 PM · #92
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:


I would say that's your best bet. In fact, the sooner you lot just descend back into some wild west/Mad Max type thing the better. Just remember to film as much as possible so the rest of the world can watch it on YouTube please. The United States of Thunderdome would be a crowd pleaser in Europe i can tell you.


This post is awesome.

Also, in general, I'd say that anarchy would be great, but it's horribly idealistic. Further, a minimalist government would be great too, with very few laws, but the exceptionally complex nature of our society precludes this, and is exacerbated by the size of our population. Unfortunately, it seems as though government must grow geometrically relative to population to be "effective" at all. I chalk all these unfortunate things up to the fact that humans are only quasi-social. The individualism that we all extol, is, in my opinion, a primary cause to the frustrations that are manifest within government to face the issue.
 11/02/2010 06:03:33 PM · #93
Looking back over the past few administrations, I realize that while I once thought those who believe there is a super-secret, highly-competent cabal that really runs the country were just delusional and paranoid conspiracy theorists, now I think they are just wishful thinkers....

Message edited by author 2010-11-02 22:04:19.
 11/02/2010 06:30:12 PM · #94
I hope all the grasshoppers win. I love bread and circuses!


11/02/2010 07:02:37 PM · #95
Originally posted by Mick:
I hope all the grasshoppers win. I love bread and circuses!


Is this related to Prop 19? ;)
 11/02/2010 07:17:19 PM · #96
Well, all the career politicians are back to work here...I still vote, but nothing changes. : / Meh!
 11/02/2010 08:30:41 PM · #97
Some funny signs from the rally yesterday.
Signs, signs, everywhere signs...
 11/02/2010 09:31:38 PM · #98
Originally posted by chromeydome:
Looking back over the past few administrations, I realize that while I once thought those who believe there is a super-secret, highly-competent cabal that really runs the country were just delusional and paranoid conspiracy theorists, now I think they are just wishful thinkers....

I'm pretty much with ya.... I used to think voting worked before I came to my senses [although it was always a pick the least worst for me... something I noticed after I found myself filling out ballot paper backwards (The US has a different method I know)].... Politicians and especially powerful only seem to be out for themselves and that is IT. Whoever said an honest politician was one that once bought stayed bought... I think is a sad but accurate assessment of where we now are.

The two party system in a lot of "democracies" has basically made a farce of that system of government IMO. What's left apart from party politics & rhetoric is just a popularity contest anyway.

Politicians have a skill I envy in a lot of ways.... Deluding people into thinking you mean something and can relate to them and their needs while talking out both sides of you mouth (and where your sitting for that matter). I just don't see the attraction to any of em....

Besides.... If I don't vote for any of em... I can bitch & moan about all of them... If you vote you made your choice and either won or lost and don't get to complain :-))
 11/02/2010 09:52:52 PM · #99
Looks like Lisa Murkowski is going to win as a write in candidate as the senator from Alaskan after loosing in the Republican primary. Could this be a sign of reason? That when people are given a choice that neither of the parties like, but is moderate and qualified, people will figure out how to spell a difficult name rather than checking a box?
 11/02/2010 11:00:13 PM · #100
I think the more you know about politics, government, etc, the more bitter you become.

I personally like to stay away from all the lies and false promises because it doesn't affect me in a major way. I've lived in america for 14 years and whether it was Clinton, Bush or obama as president, my life, personally has not been affected in any major way. I think if we focus on ourselves and our lives more then "believing and hoping for a better future" we'd see that we, as people can make our lives as decent as we can instead of just hoping for something more. Especially from the government.

I say, live for today, you never know what tomorrow brings, if you want to vote, vote, if you don't, then don't. But focusing too much attention on it just distracts from the beautiful things in life. :)
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