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05/24/2008 08:08:23 AM · #1 |
Read about this one in AfterCapture magazine today. I really like some of the features:
//www.splashup.com
And here's another to check out: //www.picnik.com
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05/24/2008 08:11:40 AM · #2 |
or get yourself a serial hack for CS3......ooops didn't mean to type that out loud... |
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05/24/2008 08:25:14 AM · #3 |
| Or you can try this program GIMP. Have not used it in awhile but seems to always be one step behind photoshop. For the price, free, I don't think you can beat it. |
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05/24/2008 09:01:45 AM · #4 |
Since this thread seems to be becoming a list, I'd like to throw in a mention of Paint.net.
Message edited by author 2008-05-24 13:02:48. |
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05/24/2008 09:06:17 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
or get yourself a serial hack for CS3......ooops didn't mean to type that out loud... |
You mean you didn't want to pay 1000 dollars for that program? odd....
I got cs for free back in the day lol but not cs3. I used to use GIMP and it really works great for the price! |
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05/24/2008 09:13:49 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by Patrick_R:
Originally posted by smardaz:
or get yourself a serial hack for CS3......ooops didn't mean to type that out loud... |
You mean you didn't want to pay 1000 dollars for that program? odd....
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I just used one of my three kids student discount and got an educational version of CS2 ($350 USD), as well as other high end apps..
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05/24/2008 09:29:20 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
Originally posted by Patrick_R:
Originally posted by smardaz:
or get yourself a serial hack for CS3......ooops didn't mean to type that out loud... |
You mean you didn't want to pay 1000 dollars for that program? odd....
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I just used one of my three kids student discount and got an educational version of CS2 ($350 USD), as well as other high end apps.. |
I can't decide who's more evil lol! good idea though! |
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05/24/2008 09:36:10 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
Originally posted by Patrick_R:
Originally posted by smardaz:
or get yourself a serial hack for CS3......ooops didn't mean to type that out loud... |
You mean you didn't want to pay 1000 dollars for that program? odd....
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I just used one of my three kids student discount and got an educational version of CS2 ($350 USD), as well as other high end apps.. |
I always think that if one is going to skirt around the issue and do this, one might as well just get a cracked serial no. anyway, as it's effectively cheating the manufacturer out of income. Just my thoughts on the matter.
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05/24/2008 09:44:31 AM · #9 |
True....
Then in all honesty I think that they really over charge for it. They know that everyone wants it and it really is THE photoediting software... I mean they completely own that market so they charge whatever they want to for it. Makes me sick.... I'd rather get a cracked serial and use the saved money to get a new lense personally! :D |
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05/24/2008 09:50:41 AM · #10 |
Being an academic I get academic software all the time. (whether it is for a class I teach or not.)
I feel no guilt associated with this in the least!
While these companies may lose a little revenue on the academic software, it is not the same as getting the keygen or crack. The company still gets paid.
The margins on software are INSANE!!!!
That $1,000 program has a 70% mark up on it.
Granted, it takes a lot of human hours to create the software packages, but when you look at the profit margins of most major software manufacturers, I feel no guilt at all.
My two cents.
Cheers. |
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05/24/2008 09:55:24 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by mhlambi:
Being an academic I get academic software all the time. (whether it is for a class I teach or not.)
I feel no guilt associated with this in the least!
While these companies may lose a little revenue on the academic software, it is not the same as getting the keygen or crack. The company still gets paid.
The margins on software are INSANE!!!!
That $1,000 program has a 70% mark up on it.
Granted, it takes a lot of human hours to create the software packages, but when you look at the profit margins of most major software manufacturers, I feel no guilt at all.
My two cents.
Cheers. |
Speaking of markup why is it called putting in your two cents when apparently its a penny for your thoughts? what causes the markup?
And see I could see paying 300 for cs3 It's still expensive but not unreasonable.
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05/24/2008 10:04:13 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by mhlambi:
Being an academic I get academic software all the time. (whether it is for a class I teach or not.)
I feel no guilt associated with this in the least!
While these companies may lose a little revenue on the academic software, it is not the same as getting the keygen or crack. The company still gets paid.
The margins on software are INSANE!!!!
That $1,000 program has a 70% mark up on it.
Granted, it takes a lot of human hours to create the software packages, but when you look at the profit margins of most major software manufacturers, I feel no guilt at all.
My two cents.
Cheers. |
Well, you're an academic, so the academic discount is entirely relevant and proper. I have no argument with that at all. My point is that people can abuse the academic discount to end up paying (falsely) a price that they feel that the product is worth, not the price set by the vendor. My point is, solely, that if one is going to do the vendor out of some money, one might as well go the whole hog, as it's essentially fraudulent anyway.
Anyway, if one is talking of margins, perhaps one could mention the markups on wine in restaurants. Perhaps we should order the stuff and then only pay what we feel, not the price on the wine list.
For the avoidance of doubt, I paid the full retail price following the thinking that I've tried to outline above. I don't work for the software companies, have any ties with them or feel any particular allegiance to them.
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05/24/2008 10:05:15 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Mr_Pants:
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
Originally posted by Patrick_R:
Originally posted by smardaz:
or get yourself a serial hack for CS3......ooops didn't mean to type that out loud... |
You mean you didn't want to pay 1000 dollars for that program? odd....
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I just used one of my three kids student discount and got an educational version of CS2 ($350 USD), as well as other high end apps.. |
I always think that if one is going to skirt around the issue and do this, one might as well just get a cracked serial no. anyway, as it's effectively cheating the manufacturer out of income. Just my thoughts on the matter. |
No it's not "cheating" -- this is a perfectly legitimate purchase under Adobe's Educational Pricing program. What would be cheating would be to then use the program to run your graphic design business -- comercial use is prohibited. But if you or one of your kids is in school, you can get deeply discounted Adobe software perfectly legally, and it is then eligible for regular upgrades.
Educational pricing is set by the manufacturer, and they (presumably) will stull make a profit, if not on the immediate sale, thn on future sales. Adobe gets nothing from distribution of "cracked" software.
One method is bargain-hunting, the other is stealing ... |
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05/24/2008 10:09:06 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Mr_Pants:
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
Originally posted by Patrick_R:
Originally posted by smardaz:
or get yourself a serial hack for CS3......ooops didn't mean to type that out loud... |
You mean you didn't want to pay 1000 dollars for that program? odd....
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I just used one of my three kids student discount and got an educational version of CS2 ($350 USD), as well as other high end apps.. |
I always think that if one is going to skirt around the issue and do this, one might as well just get a cracked serial no. anyway, as it's effectively cheating the manufacturer out of income. Just my thoughts on the matter. |
No it's not "cheating" -- this is a perfectly legitimate purchase under Adobe's Educational Pricing program. What would be cheating would be to then use the program to run your graphic design business -- comercial use is prohibited. But if you or one of your kids is in school, you can get deeply discounted Adobe software perfectly legally, and it is then eligible for regular upgrades.
Educational pricing is set by the manufacturer, and they (presumably) will stull make a profit, if not on the immediate sale, thn on future sales. Adobe gets nothing from distribution of "cracked" software.
One method is bargain-hunting, the other is stealing ... |
The way that I understand it is that if the purchase is actually for one of one's kids, then using the program oneself is, in fact, cheating. I see no conflict if one is in education oneself.
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05/24/2008 10:13:32 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Mr_Pants:
The way that I understand it is that if the purchase is actually for one of one's kids, then using the program oneself is, in fact, cheating. I see no conflict if one is in education oneself. |
I feel quite certain that Adobe is expecting the parents to be able to help little Johnny with his homework ... the eligibility starts at Kindergarten -- probably before the kid can spell "pixelization" ... |
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05/24/2008 10:15:12 AM · #16 |
| Photoshop may be "only" $300 or so with a discount, but I obtained Paintshop Pro 11 for $40 by keeping an eye on the sale papers. (The usual shelf price is $79.) 4 Months later, I upgraded to version 12 for another $40, the same way. If I were a pro or used a Mac, I'd probably get Photoshop, but for many of us, there is no need for the expense. |
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05/24/2008 10:16:35 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Mr_Pants:
The way that I understand it is that if the purchase is actually for one of one's kids, then using the program oneself is, in fact, cheating. I see no conflict if one is in education oneself. |
I feel quite certain that Adobe is expecting the parents to be able to help little Johnny with his homework ... the eligibility starts at Kindergarten -- probably before the kid can spell "pixelization" ... |
Yes, but surely that's where the 'allowance' ends; His homework, not his parents' hobby/work.
You should be able to guess by now that I'm trying to justify (partly to myself) paying full-price by choice, based upon this particular point.
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05/24/2008 10:20:25 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by Mr_Pants:
You should be able to guess by now that I'm trying to justify (partly to myself) paying full-price by choice, based upon this particular point. |
Well, you bought a clear conscience and some technical support, and at least one of those is worth a lot! |
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05/24/2008 10:22:46 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Mr_Pants:
You should be able to guess by now that I'm trying to justify (partly to myself) paying full-price by choice, based upon this particular point. |
Well, you bought a clear conscience and some technical support, and at least one of those is worth a lot! |
They both are !
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05/24/2008 10:33:35 AM · #20 |
| i got an upgrade for cs3 from photoshop 7 from b@h for i think around $300.00 |
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05/24/2008 10:56:04 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by Patrick_R:
True....
Then in all honesty I think that they really over charge for it. They know that everyone wants it and it really is THE photoediting software... I mean they completely own that market so they charge whatever they want to for it. Makes me sick.... I'd rather get a cracked serial and use the saved money to get a new lense personally! :D |
So using that brilliant bit of logic, say you became THE photographer to hire, everyone wanted YOU to take their shots, would you charge more, or less? |
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05/24/2008 11:43:01 AM · #22 |
The so-called "mark up" that you're paying is the price that software companies use to pay their software developers, product marketing, support organization, and the typical costs of running/maintaining a company.
If nobody pays the company... they will simply go out of business, and you'll get no more software. Simple cause & effect.
If you don't want to pay for the software, don't use it. Anything else is theft. |
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05/24/2008 11:48:50 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
No it's not "cheating" -- this is a perfectly legitimate purchase under Adobe's Educational Pricing program. What would be cheating would be to then use the program to run your graphic design business -- comercial use is prohibited. |
I don't think this is cheating either. I have the educational version of CS3. (Part time college student)
From the Adobe educational store website:
"What are the restrictions in using education versions of Adobe products?
A customer may only purchase one copy of any product. Education versions of Former Macromedia products only (Studio 8, Dreamweaver, Flash, etc.) are intended for instructional and administrative purposes only and may not be used for any commercial purpose."
Photoshop is not one of the former macromedia products, so there should be no restriction against commercial use. There is nothing contradicting this in the CS3 software license agreement except that you have to qualify for the educational version. |
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05/24/2008 12:00:32 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by EBJones:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
No it's not "cheating" -- this is a perfectly legitimate purchase under Adobe's Educational Pricing program. What would be cheating would be to then use the program to run your graphic design business -- comercial use is prohibited. |
I don't think this is cheating either. |
For those that are in education.
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05/24/2008 12:05:13 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Mr_Pants:
Originally posted by EBJones:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
No it's not "cheating" -- this is a perfectly legitimate purchase under Adobe's Educational Pricing program. What would be cheating would be to then use the program to run your graphic design business -- comercial use is prohibited. |
I don't think this is cheating either. |
For those that are in education. |
True, you do have to qualify for the educational version. I think that buying it for yourself using your kids student status does not really meet the intent here. Also, if I ever stop taking courses (which I kinda hope to do someday. . . ) then I would need to stop using the educational version. |
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